Shenzhen Airlines
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wasinc is very helpful and will tell you what you want to get you to the door. s. turner "fat cat" doesn't really like to deal with pilots he mainly tries to get new contracts and refers all problems to d.ross who sits at home in america and replies to emails every few weeks once the recruitment phase is over. d.ward is flying the line and will try to encourage you and make everything sound great telling you to hang in there and how they are trying to do this and that and bla bla bla... sound all interested and helpful but none of them really do anything other than get you in the door. Then they collect $750 a month from the airline for the 38 pilots they currently have placed there to do nothing but tell you to hang in there and how they are working so hard to make things better. There are other recruitment agencies out there, come to Shenzhen and hang out long enough to talk to the pilots and hear the horror stories about wasinc.
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clarify the pay one more time, please
I'm supposed to go to china for the screening with WAS. tell me about the pay. it is late, okay...do you always get paid? they make use a hongkong bank? can you just send it to another US bank? they say the wiring fees are only 20 bucs. I saw where it was said, "don't try and send money out of china" did I paraphrase wrong?
i can handle late...just want to get paid .....has anyone not been mapid for the previous month's flying?
thanks
joe
i can handle late...just want to get paid .....has anyone not been mapid for the previous month's flying?
thanks
joe
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Thanks so much for the response fly fly. It certainly seems like you have detailed info, which is helpful for someone like me or anyone new looking at the contract. Are you currently at Shenzhen Airlines as well?
No offense, but I guess I still don’t get it. I have worked contracts in the middle east and Africa, and have worked with several different agencies including PARC and Rishworth. I have always felt that they fill a certain need with the airline regarding advertising and recruiting, but don’t have a lot to do with the airline operation, scheduling, etc. It seems like most of the criticism on this forum is based on personal issues and not operational issues.
I have to go back to the really basic questions: “do you get paid on time?” or “is the operation safe?” I know a lot of guys from the US who think that the agency will operate like a union and force the airline to “make things better” but that really isn’t what the environment is like anywhere in the world. They are an agent of the airline and are hired to fill a certain roll. If you expect more than that, you will be disappointed no matter what country it is.
Has WAS or Wasinc (which is it?) done anything specifically to you that affected your pay or benefits? I hear some guys talk about that the agency did this or that to them, but ultimately it seems like the blame for most of those issues around not following the contract can be traced back to the airline. The agency can only try to manage what the airline decides.
I guess for myself I am not so interested in personal issues against individuals at the agency, but more interested in how the airline operation runs and most importantly that I get paid the amount that was promised in my contract for the work I do.
I haven't been at Shenzhen that long but would be very interested in hearing the horror stories that you mentioned. What recruiting agency do you recommend to fly for Shenzhen? Are the contracts the same between them all?
Captain Falcon
No offense, but I guess I still don’t get it. I have worked contracts in the middle east and Africa, and have worked with several different agencies including PARC and Rishworth. I have always felt that they fill a certain need with the airline regarding advertising and recruiting, but don’t have a lot to do with the airline operation, scheduling, etc. It seems like most of the criticism on this forum is based on personal issues and not operational issues.
I have to go back to the really basic questions: “do you get paid on time?” or “is the operation safe?” I know a lot of guys from the US who think that the agency will operate like a union and force the airline to “make things better” but that really isn’t what the environment is like anywhere in the world. They are an agent of the airline and are hired to fill a certain roll. If you expect more than that, you will be disappointed no matter what country it is.
Has WAS or Wasinc (which is it?) done anything specifically to you that affected your pay or benefits? I hear some guys talk about that the agency did this or that to them, but ultimately it seems like the blame for most of those issues around not following the contract can be traced back to the airline. The agency can only try to manage what the airline decides.
I guess for myself I am not so interested in personal issues against individuals at the agency, but more interested in how the airline operation runs and most importantly that I get paid the amount that was promised in my contract for the work I do.
I haven't been at Shenzhen that long but would be very interested in hearing the horror stories that you mentioned. What recruiting agency do you recommend to fly for Shenzhen? Are the contracts the same between them all?
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Hi Joe,
I can tell you I have been here about 6 months. I have never had a late payment nor do I know anyone here who has not been paid for previous month's flying. My payments have always been a few days early. I have heard a few cases where the airline said to show up for training on xx date and then started payroll a few days later, but didnt seem to be the norm.
They do want you to use HSBC, but will send the money anywhere. They pay the transfer fees the first month and then ask you to pay if you don't want to use HSBC. I have my money sent home and it costs me about 30US for the HSBC transfer fee and 10US for my home bank. If you use HSBC in HKG theres no charge at all.
I guess I dont understand all the negativity on this thred. An agent can only do what the airline does. In my experience wasinc was helpful and provides support when/if I need it.
good luck on yr screening,
Peeps
I can tell you I have been here about 6 months. I have never had a late payment nor do I know anyone here who has not been paid for previous month's flying. My payments have always been a few days early. I have heard a few cases where the airline said to show up for training on xx date and then started payroll a few days later, but didnt seem to be the norm.
They do want you to use HSBC, but will send the money anywhere. They pay the transfer fees the first month and then ask you to pay if you don't want to use HSBC. I have my money sent home and it costs me about 30US for the HSBC transfer fee and 10US for my home bank. If you use HSBC in HKG theres no charge at all.
I guess I dont understand all the negativity on this thred. An agent can only do what the airline does. In my experience wasinc was helpful and provides support when/if I need it.
good luck on yr screening,
Peeps
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Self Financied Type Rating
I wonder, if I were to pay for my own type-rating to the airline (say, Shenzhen Airline), will they offer me a job?
Can this work out? Or has anybody done this before?
Can this work out? Or has anybody done this before?
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This all depends on who you get for the interview and sim.
On my interview day we were all selected but the group the previous month only one came through out of 8.
The sim is conducted at a fast pace and so dont let them rush you.Cutting corners may be what sunk those guys as they try to pile on the instructions and failures things can get messy.
Interview more relaxed nothing too technical.
Medical very thorough.
Cinese ATPL....nightmare....
On my interview day we were all selected but the group the previous month only one came through out of 8.
The sim is conducted at a fast pace and so dont let them rush you.Cutting corners may be what sunk those guys as they try to pile on the instructions and failures things can get messy.
Interview more relaxed nothing too technical.
Medical very thorough.
Cinese ATPL....nightmare....
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Hi guys.
Forgive me if this information is already "out there," but I was wondering if anyone could provide some more detail on the recruitment process. Information such as what type of interview you can expect, sim profiles etc. Any feedback is good.
Thanks a lot guys.
Happy landings.
EO
PS I know there is some info above, I was just looking for a little bit more detail. Thanks.
Forgive me if this information is already "out there," but I was wondering if anyone could provide some more detail on the recruitment process. Information such as what type of interview you can expect, sim profiles etc. Any feedback is good.
Thanks a lot guys.
Happy landings.
EO
PS I know there is some info above, I was just looking for a little bit more detail. Thanks.
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I see a lot of companies advertising online for Shenzhen Airlines jobs. I know I've read here that VOR Holdings and WASINC are two. Does anyone have a complete list of companies that hire for Shenzhen so I can contact all of them?
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shenzhen screening
I just did the Shenzhen screening and this is how it went for me
Fly into Hong Kong and take the ferry over to Shekou, WASinc puts you up in a hotel there the first night (they put you up all nights but this is the first night hotel)
First off there is no interview, but I am sure if you act and look like an Ass you will be gone. There are two different medicals checks you will do. The first with Shenzhen. They take blood, urine, and a chest xray. the second is done some days later by the CAAC in either Beijing or Shanghai, it is through. EEG,EKG,ECG, eyes, hearing, ultrasound, yup just like the wife got when preg. they are looking for kidney stones, gall stones, and who knows what else.
I will say this about it, if they find something wrong, they tell you and tell you to go home and get it fixed, they do work with you in their own way.
Second, there is a written test, sometimes you have to fly far away to take it, it just depends where it is being offered when you are there. As far as the test, man, I don't know what to say. It's basically the FAA ATP but with a couple of twists. The questions were english, translated into Chinese and then back, and some of them got funky in all the shifting. Some of the questions are Chinese air law and you have to study the Chinese ATP theory pdf that WAS supplies, have fun, its 395 pages and you need to know it. My test was 40% tech, a lot of weather theory, and some Chinese Air Law, also even simple question can be hard, its easy to determine the available landing length of 25R in LAX but the answers are all in meters.
Third the Sim., while through, is not impossible, but the push and rush as hard as they can. Expect WS, TCAS, V1, Dual Hyd. (one of you will get BG the other GY for you A-320 guys) single engine selected/selected VOR to a missed, dual FCU fail, emer. decent, colapsed rt. main gear on landing, low speed abort. They also do ALL of this to a LARGE crosswind, it's their thing. I was told a lot of their runways are not lined up with local prevailing winds
Fly into Hong Kong and take the ferry over to Shekou, WASinc puts you up in a hotel there the first night (they put you up all nights but this is the first night hotel)
First off there is no interview, but I am sure if you act and look like an Ass you will be gone. There are two different medicals checks you will do. The first with Shenzhen. They take blood, urine, and a chest xray. the second is done some days later by the CAAC in either Beijing or Shanghai, it is through. EEG,EKG,ECG, eyes, hearing, ultrasound, yup just like the wife got when preg. they are looking for kidney stones, gall stones, and who knows what else.
I will say this about it, if they find something wrong, they tell you and tell you to go home and get it fixed, they do work with you in their own way.
Second, there is a written test, sometimes you have to fly far away to take it, it just depends where it is being offered when you are there. As far as the test, man, I don't know what to say. It's basically the FAA ATP but with a couple of twists. The questions were english, translated into Chinese and then back, and some of them got funky in all the shifting. Some of the questions are Chinese air law and you have to study the Chinese ATP theory pdf that WAS supplies, have fun, its 395 pages and you need to know it. My test was 40% tech, a lot of weather theory, and some Chinese Air Law, also even simple question can be hard, its easy to determine the available landing length of 25R in LAX but the answers are all in meters.
Third the Sim., while through, is not impossible, but the push and rush as hard as they can. Expect WS, TCAS, V1, Dual Hyd. (one of you will get BG the other GY for you A-320 guys) single engine selected/selected VOR to a missed, dual FCU fail, emer. decent, colapsed rt. main gear on landing, low speed abort. They also do ALL of this to a LARGE crosswind, it's their thing. I was told a lot of their runways are not lined up with local prevailing winds
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shenzhen system test
Is there a system test at the Shenzhen Interview? If so can anyone give me a idea what systems I should be studying. And does anyone know what parts of Chinese Aviation Law we should concentrate on? Thanks
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thor⋅ough
1.executed without negligence or omissions: a thorough search. 2.complete; perfect; utter: thorough enjoyment. 3.extremely attentive to accuracy and detail; painstaking: a thorough worker; a thorough analysis. 4.having full command or mastery of an art, talent, etc.: a thorough actress. 5.extending or passing through
1.executed without negligence or omissions: a thorough search. 2.complete; perfect; utter: thorough enjoyment. 3.extremely attentive to accuracy and detail; painstaking: a thorough worker; a thorough analysis. 4.having full command or mastery of an art, talent, etc.: a thorough actress. 5.extending or passing through
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The next step is to attend ground school, waiting on a date, there were two other guys that did the interview with me and I do not know what their status is yet.
And, yes NV, I know the difference between thorough and through. But after going to the midnight to 4 am sim., a 1 and a half hour cab ride to HK's airport, 4 hour flight to Tokyo, 12 hrs. to ORD, then 2 more home I was a little foggy while trying to write this on the ground in Chicago before I forgot.
And, yes NV, I know the difference between thorough and through. But after going to the midnight to 4 am sim., a 1 and a half hour cab ride to HK's airport, 4 hour flight to Tokyo, 12 hrs. to ORD, then 2 more home I was a little foggy while trying to write this on the ground in Chicago before I forgot.
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There are lots of companies recruiting for shenzhen airlines.
Here are a few others... Some of then are run by people who have lived in china for 15 years or their whole life!
Air Crew Global
..::CHINA PILOTS LTD - AVIATION CONSULTANTS & PILOTS RECRUITMENT BROKER IN CHINA::..
Huaxun Technology Limited ----HOME
Global Aviation Group
Here are a few others... Some of then are run by people who have lived in china for 15 years or their whole life!
Air Crew Global
..::CHINA PILOTS LTD - AVIATION CONSULTANTS & PILOTS RECRUITMENT BROKER IN CHINA::..
Huaxun Technology Limited ----HOME
Global Aviation Group