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hello MAS
hai guys...its been long time since i posted.
mapa president is doing a wonderful job....congrats capt h.
its about time that mapa considered a fix allowance for the exco....say president 10k,asst,vice,sec get 7k,... exco 5k.works out only about rm 50 ringgit per member.they are dedicating whole life for free,family life, personal committment and personal needs is being sacrificed for the asso.about time the members give back something to this selfless,dedicated people.this works out about rm 50 ringgit only per member.please vote rm 60 increase instead of rm10.heard of the kpi and esos.it totally unacceptable.
noooooo....dont protest or go against the OSA....but leave the place.
TRANSMILE/AIRASIA/KOREA/VIETNAM/SINGAPORE/INDIA/MIDDLE E/EUROPE
is looking for you guys. our earlier mentors have made good name for us....
if you guys r happy with the 0.5 month complimentary money...GOD BLESS THIS MAS PILOTS.
guys .
i have left...having a comfortable life now...many of our guys are...please guys...think and think hard.......ur skills are good,thanks for our extreme training.WHEN A CONSULTANT IS GETTING MORE THAN A JUMBO CAPT. ITSSSSSSSSSSSSS TIME TO GO......
mapa president is doing a wonderful job....congrats capt h.
its about time that mapa considered a fix allowance for the exco....say president 10k,asst,vice,sec get 7k,... exco 5k.works out only about rm 50 ringgit per member.they are dedicating whole life for free,family life, personal committment and personal needs is being sacrificed for the asso.about time the members give back something to this selfless,dedicated people.this works out about rm 50 ringgit only per member.please vote rm 60 increase instead of rm10.heard of the kpi and esos.it totally unacceptable.
noooooo....dont protest or go against the OSA....but leave the place.
TRANSMILE/AIRASIA/KOREA/VIETNAM/SINGAPORE/INDIA/MIDDLE E/EUROPE
is looking for you guys. our earlier mentors have made good name for us....
if you guys r happy with the 0.5 month complimentary money...GOD BLESS THIS MAS PILOTS.
guys .
i have left...having a comfortable life now...many of our guys are...please guys...think and think hard.......ur skills are good,thanks for our extreme training.WHEN A CONSULTANT IS GETTING MORE THAN A JUMBO CAPT. ITSSSSSSSSSSSSS TIME TO GO......
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Leave MAS when you can
I left them a couple of years ago and havent looked backed since.
Only the brave and elite will leave.
For the 3rd rate please stay back, you will get ESOS and good KPI for being just ordinary.
Only the brave and elite will leave.
For the 3rd rate please stay back, you will get ESOS and good KPI for being just ordinary.
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che xindamail,
cant understand ur post...can you further explain.
for the rest mas.....many ex around the world ...nil complain.IJ just made a big mess...so was the last guy munir.among all TR was still okay.he had honour among thiefs.if u guys dont react,nothing will change in this co.
and che xin...if u cant post something nice than please dont waste ur internet money.
cant understand ur post...can you further explain.
for the rest mas.....many ex around the world ...nil complain.IJ just made a big mess...so was the last guy munir.among all TR was still okay.he had honour among thiefs.if u guys dont react,nothing will change in this co.
and che xin...if u cant post something nice than please dont waste ur internet money.
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Ikan, with due respect to you "braveness" to venture out there are many excellent MAS pilots ( who are certainly NOT THIRD RATE ) who choose to remain for very good reasons of their own...like family commitments and filiel peity which you may find hard to understand. I jumped ship a long time ago but I respect my former colleagues who chose to remain for various reasons. I wished more of the senoir ones would leave which will certainly send a clear message to the management, but alas it was not to be. It is hoped that with the current recruitment drive in the Asian region will spur more to venture forth.
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Dear b737400,
What Che Xindamail meant by not drinking and posting is that perhaps you were drunk when you sat at your computer and composed your post. " I must say I do agree with him "
Firstly let me address the MAPA (malay airline pilots association) issue. MAPA is the most useless con-job of any pilots association I have ever come across in the world. They have a MoU with MAS, well an MoU is not legally binding and cannot be upheld in a court of law. At least the ground staff have a collective agreement (legally binding) and are unionised. Thats a darn sight better and smarter than the so called smart pilots in MAS and their crappy association (non unionised). The management take great care to negotiate with the ground staff for reasons explained above but could not give a damn what is written into the MoU for reasons explained above. In fact the MoU is just a gentleman's agreement based on a handshake and written on toilet paper. What a load of CRAP. and now this pay rubbish is just another con-job to give the useless MAPA EXCO buggers money for not doing F%*k all. You guys are more stupid than I thought even considering it rather that voting on it. Have you ever seen the EXCO suck holes behind closed doors. They are like mice, quivering and shaking. They never stand up to the management and JUMP AT ANY OPPORTUNITY TO ADVANCE THEMSELVES. But when they are amongst you they talk the big talk and tell you about the great fight they had on your behalf behind those closed doors. And guess what, you stupid fellows believe them.
Regarding TR. How can you even think he was sane. Look at the bloody damage that fool created and you even consider him as "still ok" Perhaps you have not been drinking but are on happy drugs. What an insane statement. "You must be on the EXCO to have the brains to make that kind statement" Perhaps you are the quality of people representing the pilots of MAS.
MAS has just come out of years of substantial debt. In fact the taxpayers will be paying for the mismanagement monetary costs for decades because the losses of billions were merely set aside in the asset unbundling and set up of PNB as the lessor, in reality the actual losses were absorbed into future governmental budgets.
So now after the company is struggling out of the red into the black and after the pilots have had a pay rise you want more money. Well what about the ground staff. Their pay is total crap the poor baggage loader or the check in staff. WHAT ABOUT THEM !!! Do you give a flying fart about the others in MAS besides the primadona pilots. If you had a team concept you would take a pay cut to enable the other members of your team mainly the ground staff to have a reasonable pay.
The Bottom line is that you pilots are a greedy lot and have zero negotiation skills or timing. You are willing to kill the goose thats laying the golden eggs just to get one egg quickly. You have absolutely zero foresight and purely live in the moment. Go on, waste fuel, report sick and leave for other airlines and watch MAS open its doors to expats with terms and conditions you wish you had because that is what is going to happen. The lazy, self centred, greedy bumi attitude you have will be your downfall.
What Che Xindamail meant by not drinking and posting is that perhaps you were drunk when you sat at your computer and composed your post. " I must say I do agree with him "
Firstly let me address the MAPA (malay airline pilots association) issue. MAPA is the most useless con-job of any pilots association I have ever come across in the world. They have a MoU with MAS, well an MoU is not legally binding and cannot be upheld in a court of law. At least the ground staff have a collective agreement (legally binding) and are unionised. Thats a darn sight better and smarter than the so called smart pilots in MAS and their crappy association (non unionised). The management take great care to negotiate with the ground staff for reasons explained above but could not give a damn what is written into the MoU for reasons explained above. In fact the MoU is just a gentleman's agreement based on a handshake and written on toilet paper. What a load of CRAP. and now this pay rubbish is just another con-job to give the useless MAPA EXCO buggers money for not doing F%*k all. You guys are more stupid than I thought even considering it rather that voting on it. Have you ever seen the EXCO suck holes behind closed doors. They are like mice, quivering and shaking. They never stand up to the management and JUMP AT ANY OPPORTUNITY TO ADVANCE THEMSELVES. But when they are amongst you they talk the big talk and tell you about the great fight they had on your behalf behind those closed doors. And guess what, you stupid fellows believe them.
Regarding TR. How can you even think he was sane. Look at the bloody damage that fool created and you even consider him as "still ok" Perhaps you have not been drinking but are on happy drugs. What an insane statement. "You must be on the EXCO to have the brains to make that kind statement" Perhaps you are the quality of people representing the pilots of MAS.
MAS has just come out of years of substantial debt. In fact the taxpayers will be paying for the mismanagement monetary costs for decades because the losses of billions were merely set aside in the asset unbundling and set up of PNB as the lessor, in reality the actual losses were absorbed into future governmental budgets.
So now after the company is struggling out of the red into the black and after the pilots have had a pay rise you want more money. Well what about the ground staff. Their pay is total crap the poor baggage loader or the check in staff. WHAT ABOUT THEM !!! Do you give a flying fart about the others in MAS besides the primadona pilots. If you had a team concept you would take a pay cut to enable the other members of your team mainly the ground staff to have a reasonable pay.
The Bottom line is that you pilots are a greedy lot and have zero negotiation skills or timing. You are willing to kill the goose thats laying the golden eggs just to get one egg quickly. You have absolutely zero foresight and purely live in the moment. Go on, waste fuel, report sick and leave for other airlines and watch MAS open its doors to expats with terms and conditions you wish you had because that is what is going to happen. The lazy, self centred, greedy bumi attitude you have will be your downfall.
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Sireh I agree with you. There are many 1st rate pilots who "choose" to remain and can be counted in the digits if the hand . Well and good and the pool of the remaining pilots are just 3rd rate and getting bigger.
The ORDINARY pilot gets the ESOS. I heard that is why the ESOS list is not published. Too ordinary to compare and get benchmark.
The ORDINARY pilot gets the ESOS. I heard that is why the ESOS list is not published. Too ordinary to compare and get benchmark.
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Sireh I agree with you. There are many 1st rate pilots who "choose" to remain and can be counted in the digits of both hands . Well and good and the pool of the remaining pilots are just 3rd rate and getting bigger.
The just ORDINARY pilots gets the ESOS. I heard that is why the ESOS list is not published. Too ordinary to compare and get benchmark.
Need to be EXTRA-ORDINARY, to stand above the crowd, then receive ESOS with the applauds of the pilot community. Sadly lacking
The just ORDINARY pilots gets the ESOS. I heard that is why the ESOS list is not published. Too ordinary to compare and get benchmark.
Need to be EXTRA-ORDINARY, to stand above the crowd, then receive ESOS with the applauds of the pilot community. Sadly lacking
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dear capt wooblah,fully agree with you.however as u know..pilots cant form a union,as such asso will have do to for know.
what happen behind close doors,i wouldnt know but i do know that the exco works extremely hard...especially the current team.
working condition in mas will never change from day one and so will the management.
my sincere wish for the rest of the pilots in mas is not to fight the system especially the kpi and esos but instead look for a greener zone somewhere else.
i am very annoyed that new consultants gets esos and salary from rm40k to rm 80k but not our pilots.as u know almost all of pilots have been with mas at least 15 yrs and above....
happy flying.
what happen behind close doors,i wouldnt know but i do know that the exco works extremely hard...especially the current team.
working condition in mas will never change from day one and so will the management.
my sincere wish for the rest of the pilots in mas is not to fight the system especially the kpi and esos but instead look for a greener zone somewhere else.
i am very annoyed that new consultants gets esos and salary from rm40k to rm 80k but not our pilots.as u know almost all of pilots have been with mas at least 15 yrs and above....
happy flying.
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it's amazing the way they decide to pay ESOS but decided to twitch their ear when i asked about my due salary for flying the twin otters more than a year ago..and it's just a month salary...no big deal....
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ssangyongs...get you money first
ssangyongs....ever thought of leaving. Go on think about it.
Its fun out here. Great people and good atmosphere in Middle East. Good food.
Its fun out here. Great people and good atmosphere in Middle East. Good food.
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well i think i'm too young and inexperienced for middle east job..maybe in years time...as for my salary i've been writing to his and her in HR department, calls after calls, but they ask me to wait...maybe something to do with ESOS. i can wait..but there's always a limit..
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well ss,cant remember munir's activity except the paintings and the office reno.i do remember the gm hr..mr.yusoff.a white haired gentlement.is he still around and where is the toad now..opps sorry datuk toad.
we can go around till kingdom comes ( sampai kucing bertanduk) about mas management ( or rather mis-management).unfortunetely we cant do anything about it....well as everyone says mapa is powerless,only a asso not a union.
its about time pilots as individuals make the change.......its greener in some places( sometimes its HOTTTTTTT).
clown and cronies will still run the place even in flt ops.....how many IP's and AE's that you know tat doesnt deserve the post.i know a few..but its not their fault..it cronism.
guys...you are the front liners...without you guys there is no t/o.u guys dont deserve this ****s .dont just stand and watch....resign.
even airasia looks better now........at least they got excellent pr management.
ps: how about having a forum/blog/website for all mas/ex-mas/malaysian pilots.
we can go around till kingdom comes ( sampai kucing bertanduk) about mas management ( or rather mis-management).unfortunetely we cant do anything about it....well as everyone says mapa is powerless,only a asso not a union.
its about time pilots as individuals make the change.......its greener in some places( sometimes its HOTTTTTTT).
clown and cronies will still run the place even in flt ops.....how many IP's and AE's that you know tat doesnt deserve the post.i know a few..but its not their fault..it cronism.
guys...you are the front liners...without you guys there is no t/o.u guys dont deserve this ****s .dont just stand and watch....resign.
even airasia looks better now........at least they got excellent pr management.
ps: how about having a forum/blog/website for all mas/ex-mas/malaysian pilots.
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sorry, a little off topic about the FUTURE Generation of MAS's pilot ____________________________________________________________ ____
i don't know about the old generations of MAS pilots. I'm sure there are good ones and bad ones. But for the coming generation,
ok, i've been schooling with them, 60-70% of them, couldn't read METAR, TAF, Synoptics charts, and still PASS CA6 with marvelous marks... how come? they cannot differenciate POLAR MARITIME and Tropical MARITIME but still pass MET THEORY
Some of them couldn't even plot POSITION LINE on Navigation chart, but still pass navigation, how come?
some of them, couldn't do flight planning,Interpolate? >? Performance CHART CAP 385, use of this graph? that graph? yet, all pass...
MAS are training these new breeds of pilots while letting the old and experienced ones leave.
i don't know about the old generations of MAS pilots. I'm sure there are good ones and bad ones. But for the coming generation,
ok, i've been schooling with them, 60-70% of them, couldn't read METAR, TAF, Synoptics charts, and still PASS CA6 with marvelous marks... how come? they cannot differenciate POLAR MARITIME and Tropical MARITIME but still pass MET THEORY
Some of them couldn't even plot POSITION LINE on Navigation chart, but still pass navigation, how come?
some of them, couldn't do flight planning,Interpolate? >? Performance CHART CAP 385, use of this graph? that graph? yet, all pass...
MAS are training these new breeds of pilots while letting the old and experienced ones leave.
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MC thanks for the info.
This is how Jala going to flood the market with cadet pilots and SO so that MAS will not have a shortage of pilots.There are 300 cadets in the various flying schools and how do you let them pass the CPL ground school?How do you maintain standards?Maybe jala thinks that it's like employing a bus driver,teach a monkey with time monkeywill learn.
The 737 is flooded with SOs doing line training.The IPs there are overworked,and i think they are not maintaining the standards looking at what new FOs or how they are performing.
Good indicator here.They recently scrapped the english test cos many were performing below the score line.What did they blame on?They blame the equipment that was used for the test.Now shouldn't you blame the candidate's english?Most of the new FO english is hardly passable,listen to their PA when you fly in one.When you brief them you better use Malay or else they ll never fully understand you(doesn't matter if FO is malay or non malay-english equally bad).
So guess what MC says if correct will filter down to operations in MAS.
And thank god i'm no longer there
This is how Jala going to flood the market with cadet pilots and SO so that MAS will not have a shortage of pilots.There are 300 cadets in the various flying schools and how do you let them pass the CPL ground school?How do you maintain standards?Maybe jala thinks that it's like employing a bus driver,teach a monkey with time monkeywill learn.
The 737 is flooded with SOs doing line training.The IPs there are overworked,and i think they are not maintaining the standards looking at what new FOs or how they are performing.
Good indicator here.They recently scrapped the english test cos many were performing below the score line.What did they blame on?They blame the equipment that was used for the test.Now shouldn't you blame the candidate's english?Most of the new FO english is hardly passable,listen to their PA when you fly in one.When you brief them you better use Malay or else they ll never fully understand you(doesn't matter if FO is malay or non malay-english equally bad).
So guess what MC says if correct will filter down to operations in MAS.
And thank god i'm no longer there
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a little bit off topic, how does MAS Kargo recruit their flight crew? apart from greener pastures abroad does anybody know why JJ ong left? he kept the cargo ops profitable when mas was bleeding (bocor) millions of mullah..does their operation is separated from the mainline mas?
gremlins at work again? my replied has been shortened but nevermind...
gremlins at work again? my replied has been shortened but nevermind...
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Ikan,
good for you but if the once mighty greenback plunges further you may have to do much rethinking. There certainly many honorable and proficient MAS pilots who remain loyal and happy to keep flying with the national flag carrier with no great grand plans to chase the almighty$.
good for you but if the once mighty greenback plunges further you may have to do much rethinking. There certainly many honorable and proficient MAS pilots who remain loyal and happy to keep flying with the national flag carrier with no great grand plans to chase the almighty$.
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Pendekar, agree with you 100%. As for b737400 don't get your hopes too high. Do know the current mob in Mapa; just biding time to spring a coup ala toady. Years of association and flying with these guys allow me to form this opinion and I am sure many in the know agree with me. Having said that, your suggestion that the EXCO's expenses should be covered and an allowance be made for those days spent on association business is a good one albeit mooted a long time ago already. The quetion is how to manage it. We all know the time when the bhai guru and cohoots pocketted funds meant for the annual dinner etc; day light robbery but nobody took charge to order a scrutiny and so dedicated Mapa members came away fools.
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Hello bungacengkeh,
Tanah melayu no longer exists...it's ala kaput. Only Malaysia hidup, and Malaysia would have reached great heights if not for bigots with sentiments like you bringing us all down to the pits. The same story with MAS; are you guys all blind, deaf and heart/brain dead? The malaise that Malaysia has come to be is all out there for all to see notwithsatanding the short memories of most of our fellow citizens.
Tanah melayu no longer exists...it's ala kaput. Only Malaysia hidup, and Malaysia would have reached great heights if not for bigots with sentiments like you bringing us all down to the pits. The same story with MAS; are you guys all blind, deaf and heart/brain dead? The malaise that Malaysia has come to be is all out there for all to see notwithsatanding the short memories of most of our fellow citizens.