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[Barney Rock]

Willful unreported Engine pod damage at NRT

My understanding was that he did not escape; vigilance on the part of maintenance and the later crew found the damage caused in NRT. Of course he tried to deny it and pin it on someone else but the AIMs report showed the bank angle at touchdown.

However intense bootlicking and arse licking on his behalf by dd, that kenyan snake masquerading as an oz adder got him off lightly. Whoa, reptiles of the same kind hissed together!

[Molokai]

Is this the same bloke mentioned in the Jet recruitment in SEA thread? Maybe Kaptin M can tell us about reporting such dangerous individual to the Japanese Safety authorities. I sure wouldn't like to be taking off or landing after someone with any fuselage or engine pod contact with runway and not reporting. Any part coming off can cause damage to other aicrafts like the catastrophic Concorde fiery crash at CDG.

[Paishinel]

Barney and others formerly from Kimchiland....you must really enlighten us on the going ons over there. With the current recruitment drive, many peolple are making a bee line for SEL; would be great to get a real low down on the place before one commits to moving there.

[Brianigham]

Mas Guy wrote:

MAPA is a Joke and run by clowns!

Pray....please tell sir. details details details.

[Mat Tongkang]

A lot of guys knows the background of the MAPA people. The prez did harbour ambitions of being in top management and was in a quasi management position sometime ago despite misgivings about his technical and command ability. Many were shocked when his " patrons " made him A330 SIP even though years ago he shut down a perfectly good engine merely due to a spurious oil pressure warning light WITHOUT crosschecking the actual oil pressure gauge and other parameters. As usual he was let off without barely a whimper from flight safety ( under the infamous camel then ). So you see, these blokes have hidden patrons and unseen hands protecting them as they go about being " sleepers " in the dark play of MAPA/management tango. A guy who did not have hidden support wouldn't have been let off that easily, especially by the camel.
So guys, delve deep and research before you put your total faith in MAPA.

[Brianigham]

I say " Mat tongkang" that was not the kind of details i was looking for la.
That may have happened quite some time ago. I probably wasnt around yet.
Don't think Kamil is a force at all now though.
The current prez has done so much for us la. We got that 25% pay rise on basic and some 60% on productivity.....i forget details. So many many issues are settled and are being settled.Prductivity is now tax free. The other senior exco guys have also put their neck out for us and we have not lost a single thing in our MOU for a long time now.
Even the previous exco was not too bad la. I think all teams suffer from fatigue. We then have to pick from amongst ourselves people who are capable of holding the fort for the next few years. I remember the time when Johan was president. He was very very instrumental in putting MAPA in good shape. Boy did he grow some grey hairs. Even Nawawi did us some service. The truth of the matter is us the boys need to open our eyes and see clearly. Many blame Nawawi for the loss of ten days in annual leave. I actually met Nawawi and Nik after their meeting with HR with the final deal, before they put it to the floor. They were not happy at all with what they had to present to us. I know they did hella ve lot of work. I told them outright that my vote was no! Reject!, but the mandate was then to bring it to the members.
We as a team voted yes. We did it to ourselves. The reason for that is that generally speaking "as a people" we are spineless. There are times when we have gotta be good followers. The presidents put their necks out when they call for the book to be adhered to. Mind you we are in boleh land. The pilots dont waste a single breath in accepting the first Under table deal. Therefore .....no strength. Of course there are a few hardcore fellas who will stand behind the people they voted in. This is what keeps us going la bro.
The other option is for us to vote with our feet.
I am really saddened by many of the post about and from guys who have left MH. Those who are still here salute you guys and always wish you blue skies and green backs, however we always end up seeing postings comparing those who have left and the daft who stay.
Not all who left are the cream of the crop, of course now with lenny going, thats a lot of cream wasted la. Kudos lenny!
There are some real great blokes who are still around. Some of us like myself ( not ace la , just plain ol line pilot), who are actually living our dreams. Sure .....comparatively the cash is a little sad,but I look forward to every flight. I can still conjure up a few "sardine packed" taxi rides with our set, the great card games. The late night chats and innocent walks down by the riverside KCH with the girls.Nowadays we take the sampan across the river for some good seafood. Its still a very nice place to work, when you take your eyes away from the rot thats happening with admin.
Some of us who are from around KL, get to have dinner at our parents place and with our inlaws. The kids grow up with gramps and tug along to the golf course to be awed and spoilt silly by the old men.....
When dad goes in for that angioplasty ( god forbid ) we pick the phone up and tell the FM "geng" ......its done!
Of course there is the -ve. The new lords have decided that pilots now report to 2 lady bosses who are not pilots. Well thats sad. Now we have these 2 questioning pilots on why they do this and that.The legacy of the MAS pilot is fast drawing to a close. What we need is a U turn.
I seriously belief ( like the miss usa NC) thata osama the time we lose out, but a if we helpa countries like the south africa and eyeraq, we will one day be able to pick ourselves up.
If you are ex MH......wish us well la bro.
Wish us a good flight ops team and a good mapa team, then we can build up to a good MH team.
It just must be done.

[EY777]

Well said Brianigham.

I for one believe some of these posters are "old school".Very bitter indeed.You reap what you sow

I have fought the fight & now looking after my family's welfare.For those that stayed to fight on, all the best & good luck, unfortunately, my view is that you guys now are in a deeper rut & mindless conspiracies.

[Brianigham]

Thank you bro. EY777 from the land of.....aaaah berianee how I miss thee.
And the deeper rut is quite evident. Boy do we need some help from the ballot box!
And to all my Ex MH friends "Salute/Salams/Bonjour'.......Gee..."kimchi? I guess. All the best to you guys. Selamat Hari Raya to all my muslim friends.

[flightdeckXXX]

I would agree to some of what Brainigham said. But for one thing I must disgree is about the signing away our 10 days annual leave. He did not explained enough to the members the value of that 42 days which equivalent to 30 days (after minus the 2 days of weekend per week of leave). And with road show during the satay party, neither him and his exco try hard enough with the campaign to reject (as what you said that he was not happy with the final offer). Also, when he got into the management post together with his right hand man, both doesn't seem to acknowledge that wearing two hats is no good to the welfare of the association plus his credibility as the President. How would you feel if every Prez and his men wearing two hats and still claim that they are on your side? If it's OK with him, it must be OK for the present Prez and the future one.

[boltak]

Some of the issues may be history but they say that those who fail to learn from history will repeat the same mistakes. And if keep making the same mistakes then how to move up the learning curve? Maybe be like the management. From Crew Mismanagement System graduate to Idiotic Crew Management System and now doing post-graduate Completely Mismange System (hopefully not) How many millions down.

[Brianigham]

Yes you are right Flightdeckxxx. I have talked to many people about this over the past few years. Those who were working closely with MAPA during Niks time actually were very much against the idea of accepting the deal. Most other people I talk to about this episode seem to share your sentiments bro. That there was not enough proper understanding on what we were about to sign away. It was very very clear to me though.

There were no satay parties after this offer bro.It went straight to the EGM.I remember very clearly that Nawawi actually reiterated that if they ask for leave we must stand firm and say NO. Bro.....nobody was standing. PungKH resigned from training....who else?. What else. Let me tell you bro... I was an FO who lost all respect for the Captains I flew with that did not want to make a stand. Sad bro....if you were around during that time I am sure you saw what happened.

Wearing 2 hats: Yes this I agree. They did not seem to think that this was a problem. Hmmmm This should not happen. The funtion and priorities of higher management and MAPA leadership overlap only very very very rarely.

We all have our own perceptions on people who are in MAPA leadership and that is our individual right. The Pilots in management have also never ceased to amaze us with the speed at which the forget how to take care of the boys.....and you know what ....that is their right.

It is our right however to decide if we are going to be taken for a ride by any of them. In all things.....pilots really need to stick together and use that brains we are supposed to have. All the best to all of us.

[flightdeckXXX]

Bro, what to do...Looking at the loss, for every 3 years, it's 36 days (12 X 3) which is equivalent to a month's salary. And if one in the company for 10 years, it's 120 days, which means a loss of 4 months salary, bro... Many of us were looking at short term gain as compare to long term loss. That was the stand that most pilots made at the time. So, they made their stand...On which side do they stand? You know lah...

Cheers bro, and Happy Raya.

P.S. didn't know he left training coz of this. Anyhow, heard the KimciLand made him as LCP and now as Auditor. Syabas Fredie!

[Brianigham]

Yes bro, from what I remember, which may be flawed due passage of time, he was one of the first to rise and will forever be remebered as a patriot. Miss him much! ....thanks for the update. very happy for him.

[flightdeckXXX]

Brianigham, you are right. The EGM was conducted right after the offer given. However, as MAPA Prez and exco members that deal directly with management team during the negotiation, it's him and his team to clearly explained why the annual leave should not be reduced to the management. No need to get the mandate of the members. One must understand that pilots get:

1. no weekends
2. no public holidays
3. no overtime pay even working on public holidays (unlike all other ground staffs.)
4. missing much of the festive holidays due to extra flights during that period
5. bonded for career progression/promotion (no bond for ground engineers for type rating course/training. Ground staffs at times were sent for some sort of training/courses on company's expenses)

Looking at it, that 42 days is just a thin layer of icing on the cake to compensate for what we are not getting.

[flightdeckXXX]

loss of oil pressure

Dear Mat Tongkang,

One must understand that loss of oil pressure whether it is genuine of not, a shutdown is required. One cannot assume that the fault is spurious once the warning LOP light and pressure gauge confirmed it, even if the oil quantity is full. But one can keep the engine running if the oil pressure is good (and no LOP light) even the oil quantity indicated zero. I believe (this was many years ago, haven't flown the 73 since then), the checklist required us to check the oil press gauge also, not just the LOP light before shutting down the engine. It does not ask to check the oil quantity. Of course if the quantity is zero, and oil press is low and LOP light ON, it's a sure case due to loss of oil in the engine that cause the oil pressure to drop.

I may miss something here. Correct me if I'm wrong or my statement here is not accurate.

[Brianigham]

flightdeckxxx,
You are absolutely right. It was their job to impress upon management that the offer was not acceptable, however we, the people, took that "right" away from them. We insisted on seeing the final final offer and did not give them the chance/mandate to reject it before tabling it. Nik on the night before the EGM was already deflated.( we had a little arguement about the offer) He knew it would be accepted. But still I shouldn't make excuses. The package ......if sold well enough on the correct points ( which is the exco's responsibility/ie to correctly educate) I believe, could very well have seen different results.
Its a real bummer! But thats what we have today, a measly 32 days.....that is....if you get it....ha ha ha . What a pain in the neck.
I remember running around telling everyone I knew to reject it, but with such low salaries.....if you remember those days.....anything to get a payrise was acceptable. We were desperate to see the money.
It was, and to a certain extent still is the mentality of many pilots that you must "give away" something.....to get a payrise. They call it "give and take". Wrong understanding of the phrase, I'd say.
Shock treatment is sometimes required to wake people in this comatose up, and realise that we are not that low. I am glad that many of these people have woken up since. remember the Last MoU, there were some folks who were only too eager to give up FRCL travel for a payrise. You don't need to sell the shirt on your back, MH pilots.
We live and learn. One sure thing that is a must have , is strong togetherness and higher self worth. The attrition of our colleagues to greener pastures was that shock treatment. It emboldened many of us and we are now able to look beyond the 4 grey walls that surround us.( I know, I know we still chose to stay within these walls) This realisation is power. At least we realise that while we are here we can actually get a flower pot and "fruit basket".
Whether you stay or go, pilots worldwide have it in their hands to get the picture right within this next few years before the tide changes.
All the best to all of us.
Cheers!

[Marcellus Wallace]

Brianigham - from your style of writing I can guess who you are kawan. We may have shared many conversations at the top floor of the Hyatt BKI or the flightdeck of the "Super Ranger". San Francisco?

I still miss my extended family and friends and of course the food.

Most of us have no ill feeling towards MH and guys who remain in MH. We may be critical at times maybe because we loved or still have a soft spot for it and hope for it to do better. There are still a lot of guys with talent.

Your quote
"Not all who left are the cream of the crop."

Ignore the guys who post with venom and like to compare - they are probably some of the more immature ones boasting about their new found wealth - but have forgotten where they come from. They are beginning to sound like sour cream.

By all means leave if you wan't to but do it properly. I paid my dues. It's bad karma to do otherwise - it may catch up with you some day.

[Brianigham]

Thank you Marcellus Wallace,

Ha Ha Ha .....lets keep it a mystery bro.....no fun la otherwise.....Super Ranger.....yes of course......13th floor BKI ....most definitely.....but frisco....aiya.....wasn't that blessed bro.

Points noted sir, and well appreciated.

We have a new stream emanating from good ol MH "airline pilot training school," flowing out to the shores of AA X.

I wish them well. You guys heard who is back ya! The main man himself!

I have a scarry good feeling about AsiaX. With the right angle, they could do pretty well.

[oztrekker]

For fltdeckxxx and others, I was in MH during the time of the engine shutdown due to only LOP light...I think that Mat Tongkang meant that only the LOP lite illuminated but the skipper did not confirm with oil pressure reading ( the oil pressure gauge did indicate normal pressure ) and indeed shutdown a good engine. I was one of the expat B734 instructor then and I couldn't believe that the skipper was later made instructor on the B734 and then SIP on A330. No doubt people do improve after mistakes made and should be given the benefit of the doubt, which I would gladly extend to any pilot. However I was involved in the investigation of the incident and I was indeed amazed at the lame excuses, belligerent attitude and complete disregard for genuine post incident counseling on good airmanship. Hence I do understand M T's reservations and I do sincerely counsel young uns to heed " old schoolers " input. Cheers & good luck!

[MAS Guy]

Remember the case of a Captain pushing CB in until it burn, then straight away being promoted from 737 to 747. So in MAS, if u F/U, u will get promoted if you know which a** to lick!