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Old 5th Jan 2017, 00:23
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They're absolutely famous for that. The Thpanith are experts too. Think I'm joking? Make a random posting about offering an "opportunity" for FO's on something shiny and a self-sponsored, i.e. P2F. Your inbox will fill up...
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Old 5th Jan 2017, 05:39
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The 330s and 777s are still out there flying, find it strange that pilots on those fleets would not be offered to continue on a different fleet...
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Old 5th Jan 2017, 06:09
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I heard, one guy did pay 45 000 US$ for the B-787 and after 6 month got fired to be replaced by one viet topgun.

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Old 9th Jan 2017, 23:51
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https://wizzair.com/en-gb/information-and-services/career/pilots#/

Open day in SGN and HAN
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Old 14th Jan 2017, 08:46
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I find it actually a bit hard to believe the 777 expats were fired! C'mon now....
There were guys there with more than 20 years (maybe retired) but my guess is they went over to the 787 or just left on their own as they didn't want to pay the money for the 787.

But fired??? Don't believe it....

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Old 14th Jan 2017, 14:15
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But it is true ! I have talked to a 777 captain , whom has confirmed , all expats have been fired, including himself

Only one 787 coming in 2017, no seats available for foreigners, only for low experienced viets.

That is the VNA way.
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Old 14th Jan 2017, 17:29
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Fired is a bit strong. They have been let go under contract conditions.

Mostly they are over 60 and the quota for over 60s on the 787 is already met. The fleet is finished here. So the pilots ate no longer required.

Its the contract world.

If you dont like it you, vote with your feet. Kimono.
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Old 14th Jan 2017, 17:31
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I think its a strong message for all contract pilots. Stay on a viable fleet, like the 320. Keep an eye on the future and dont get caught out on an age/ type related issue.

Its not fair, its not good, but its fact.
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Old 14th Jan 2017, 17:42
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Thanks for the clarification, ia1166.

I did learn today that 9 expat captains and 5 expat FO's on the Triple were let go under contractual conditions and that anyone over 58 (?) was not retained (age 60). They were effectively furloughed/laid off.... but not fired.

Workers get fired for doing something wrong or illegal against a company regulation. This was not the case.

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Old 15th Jan 2017, 00:28
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Laid off, fired.... what the **** ? They are looking for a job now !
I do confirm , all expats, Cpt or FO, have been showed the door and soon it will be the 330 guys !
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Old 15th Jan 2017, 04:29
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The difference between getting fired and getting let go/furloughed??? Jeez dude... that difference is HUGE!

It will matter when you go to your next job interview... and are asked why you left. Would you rather your answer be, "I was fired".... or, "I was layed off".

If I'm hiring pilots... or anyone for that matter, I'm NOT going to hire the guy who was FIRED!

HUGE DIFFERENCE Kimono.

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Let me provide some detailed info about the so-called "777 expats all get fired" story.

First of all, VNA has been flying 787 for a while already, it is not a new fleet just started 3 months ago. So, from long time ago, VNA had provided chances for 777 expats transfering to 787. In the end, if you accept the transfer, you have to pay a bond for 3 years in advance, but no other training fee. After 3 years, you get your bond back.

So the real cost is, when you begin the ground school, you do not get any payment until you begin the IOE. This is the main reason, that many 777 expats refuse, or do not apply for, the 787 fleet transfer. Because for a very long time, the schedue for 777 expats is so relax, so why bothering to transfer to 787 and pay the bond for 3 years, plus 1-2 months no income?

I have friends in 777. Some check out and fly in 787 already. Unfortunately, for those who think they can stay in 777 forever, flying 30 hours per month and get 1xxxx USD per month, they all got the 60 days notice.

True, I do not think the deal for 787 fleet transfer is the best one.
But "FIRED" is not a very accurate word. Those get the 60 days notice now, they all had chances long time ago. They did not accept the deal, now they have to leave VNA. I think this is fair enough.
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Old 16th Jan 2017, 08:46
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You are wrong, the bond is for 3 years ( not reducing ), but you need to pay for the training too. You will get the cost back after 5 years ( still not reducing ), if you do it in 2017, after that you will pay for it.

Do not say, the foreigners have had the chance to move, it is VNA who decide, when and who.
I told you before, one guy was flying the 787 for 6 months and have been layed off ( Kapitanleutnant )

VNA is managed by idiots, simple .
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Old 17th Jan 2017, 09:07
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Ok, I have no idea who is the guy in 787 been laid off, i do not know him. Even so, you can simply open your eyes and see once again what I am talking about.
I am talking about the so called "777 expats all get fired" story.

And this story, my friend, was made by you on 04/Jan/2017.
"All B-777 expats have been fired"
This is exactlly the words you said. Ok?
Not remember? go back to the post by you on 04/Jan/2017 and see it for yourself, its not long ago.

Even there is one guy get LAID OFF, you intentionlly exaggerated it, for some reasones, by saying "All B-777 expats", and you keep this point all the way till now.

Do you know, how many expats have been transferred to 787 in the last 2 years?
The answer is: Many.
Do you know, since when, VNA had been asking 777 expats their intensions about moving to 787?
The answer is: From at least 2 years ago.

Do not play "word" game, my friend. What is the definition of "chance"?
All B-777 expats got the email from agencies about the transferring from long time ago.
You could simply reply the email and say "YES".
You could simply go to 777 fleet office and say "YES".
No one's there to STOP you.
2 of my friends said "YES", and they are in 787 now.
3 of my friends ignored the email, and they get the 60 days notice now.
This is not a "chance" to you?

Again, I do not say the deal for transferring is the best one, but you have 100% freedom to make your decision: YES or NO, TAKE IT or LEAVE IT.

By the way, if some expats did not have the chance to move to 787 because they're already 5x years old, please do not bring it to this discussion.

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Old 17th Jan 2017, 10:49
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I do not enjoy talking about this, but....

In the last 2 years, for so many times, I "reminded" my friends in 777,
that they had the opportunity to fly the excellent 787,
that they could expect to have a stable job in VNA for xx years in 787,
that sooner or later the 777 fleet would be phased-out and they might lose their jobs in VNA,
that they should act quickly before it's too late,
.......
For fxxking 2 years, I kept reminding them. Because I knew they enjoyed the life in 777 fleet for years, and they would love to stay in VNA for another xx years.

And what's the response from them?
They showed me their schedules and said: "Hey man, I only flew 40 hours last month. And this month I fly only 25 hours and I have 2 weeks vacation. Why should I move?"
Then I said: "But, what if VNA phase-out the 777 fleet?"
They looked at me with big smiles and said: "That is only a rumor from years ago....VNA will keep some 777 because VNA can not find any buyer. There is no worry."

Conversations such as this one, kept going on for 2 years, and they insisted only "idiot expat" would pay the bond and move to 787 from 777.
Now, they have to say "Bye Bye" to everything they enjoy so much in Vietnam.

I never ask them: " If time went back to 2 years ago, would you make a different decision?"
No need to ask. I do not see their big smiles anymore, and that is the answer we both know deeply in our hearts.

Also, for the last 7 years, I personally know 2 expats got FIRED, without 60 days notice, only 2.
1 did not pass the PC.
1 had serious CRM problems with all pilots. Even his countryman hoped VNA kicked him out.

Sure, maybe there is more.
I do not personally know the other expats got FIRED without 60 days notice, but I do believe, there must be a very strong reason behind.
"An 787 expat captain got fired simply because a local guy is coming to 787 to take his seat?"
My friend, I do not buy it. Either you do not know the whole story, or you are hiding something from us and you intentionally exaggerate something you want to show us.
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Old 17th Jan 2017, 16:26
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I have checked the daily schedule for the 787 and only 3 names were not viet , 2 of which ,did join VNA as DEC on 787. I do not know, what means many in your mouth ?

The agencies asked about the 787 ( and 350 ) 1 year ago, not 2. But probably you are better informed than me.

Nb all the 777 expats have been layed off ( fired, what so ever ).
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Old 23rd Jan 2017, 13:25
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...only 3 names were not viet , 2 of which ,did join VNA as DEC on 787
Well that explains the 787 departure out of London that wasn't reaching cruise speed or Altitude... until they realised they had the gear down for the last hour!
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Old 23rd Jan 2017, 14:16
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Originally Posted by kimono1950
For the gents who were thinking joining VNA, the latest is the following :

All B-777 expats have been fired
No more upgrading to PIC for the expats
More than 70% of the A-330 expat crew will be fired
35 A-321 expat FOs have been fired
The P2F is the norm for the new expats
100 vietnameses cadets will take your RHS
All the low experienced viet FOs will take your LHS

After that, good luck for the agencies to find new idiots to come to this low grade crap !
dear kimono,
So 35 expat FO's on A321 also got fired?
A friend of mine flies there but did't get that news...he heard about the 777 but not about his fleet..how accurate is this information?
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Old 23rd Jan 2017, 15:54
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Information coming from a vietnamese Cpt, well connected to the mng. Now if it is true.......I can not say .
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Old 24th Jan 2017, 14:27
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Originally Posted by kimono1950
Information coming from a vietnamese Cpt, well connected to the mng. Now if it is true.......I can not say .
Its not. Stop spreading lies. Enough already. You insult the management then pass on information you say you have from them.

They have not sacked 35 fos.

If you dont like it. Leave.
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