Shenzhen Airlines
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Hi All,
I am new to this forum and I am interested in finding any info on Shenzhen Airlines. They are recruiting for B-737-800 Captains and I am one. Understand that there are a small number of expats there now but they are recruiting for growth. Any info would be appreciated.
Thanks
I am new to this forum and I am interested in finding any info on Shenzhen Airlines. They are recruiting for B-737-800 Captains and I am one. Understand that there are a small number of expats there now but they are recruiting for growth. Any info would be appreciated.
Thanks
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Sounds like we should make a thread out of it. I'm looking at a A320 position at Shenzhen as well. I'm curious about the working conditions, living in China, etc. Anybody out there with any info?
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It is true that Shenzhen is looking for pilots (320 and 737 captains)...the recruiter is wasinc. If you are an f/o, hang out because they are looking at taking guys with Types and doing some kind of a quick upgrade program.
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Thanks for the info 22 
Is there anyone in paticular to contact at wasinc. Would anyone flying for them care to share roster and day to day living in shenzshen with us thanks.
Is there anyone in paticular to contact at wasinc. Would anyone flying for them care to share roster and day to day living in shenzshen with us thanks.
EPASZ must have a chip on his shoulder. His standard of English suggests that he is not fully au faire with the western style of life.
Should you equate the western style of life with Shekou, where most of the expatriate pilots live then it is all there. A three-bedroomed modern air-conditioned apartment will cost about US$1,000/month plus light and water. Cable TV and ADSL are simplicity to arrange.
International stores? Take your choice. Wal Mart, Carrefoure and B&Q are within a $2 taxi ride, as are ultra modern shopping malls. The local Chinese shops sell just about everything at ridiculous prices compared with the West. Close by are Chinese supermarkets where an incredible range of fruit and vegetables cost peanuts and if you are a seafood addict then you are in Paradise.
Hanker after home cooking. Two delicatessens specialise in European and American products so you are never short of your favourite cereal or sauces. A real butchers shop supplies real steaks and real sausages and bacon, none of this American streaky stuff.
Too lazy to cook at home. There is always MacDonald’s, Kentucky Fried Chicken, Pizza House, Papa Johns, Starbucks plus a host of international restaurants including the best Teppiyake restaurant outside of Japan. You can have few beers at a local bar and shoot pool and darts or go to an Irish bar and sink Guinness.
Want to keep your swing in? A driving range virtually on your doorstep and fifteen golf courses, one floodlit and four of Championship standard, within twenty miles.
Two international schools educate the kids and when they go outside with their rollerblades and skateboards you know that they will be SAFE, as you will be any time of the day or night.
It is not quite the same as western life. You’re not likely to get mugged, murdered or your kids abducted or molested. They shoot people that do that.
This is a part of Seaworld, the recreation centre of Shekou.
Should you equate the western style of life with Shekou, where most of the expatriate pilots live then it is all there. A three-bedroomed modern air-conditioned apartment will cost about US$1,000/month plus light and water. Cable TV and ADSL are simplicity to arrange.
International stores? Take your choice. Wal Mart, Carrefoure and B&Q are within a $2 taxi ride, as are ultra modern shopping malls. The local Chinese shops sell just about everything at ridiculous prices compared with the West. Close by are Chinese supermarkets where an incredible range of fruit and vegetables cost peanuts and if you are a seafood addict then you are in Paradise.
Hanker after home cooking. Two delicatessens specialise in European and American products so you are never short of your favourite cereal or sauces. A real butchers shop supplies real steaks and real sausages and bacon, none of this American streaky stuff.
Too lazy to cook at home. There is always MacDonald’s, Kentucky Fried Chicken, Pizza House, Papa Johns, Starbucks plus a host of international restaurants including the best Teppiyake restaurant outside of Japan. You can have few beers at a local bar and shoot pool and darts or go to an Irish bar and sink Guinness.
Want to keep your swing in? A driving range virtually on your doorstep and fifteen golf courses, one floodlit and four of Championship standard, within twenty miles.
Two international schools educate the kids and when they go outside with their rollerblades and skateboards you know that they will be SAFE, as you will be any time of the day or night.
It is not quite the same as western life. You’re not likely to get mugged, murdered or your kids abducted or molested. They shoot people that do that.
This is a part of Seaworld, the recreation centre of Shekou.
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Any info on the Airline itself? Quality of Operations, procedures, schedules, etc...
Thinking on leaving my sinking ship of crappy Airwayz.
Any info will be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
Thinking on leaving my sinking ship of crappy Airwayz.
Any info will be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
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Good operations standards . Receiving brand new acfts (800's) at a rate of one per month (heard it may slow down a little bit) .
Airports with good , long , both sides ILS equiped runways . Good maintenance .
Schedule is planned for a maximum of 4 or 5 days ahead and changes a lot , must check it on the internet almost on a daily basis . But it's easy to request days off and plan your personal life . Generally speaking ,we work for 4 days in a row and have 2 or 3 days off . Typical day you leave in the early morning , fly four legs and get back home between 2100/2330hs .
Salary is for 90 hours block time and we usually fly what we are paid for .Minimum 8 days off and we usually get something between 9 and 12 , with layovers average between 6 and 9 .
Company provides pilot transport . A small bus pick you up at home and deliver you back upon arrival ( 40 min. ride ).
The Foreign Dept. counts with almost 50 pilots already flying and maybe around 30 or 40 more waiting for some paperwork to be ready . Paperwork runs slow , sometimes very slow here . Some guys waiting for more than 6 months to have all CAAC related documents, working visas and so on to be ready . I think salary is paid in full during this period . MUST pass a CAAC ATPL written test which is not difficult at all , but some language/ translation issues and local regulation questions may give you a hard time . Lot of studying material available ( basically previous test questions and GLEIM software). Can repeat the test after 28 days if you fail the first time , in this case maybe the salary will be reduced , gotta check this in your contract .
That's all for now , hope it helps your decision .
Airports with good , long , both sides ILS equiped runways . Good maintenance .
Schedule is planned for a maximum of 4 or 5 days ahead and changes a lot , must check it on the internet almost on a daily basis . But it's easy to request days off and plan your personal life . Generally speaking ,we work for 4 days in a row and have 2 or 3 days off . Typical day you leave in the early morning , fly four legs and get back home between 2100/2330hs .
Salary is for 90 hours block time and we usually fly what we are paid for .Minimum 8 days off and we usually get something between 9 and 12 , with layovers average between 6 and 9 .
Company provides pilot transport . A small bus pick you up at home and deliver you back upon arrival ( 40 min. ride ).
The Foreign Dept. counts with almost 50 pilots already flying and maybe around 30 or 40 more waiting for some paperwork to be ready . Paperwork runs slow , sometimes very slow here . Some guys waiting for more than 6 months to have all CAAC related documents, working visas and so on to be ready . I think salary is paid in full during this period . MUST pass a CAAC ATPL written test which is not difficult at all , but some language/ translation issues and local regulation questions may give you a hard time . Lot of studying material available ( basically previous test questions and GLEIM software). Can repeat the test after 28 days if you fail the first time , in this case maybe the salary will be reduced , gotta check this in your contract .
That's all for now , hope it helps your decision .
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I agree with the previous posts. China is not a bad place to be if you must be away from home. This place, like anywhere else, takes some time to get use to.
If you are planning on taking a family to China there are some things to consider:
We are in a 4 bedroom apartment and pay $2000.00/month (not including utilities). There are places that are cheaper though and there is room for negotiation on the price; just depends on what you can put up with for the next 2-3 years. My apartment is furnished and is higher with a view. Lower apartments are cheaper ($1200/mo).
Shenzhen's housing allowance is only 8000RMB. Jade Cargo pilots get 15,000 RMB?? The average cost of an apartment here is about $2000/mo. for something that you'd like to live in for the next 3 years. Hopefully they will change that soon.
Private international mediacal insurance is EXPENSIVE!!! The airlines do not pay for this (they should). There is a clinic here called SOS (in Shekou) that has US, Braz. and other international Doctors. The cost is about $4500.00+/year for your family and ONLY covers you on the mainland at the SOS clininc (nothing international)...if you wind up breaking your arm and going to the Hospital (SOS clinic is not a hospital), you will pick up the tab. Now saying this, I would never take my family to the Chinese hospitals on the mainland (other than the one in Beijing) unless it was an absolute emergency. Even then, you'd probably be transferred to the hospital in Hong Kong if it was serious. If you dont have international insurance....you pick up the tab on that as well.
I think that I should also mention that the hospitals here are 30 years behind the USA in everything they do. They are moldy, crowded and if you do not have someone that speaks Chinese with you when you go, good luck!
It's an absolute necessity, if your family is here, to have proper medical coverage and the peace of mind that comes with a good plan. Having additional coverage in the USA is more expensive. I've tried to paste a chart here but for some reason it will not let me. The average cost (not including medical coverage in N-America, family of 4-5) is about $10,000US/year.
Daycare for your children is a problem because it is expensive so you must hire a nanny or take your children to the international schools here if you and your wife plan on spending any time together, alone. Additionally, Shenzhen Airlines does NOT pay for any schools.
$4500/year for SOS Clinic
$10,000/year for International Insurance (on average for a family of 4-6..no USA Coverage)
$12,000/year per child at the QSI (international school) SIS is double that!
If you have 3 children in school, thats $36,000 out of your own pocket at QSI!!!
36,000 (3 kids going to school)
10,000
+ 4,500
_______
$50,000 (take that out of your salary)
Now that I've said that...sure beats flipping burgers.
If you are planning on taking a family to China there are some things to consider:
We are in a 4 bedroom apartment and pay $2000.00/month (not including utilities). There are places that are cheaper though and there is room for negotiation on the price; just depends on what you can put up with for the next 2-3 years. My apartment is furnished and is higher with a view. Lower apartments are cheaper ($1200/mo).
Shenzhen's housing allowance is only 8000RMB. Jade Cargo pilots get 15,000 RMB?? The average cost of an apartment here is about $2000/mo. for something that you'd like to live in for the next 3 years. Hopefully they will change that soon.
Private international mediacal insurance is EXPENSIVE!!! The airlines do not pay for this (they should). There is a clinic here called SOS (in Shekou) that has US, Braz. and other international Doctors. The cost is about $4500.00+/year for your family and ONLY covers you on the mainland at the SOS clininc (nothing international)...if you wind up breaking your arm and going to the Hospital (SOS clinic is not a hospital), you will pick up the tab. Now saying this, I would never take my family to the Chinese hospitals on the mainland (other than the one in Beijing) unless it was an absolute emergency. Even then, you'd probably be transferred to the hospital in Hong Kong if it was serious. If you dont have international insurance....you pick up the tab on that as well.
I think that I should also mention that the hospitals here are 30 years behind the USA in everything they do. They are moldy, crowded and if you do not have someone that speaks Chinese with you when you go, good luck!
It's an absolute necessity, if your family is here, to have proper medical coverage and the peace of mind that comes with a good plan. Having additional coverage in the USA is more expensive. I've tried to paste a chart here but for some reason it will not let me. The average cost (not including medical coverage in N-America, family of 4-5) is about $10,000US/year.
Daycare for your children is a problem because it is expensive so you must hire a nanny or take your children to the international schools here if you and your wife plan on spending any time together, alone. Additionally, Shenzhen Airlines does NOT pay for any schools.
$4500/year for SOS Clinic
$10,000/year for International Insurance (on average for a family of 4-6..no USA Coverage)
$12,000/year per child at the QSI (international school) SIS is double that!
If you have 3 children in school, thats $36,000 out of your own pocket at QSI!!!
36,000 (3 kids going to school)
10,000
+ 4,500
_______
$50,000 (take that out of your salary)
Now that I've said that...sure beats flipping burgers.
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320 and Jota,
It's my pleasure to share info with you. You can call
World Aviation Systems, Inc.
P.O. Box 370124Las Vegas, Nevada 89137-0124
Tel +1.702.315.3232 Fax +1.702.920.8416
They are very nice and will spend the time to answer all your questions.
It's my pleasure to share info with you. You can call
World Aviation Systems, Inc.
P.O. Box 370124Las Vegas, Nevada 89137-0124
Tel +1.702.315.3232 Fax +1.702.920.8416
They are very nice and will spend the time to answer all your questions.
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Sorry,
Loosing track of all my threads.
If you do not have time on type...I believe that they will look at your other PIC experience. Keep in mind that they (Shenzhen Airlines) does not have a SIC to PIC program, yet.
Loosing track of all my threads.
If you do not have time on type...I believe that they will look at your other PIC experience. Keep in mind that they (Shenzhen Airlines) does not have a SIC to PIC program, yet.
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Wasinc
Sorry,
It stands for World Aviation Systems Inc. and the Web site is:
http://www.wasinc.net/index.aspx
It stands for World Aviation Systems Inc. and the Web site is:
http://www.wasinc.net/index.aspx