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Drunk PAX
I heard the same from a local FO that it is true, and the Captain is already back on the line after 2 weeks of unpaid vacations.
Apparently there is more to the story; ground staff and Cabin Crew did not want to deboard the PAX and so the Captain made the decision on his own.
It is right though, the FOM does mention the moment responsibility is transferred to the Pilots at the moment the doors are closed. Thats why you see them bail almost instantly upon arrival 😆
But there must be a moral of the story if something happens...
Apparently there is more to the story; ground staff and Cabin Crew did not want to deboard the PAX and so the Captain made the decision on his own.
It is right though, the FOM does mention the moment responsibility is transferred to the Pilots at the moment the doors are closed. Thats why you see them bail almost instantly upon arrival 😆
But there must be a moral of the story if something happens...
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So, IA1166, Cat at your tongue? (fingers in this case, I guess)
Can't mount a defense in a hurry? I gave you sufficient time, or not?
Is it dawning on you that management in this outfit is actually demonstrating all symptoms of utter incompetence as their internal lazy, socialistic and absolutely corrupt work culture actually inhibit its own growth?
I actually have a feeling that you might be one of the management pilot yourself, or are you not? Otherwise I would not understand why you'd be offended by the truth and feel that threatening me with "dismissal" would solve your problem here; instead you'd just agree that there is actually a fundamental flaw between Vietnamese management ethics and Aviation business customs in this company! Guess what, those kinds of flaws in the past are actually responsible for fatal accidents...
Here a small (of course unofficial) update on how Vietnam Airlines has been doing last month:
As expected, VNA and the CAAV have failed the FAA Safety and Policy Audit.
That's, what? The sixth year in a row? Oh, but what a surprise, right? Won't be flying to America any time soon, huh?
Turns out that the little remark on the license saying "Vietnam Airlines Only" is actually the one thing the FAA will NEVER accept and Vietnam Airlines NEVER let go of; mind you, VNA will loose half of its local, starving Pilot pool if that restriction were to be removed!
But: Its almost tragic to think that VNA seriously thought that buying new 787's from Boeing and a few Simulators from California would actually "secure" them their Operations Certificate to the US.
Vietnam Airlines: keep dreaming of new sources for your internal smuggling operation. Good job FAA!
So, I'm waiting IA1166; anything you have to say? I'm still waiting for your response of my previous post...
And you Eagle25: shining some sun up you *** does not cover the truth that in a normal, competitive business environment, this one would have gone belly up the day after it was deregulated... Enjoy...
Can't mount a defense in a hurry? I gave you sufficient time, or not?
Is it dawning on you that management in this outfit is actually demonstrating all symptoms of utter incompetence as their internal lazy, socialistic and absolutely corrupt work culture actually inhibit its own growth?
I actually have a feeling that you might be one of the management pilot yourself, or are you not? Otherwise I would not understand why you'd be offended by the truth and feel that threatening me with "dismissal" would solve your problem here; instead you'd just agree that there is actually a fundamental flaw between Vietnamese management ethics and Aviation business customs in this company! Guess what, those kinds of flaws in the past are actually responsible for fatal accidents...
Here a small (of course unofficial) update on how Vietnam Airlines has been doing last month:
As expected, VNA and the CAAV have failed the FAA Safety and Policy Audit.
That's, what? The sixth year in a row? Oh, but what a surprise, right? Won't be flying to America any time soon, huh?
Turns out that the little remark on the license saying "Vietnam Airlines Only" is actually the one thing the FAA will NEVER accept and Vietnam Airlines NEVER let go of; mind you, VNA will loose half of its local, starving Pilot pool if that restriction were to be removed!
But: Its almost tragic to think that VNA seriously thought that buying new 787's from Boeing and a few Simulators from California would actually "secure" them their Operations Certificate to the US.
Vietnam Airlines: keep dreaming of new sources for your internal smuggling operation. Good job FAA!
So, I'm waiting IA1166; anything you have to say? I'm still waiting for your response of my previous post...
And you Eagle25: shining some sun up you *** does not cover the truth that in a normal, competitive business environment, this one would have gone belly up the day after it was deregulated... Enjoy...
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So, IA1166, Cat at your tongue? (fingers in this case, I guess)
Can't mount a defense in a hurry? I gave you sufficient time, or not?
Is it dawning on you that management in this outfit is actually demonstrating all symptoms of utter incompetence as their internal lazy, socialistic and absolutely corrupt work culture actually inhibit its own growth?
I actually have a feeling that you might be one of the management pilot yourself, or are you not? Otherwise I would not understand why you'd be offended by the truth and feel that threatening me with "dismissal" would solve your problem here; instead you'd just agree that there is actually a fundamental flaw between Vietnamese management ethics and Aviation business customs in this company! Guess what, those kinds of flaws in the past are actually responsible for fatal accidents...
Here a small (of course unofficial) update on how Vietnam Airlines has been doing last month:
As expected, VNA and the CAAV have failed the FAA Safety and Policy Audit.
That's, what? The sixth year in a row? Oh, but what a surprise, right? Won't be flying to America any time soon, huh?
Turns out that the little remark on the license saying "Vietnam Airlines Only" is actually the one thing the FAA will NEVER accept and Vietnam Airlines NEVER let go of; mind you, VNA will loose half of its local, starving Pilot pool if that restriction were to be removed!
But: Its almost tragic to think that VNA seriously thought that buying new 787's from Boeing and a few Simulators from California would actually "secure" them their Operations Certificate to the US.
Vietnam Airlines: keep dreaming of new sources for your internal smuggling operation. Good job FAA!
So, I'm waiting IA1166; anything you have to say? I'm still waiting for your response of my previous post...
And you Eagle25: shining some sun up you *** does not cover the truth that in a normal, competitive business environment, this one would have gone belly up the day after it was deregulated... Enjoy...
Can't mount a defense in a hurry? I gave you sufficient time, or not?
Is it dawning on you that management in this outfit is actually demonstrating all symptoms of utter incompetence as their internal lazy, socialistic and absolutely corrupt work culture actually inhibit its own growth?
I actually have a feeling that you might be one of the management pilot yourself, or are you not? Otherwise I would not understand why you'd be offended by the truth and feel that threatening me with "dismissal" would solve your problem here; instead you'd just agree that there is actually a fundamental flaw between Vietnamese management ethics and Aviation business customs in this company! Guess what, those kinds of flaws in the past are actually responsible for fatal accidents...
Here a small (of course unofficial) update on how Vietnam Airlines has been doing last month:
As expected, VNA and the CAAV have failed the FAA Safety and Policy Audit.
That's, what? The sixth year in a row? Oh, but what a surprise, right? Won't be flying to America any time soon, huh?
Turns out that the little remark on the license saying "Vietnam Airlines Only" is actually the one thing the FAA will NEVER accept and Vietnam Airlines NEVER let go of; mind you, VNA will loose half of its local, starving Pilot pool if that restriction were to be removed!
But: Its almost tragic to think that VNA seriously thought that buying new 787's from Boeing and a few Simulators from California would actually "secure" them their Operations Certificate to the US.
Vietnam Airlines: keep dreaming of new sources for your internal smuggling operation. Good job FAA!
So, I'm waiting IA1166; anything you have to say? I'm still waiting for your response of my previous post...
And you Eagle25: shining some sun up you *** does not cover the truth that in a normal, competitive business environment, this one would have gone belly up the day after it was deregulated... Enjoy...
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Gear pins and covers.
Sorry but in my world that means gear pins..... And covers. Static and pitot. Which are stored in the avionics bay so a visual check of removal is required, thus requiring a check by cm1 on the first flight of day.
Incidentally the new sop has this check done by cm2. So on the first flight of the day captains need to do a walk around, but the cm2 is required to check these are removed befor flight.
And just as an extra, the captain cannot do a walkaround until refuelling complete and bowser has unplugged. If you need clarification read the fcom.
I am not management, but i can read.
The new sop requires a cm2 check outside on first flight, and a captain walkaround after refuelling.
Oh and just to clarify, the before start checklist. It is a confirmation by cm1 of gear pins and covers.. That is COVERS gents, not sleeves, not pins. Its covers. Static and pitot...removed.
Captains.. It is always your responsibility. Always
Read and inwardly digest my old instructors used to say.
Sorry but in my world that means gear pins..... And covers. Static and pitot. Which are stored in the avionics bay so a visual check of removal is required, thus requiring a check by cm1 on the first flight of day.
Incidentally the new sop has this check done by cm2. So on the first flight of the day captains need to do a walk around, but the cm2 is required to check these are removed befor flight.
And just as an extra, the captain cannot do a walkaround until refuelling complete and bowser has unplugged. If you need clarification read the fcom.
I am not management, but i can read.
The new sop requires a cm2 check outside on first flight, and a captain walkaround after refuelling.
Oh and just to clarify, the before start checklist. It is a confirmation by cm1 of gear pins and covers.. That is COVERS gents, not sleeves, not pins. Its covers. Static and pitot...removed.
Captains.. It is always your responsibility. Always
Read and inwardly digest my old instructors used to say.
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Kodiak hunter,
Bears? I hunt sambar and red deer myself. 30-06 all the way.
Gear pins and covers..removed and stowed. No mention of 3.
Actually gear pins and covers means 1 pin, 2 sleeves, 3 pitot and 3 static covers. Pins and sleeves in the cockpit, covers.. COVERS..are stowed in the avionics bay.
So you need to check removal. Any missing covers are recorded in the defects part of the tech log.
So a outside check required
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Bears? I hunt sambar and red deer myself. 30-06 all the way.
Gear pins and covers..removed and stowed. No mention of 3.
Actually gear pins and covers means 1 pin, 2 sleeves, 3 pitot and 3 static covers. Pins and sleeves in the cockpit, covers.. COVERS..are stowed in the avionics bay.
So you need to check removal. Any missing covers are recorded in the defects part of the tech log.
So a outside check required
QED
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Hunting
IA1166; Kodiac Hunter;
Personally I prefer fishing over hunting, especially Trout; but would love to try Salmon fishing in Alaska one day.
I used to shoot the 7.62x51 in my days in the military; I loved my bolt action L96! Amazing piece of surgical precision! The 30-08 is the same catridge and projectile, right?
I'm on vacations in S. America right now and tried to download the latest update; it is HUGE, like 1.6GB; and it says it will take me 1.5 days; better get that done when I'm back; any other significant changes in the SOP?
Personally I prefer fishing over hunting, especially Trout; but would love to try Salmon fishing in Alaska one day.
I used to shoot the 7.62x51 in my days in the military; I loved my bolt action L96! Amazing piece of surgical precision! The 30-08 is the same catridge and projectile, right?
I'm on vacations in S. America right now and tried to download the latest update; it is HUGE, like 1.6GB; and it says it will take me 1.5 days; better get that done when I'm back; any other significant changes in the SOP?
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I would have to check ,y reloading manuals on that one. 7.62 nato is 308 winchester. 30-06 springfield is the standard US army round from ww2 up until the introduction of the m16, which uses the now more common 5.56 nato, or 223 in the civilian world.
If you were serving in the US a long time ago maybe, but if in Nato it would have been the 308. Same calibre but a bigger cartridge on the 06. Good for bear and moose, not so good for trout.
If you were serving in the US a long time ago maybe, but if in Nato it would have been the 308. Same calibre but a bigger cartridge on the 06. Good for bear and moose, not so good for trout.
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The entire cockpit prep has moved to cm2. From gear pins and covers all the way down. Fmgc, top panel, the lot.
Cabin comm check before cabin briefing.
Mandatory items for cabin briefing, and a change to wording of paswords.
Cabin comm check before cabin briefing.
Mandatory items for cabin briefing, and a change to wording of paswords.
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Can anyone confirm that a local VNA captain was suspended for throwing a drunk pax off a flight? Allegedly, he was advised by cabin crew that he stank of alcohol and needed to be helped up the stairs. This drunk pax just happened to be some mate of a mate in upper management!
Apparently, he was told by management that he didn't know his role as a captain whilst the doors were open. This can't be true?!? Sounds like he was just doing his job as a captain because ground staff didn't do theirs.
If true, who would want to work under such conditions when management won't back a Captain for looking after the crew and remaining pax on a flight.
Surely this can't be true?
Apparently, he was told by management that he didn't know his role as a captain whilst the doors were open. This can't be true?!? Sounds like he was just doing his job as a captain because ground staff didn't do theirs.
If true, who would want to work under such conditions when management won't back a Captain for looking after the crew and remaining pax on a flight.
Surely this can't be true?
As always you need to know what ypu can and cannot do....
Much like the walkaround i dare say.
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I would have to check ,y reloading manuals on that one. 7.62 nato is 308 winchester. 30-06 springfield is the standard US army round from ww2 up until the introduction of the m16, which uses the now more common 5.56 nato, or 223 in the civilian world.
If you were serving in the US a long time ago maybe, but if in Nato it would have been the 308. Same calibre but a bigger cartridge on the 06. Good for bear and moose, not so good for trout.
If you were serving in the US a long time ago maybe, but if in Nato it would have been the 308. Same calibre but a bigger cartridge on the 06. Good for bear and moose, not so good for trout.
Yeah, they used to pack quite a punch but were also heavier and the standard clip would not hold as many rounds. I do get to practice some Long Range shooting here once in a while. My old man hates it when I come along with him to the outdoor range and unpack my old ballistics tables and 80's Casio calculator infront of his buddies. They all go by feel and I usually bull on the Cold Barrel Shot at 1200 meters.
Thanks for the heads up in the SOP changes. I'm not able to download the updates from home on vacation, the download rate is snail speed. So, if CM2 is doing overhead now, I'd strongly recommend CM1 still checks the battery chergers. I've seen a few of them skip that part when it is their part to do.
So the Cabin Com-Check is still done? I always though it to be a necessary hassle as even the cabin crew themselvs seem to dislike that check.
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Very sure my friend. The plan of the airline is to fly the A321 fleet with only vietnamese pilots. They are recruiting more than 200 local cadets now, and will be released shortly, so these cadets will push for the upgrade to Captains to the actual vietnamese FO's, and these new local Captains, at the same time, will push out of the company to all expat Captains flying now in the A321 fleet. They just need 60 days to advise the expat pilot to be fired, same as they did already with all A321 Senior First Officers. They need the instuctors now to train all these new vietnamese cadets, but when they are released... Good bye instructors, Captains, etc... Vietnam Airlines is not a good place for expat pilots anymore. This is the truth, i have been flying here for more than 10 years, and i have a very good local friend working in the Company, he told me..." Start looking for other place as soon as you can, the plan of the company could start tomorrow or next year, but for sure they will do it ". Now you can do what you want, but as a pilot, i need to advise to all my colleagues that this airline is not recommended for expats anymore. Good luck
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All the foreigners FOs , except a few suckers, will be fired ( furloughed ) before the end of year. In 2018 it will be the Cpts, like this, VN will be a full vietnamese airlines.
The agencies are hiding, not answering mails or call phones. Not protecting their pilots for years,it is, now, their turn to be fired by VN.
Soon ,VN will be a 4th grade airlines, with all a bunch of incompetent monkeys .
The agencies are hiding, not answering mails or call phones. Not protecting their pilots for years,it is, now, their turn to be fired by VN.
Soon ,VN will be a 4th grade airlines, with all a bunch of incompetent monkeys .
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Do not go gentle into that good night
Rage against the dying of the light
Rage.
Another happy camper. Good Luck and when you start somewhere new, please dont keep attacking your previous employer. Its really bad form.
And a bit immature maybe.
Rage against the dying of the light
Rage.
Another happy camper. Good Luck and when you start somewhere new, please dont keep attacking your previous employer. Its really bad form.
And a bit immature maybe.
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Really? I am just warning my colleagues. But if you want to joing this company, you are welcome. When everything happens, i would live to see your comments. Good luck!!