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I'm surprised no one has mentioned that they will reduce the working rosters (salary included) of ALL A321 Captains following the Tet; maximum salary will be 9,600 on the 6x3. Still want to join? Don't worry, obviously no new entries this year...
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Just an answer i got recently after an application through an agency: "due to a change of fleet plans, the airline are not currently looking at accepting pilots for the A320 fleet."
A bit of misinformation on this thread and the usual trolls full of spleen but it is all ‘sort of’ true.
All except 1 of the remaining expat B777 Captains and F/Os did receive 60 days notice of termination.
The company has also indicated that they would like to reduce the expat F/Os on the A321 by 35 in 2017.
The expat pilots given notice were told that there were no upgrade opportunities for them even if they had previously been told that there was.
Subsequent to this, some expat pilots on the B777 have been advised that they may now remain but so far, have not been given any other details.
Rumour has it that one B787 Captain received a letter stating that he may be given notice as he was surplus to requirements at the same time as there were 3 new expat B787 captains training.
The fact that management of the airline is dysfunctional is beyond dispute by both expats and locals.
The Company has had for some time now, had a well known aim of Nationalising the operation by 2018.
All except 1 of the remaining expat B777 Captains and F/Os did receive 60 days notice of termination.
The company has also indicated that they would like to reduce the expat F/Os on the A321 by 35 in 2017.
The expat pilots given notice were told that there were no upgrade opportunities for them even if they had previously been told that there was.
Subsequent to this, some expat pilots on the B777 have been advised that they may now remain but so far, have not been given any other details.
Rumour has it that one B787 Captain received a letter stating that he may be given notice as he was surplus to requirements at the same time as there were 3 new expat B787 captains training.
The fact that management of the airline is dysfunctional is beyond dispute by both expats and locals.
The Company has had for some time now, had a well known aim of Nationalising the operation by 2018.
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The company has also indicated that they would like to reduce the expat F/Os on the A321 by 35 in 2017.
Obviously. they have plenty of cadets coming. Not recruiting for fos for a while.
The Company has had for some time now, had a well known aim of Nationalising the operation by 2018.
Obviously. Why wouldn't they. Maybe not in next few years though.
The expat pilots given notice were told that there were no upgrade opportunities for them even if they had previously been told that there was.
I was told by some 330 fos that why would they take a command on the 321 for roughly the same salary and a lot more work? Well there is your reason. They should have jumped on the chance when offered. But they didn't. Any contract pilot will tell you to get a command at all costs.
The fact that management of the airline is dysfunctional is beyond dispute by both expats and locals.
Really? I see no direct affect on me. A couple of guys from BA i met on holiday skiing told me they were only flying 2 routes a month on the 74, and some 78 guys were not flying at all due to too many 78 drivers trained and now no aircraft. they're all on the slopes in Morzine having a great time on full pay. I think airline management is not something i want to get involved with so happy to let someone else do it and not complain. Easy to sit on the fence and throw insults. maybe you should volunteer.
Obviously. they have plenty of cadets coming. Not recruiting for fos for a while.
The Company has had for some time now, had a well known aim of Nationalising the operation by 2018.
Obviously. Why wouldn't they. Maybe not in next few years though.
The expat pilots given notice were told that there were no upgrade opportunities for them even if they had previously been told that there was.
I was told by some 330 fos that why would they take a command on the 321 for roughly the same salary and a lot more work? Well there is your reason. They should have jumped on the chance when offered. But they didn't. Any contract pilot will tell you to get a command at all costs.
The fact that management of the airline is dysfunctional is beyond dispute by both expats and locals.
Really? I see no direct affect on me. A couple of guys from BA i met on holiday skiing told me they were only flying 2 routes a month on the 74, and some 78 guys were not flying at all due to too many 78 drivers trained and now no aircraft. they're all on the slopes in Morzine having a great time on full pay. I think airline management is not something i want to get involved with so happy to let someone else do it and not complain. Easy to sit on the fence and throw insults. maybe you should volunteer.
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I'm surprised no one has mentioned that they will reduce the working rosters (salary included) of ALL A321 Captains following the Tet; maximum salary will be 9,600 on the 6x3. Still want to join? Don't worry, obviously no new entries this year..
Great. I have been after 5 and 3 for years. This is the best news of 2017 so far.
There you go. Mentioned. Its a gift from the gods.
Its also a lot better than lay offs. If you'd prefer they took this option maybe you should volunteer? If you think about it its actually a plus for management. The original contract is for 6 and 2. Increased rosters are a variation. So in reality it is only a minor change to original roster.
Great. I have been after 5 and 3 for years. This is the best news of 2017 so far.
There you go. Mentioned. Its a gift from the gods.
Its also a lot better than lay offs. If you'd prefer they took this option maybe you should volunteer? If you think about it its actually a plus for management. The original contract is for 6 and 2. Increased rosters are a variation. So in reality it is only a minor change to original roster.
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Certainly, a reduced roster is always better than layoffs and 5x3 may fit you well, but if you have your kids on schools here, the cost of living goes way up, as tuition fees are nothing but cheap. Anyway, latest news is that a number of Captains have seeked other options and will leave, leaving the current situation a bit different, so we'll have to wait to see what happens. Nevertheless, no hiring is expected this year.
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Quick question.
If these B777 expat captains were flying lifestyle rosters of 30-40 hours a month, may I enquiry as to what was their take home pay in that case.
Just curious ...
If these B777 expat captains were flying lifestyle rosters of 30-40 hours a month, may I enquiry as to what was their take home pay in that case.
Just curious ...
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35 FOs as told before. There are 300 viet cadets waiting to take the RHS. I wish good luck to VNA to find new expat morons,the day it will see the big mistake who has been done.
The Boeing 777s are now pushed up against the fence, only rumours about their future, all crews both local and expat are either waiting for upgrade information or terminated. The Boeing 787 fleet has continued to employ direct entry expat captains.
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Jetstar is rumored to be taking 35 of your local cadets in the near future. Your local FOs that we have all suffer from narcolepsy, laziness and real dislike for non VNA SOPs.
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Some agencies trying to transfer the FOs affected by the early contract termination to JetStar. They are also giving some FOs a chance upgrade, but with a catch. If you pass the interview, you'll have to wait for almost a year before you start training, for the meantime have to go home and wait for the call, without salary. There's some expat FOs recently released on the line as late as January too. No planning, or poor planning. Either way, it's done without concern for the pilots.
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I do confirm
Lots of high level FO as been terminated, or humiliated with non sense question during upgrade interview!
Company decided too upgrade local FO with 2500 hours ( not able to land with xwind) and let those guys go
Huge loss of experience for the company!!!
Us captains... NEXT!!
Lots of high level FO as been terminated, or humiliated with non sense question during upgrade interview!
Company decided too upgrade local FO with 2500 hours ( not able to land with xwind) and let those guys go
Huge loss of experience for the company!!!
Us captains... NEXT!!