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Rp-c2818
RP-C2818 used to be cross hired with Omni. Rented it several times for IFR renewal. It was nice and neat back in 2002. I think it was parked at Woodland Aeropark for awhile. Saw it again around Omni in 2005/2006. It didn't look too good anymore. Hope it has been refurbished.
Last July, I heard it on 118.7. Radio check then a test flight.
Last July, I heard it on 118.7. Radio check then a test flight.
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what concerns me right now is that most of us waste gasoline/commute money each week going back and forth from Manila to Clark (which seems more expensive than flying an hour of 100LL every week or so, the normal pace for us) because we were told that all of us cadets will be grouped by 8's in order to facilitate a flow of constantly-finishing cadets starting by the end of the year... a few weeks later, nothing in our schedule has changed. not even a start date on when the re-coursing will commence. are they waiting for the rainy season to stop?
the only thing certain as far as everyone's concerned is posted on the bulletin board: ground school refresher... even that's not absolutely certain because the re-coursing (which hasn't taken place for everyone still in the core-flying phase) is subject to change and i won't be surprised if it will because i did see a few names on the re-coursed list who have already left the school.
*OT*
i don't know what's gotten into this thread over the past few weeks and to be honest, i don't really see how these politics of ownership and management directly affects us cadets since that ought to be the last thing on our minds right now... but racist rants are wrong. fine, there's freedom of expression on the Internet. i just wouldn't wanna be called a brown monkey or hear my Chinese friends being called intsik-beho-tulo-laway. stop the racism in these threads.
if worse comes to worst with the foreigners in the school, i used to work at this government office at Intramuros that deals with foreigners so i'd have an idea what to do. but please, understand that these foreigners are doing their job. let's give them a chance to help make our airline pilot dreams come true.
the only thing certain as far as everyone's concerned is posted on the bulletin board: ground school refresher... even that's not absolutely certain because the re-coursing (which hasn't taken place for everyone still in the core-flying phase) is subject to change and i won't be surprised if it will because i did see a few names on the re-coursed list who have already left the school.
*OT*
i don't know what's gotten into this thread over the past few weeks and to be honest, i don't really see how these politics of ownership and management directly affects us cadets since that ought to be the last thing on our minds right now... but racist rants are wrong. fine, there's freedom of expression on the Internet. i just wouldn't wanna be called a brown monkey or hear my Chinese friends being called intsik-beho-tulo-laway. stop the racism in these threads.
if worse comes to worst with the foreigners in the school, i used to work at this government office at Intramuros that deals with foreigners so i'd have an idea what to do. but please, understand that these foreigners are doing their job. let's give them a chance to help make our airline pilot dreams come true.
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The problem though is there are qualified Pinoy's who could do the job and it's for the state to protect their own citizens first. However CA (BA) don't like to pay us Pinoy's. A foreigner earns between 250 - 300K a month while they pay the same qualified Pinoy max 75K. Foreign investment act says that local workforce are to be used and foreigners are only supposed to be hired IF there are no local workers to do the job and they are only to be there till a local is found, however CA (BA) simply ignores the law
Foreign investment act says that local workforce are to be used and foreigners are only supposed to be hired IF there are no local workers to do the job and they are only to be there till a local is found
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funnydaytoday2, pre walang ganyanan..... below d belt yan e.
in fairness, I spoke to a person in ATO kasi I was curious and they said that his license overseas and flying time checks out. also, he is actually flying for someone now and doing GI at the same time for another.
in fairness, I spoke to a person in ATO kasi I was curious and they said that his license overseas and flying time checks out. also, he is actually flying for someone now and doing GI at the same time for another.
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not below the belt..yet
in fairness, I spoke to a person in ATO kasi I was curious and they said that his license overseas and flying time checks out
why do you think that he was the only FI that never got a license from the ATO.. I wont go on... cause if i do then it ll be below the belt!!!
Because of what happened before at CA, CA can now say that there are no qualified pinoys to do the job.. you think i like that!!??.. very unfortunate.... and as i hear it A S is at omni doing hes CPL.....
in any case.. its not below the belt...
its a shame things like this has happend,cause now it could be harder to justify to have pinoys doing the higher jobs.. something many of us want....
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Somewhat off-topic, but why is it Pinoys are among the best known pilots. I've never figured that out myself. Don't get the wrong idea. I'm not trying to be disrespectful, just very curious because I'm pinoy, too.
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Tsk Tsk Tsk...the great 8ball almost pulled a fast one on Bupak and almost got in as Airbus F.O., good thing the background checks exposed some glaring discrepancies..
Be careful what you say on PPrune...it'll someday get back to you..
Be careful what you say on PPrune...it'll someday get back to you..
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We have some strange folks onboard here, from my observations these past year, so I'm sure an extra one won't go amiss. You just carry on while I take a seat and observe and comment when it seems appropriate 
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Bloody "City Boys" and their fuel pricing games.. I hope their big fat yearly bonuses allow them to buy more guilt reducing potions... They make me 
I feel desperately sorry for these guys, especially as the non-believers will use it as an example of how the MPL shouldn't be trusted or used, now they'll never get jobs and the old ways are best etc..
You have my sympathy, and I hope its a short term blip in what should be a winning formula.
B.
I feel desperately sorry for these guys, especially as the non-believers will use it as an example of how the MPL shouldn't be trusted or used, now they'll never get jobs and the old ways are best etc..
You have my sympathy, and I hope its a short term blip in what should be a winning formula.
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Beatrix, my sentiments too. Funny how the media are keen to comment on things they don't have a bloody clue about. The suggestion that the MPL restricts them only to fly a B737, whereas a CPL/IR would allow them to fly any airplane (without a type rating)??
I also feel sorry for the non Cebu sponsored cadets at Clark in particular, because they haven't read the writing on the wall, and I mean this literally. They are not being told the truth. The Management put a notice on the notice board, dated 25 July in which it stated that each cadet must be aligned to a partner airline so that the cadet can finish the program using that partners airline's aircraft. This is simply not true. This is a JAA interpretation and not an ICAO stipulation. There is an agreement in place with Cebu to provide the required take offs and landings for all cadets, not just those sponsored by Cebu! It remains to be seen why they are perpetuating this falsehood, but you can be sure there is an agenda here, which will become clear in time. I'm very surprised the cadets haven't picked up on this yet.
The bit that made me smile most of all was the statement that "It is really a colossal disappointment that a simualtor was never ordered sooner", as if this was just an oversight. Do the Management really believe the Jinglies ever intended to put a simulator at Clark? Sure, they promised and they seem to promise many things, but the sad fact is that promises can and are often broken. Question is, do the Management really believe what they are being told, or are they aware of what the real intention is? Time will reveal all.
Back to Bikini Bottom for me; a real fantasy land!
I also feel sorry for the non Cebu sponsored cadets at Clark in particular, because they haven't read the writing on the wall, and I mean this literally. They are not being told the truth. The Management put a notice on the notice board, dated 25 July in which it stated that each cadet must be aligned to a partner airline so that the cadet can finish the program using that partners airline's aircraft. This is simply not true. This is a JAA interpretation and not an ICAO stipulation. There is an agreement in place with Cebu to provide the required take offs and landings for all cadets, not just those sponsored by Cebu! It remains to be seen why they are perpetuating this falsehood, but you can be sure there is an agenda here, which will become clear in time. I'm very surprised the cadets haven't picked up on this yet.
The bit that made me smile most of all was the statement that "It is really a colossal disappointment that a simualtor was never ordered sooner", as if this was just an oversight. Do the Management really believe the Jinglies ever intended to put a simulator at Clark? Sure, they promised and they seem to promise many things, but the sad fact is that promises can and are often broken. Question is, do the Management really believe what they are being told, or are they aware of what the real intention is? Time will reveal all.
Back to Bikini Bottom for me; a real fantasy land!
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Downturn throws MPL pilots on scrapheap
Downturn throws MPL pilots on scrapheap
Multi-crew pilot licence pioneer Sterling Airlines has dismissed the world's first nine MPL first officers to have reached line flying as part of cutbacks forced on it by high fuel prices and the economic downturn.
The dismissal had nothing to do with the pilots' skills, the airline confirms, but the carrier was applying the last-in, first-out principle that most operators employ when faced with the need for redundancies.
The Danish carrier, which has laid off 61 employees, says it is working hard to find other placements for all its redundant pilots, but admits that the MPL first officers have a particular problem in finding alternative jobs because they were trained specifically to Sterling standard operating procedures and have a licence of which other airlines have no experience.
The first four MPL first officers began line flying in October last year having graduated from Denmark's Center Air Pilot Academy and completed type rating training with Sterling. Capt Per Lilja, Sterling's chief training pilot, says they had completed line acceptance flying from the carrier's Oslo base within 22 days having flown 49 sectors, and were coping well with Norway's winter operating conditions.
Now they are out of work. The academy's type rating training instructor for the MPL course Capt Jens Frost says they could work for another airline following an operator conversion course - a normal practice to familiarise any pilot with an airline's standard operating procedures - but the lack of familiarity of other airlines with the MPL concept is proving an obstacle in practice.
Frost admits that one of the options the MPL first officers are having to consider is converting their MPL to a traditional commercial pilot licence and instrument rating (CPL/IR), which would entail gaining 30h more time as pilot in command, and about 15h flying in a Piper Arrow or similar type to prepare for the single-pilot skill tests that the CPL/IR demands.
Frost says there are, at present, practically no single-pilot commercial jobs, but at least the pilots would have gained a qualification with which airlines are familiar.
Multi-crew pilot licence pioneer Sterling Airlines has dismissed the world's first nine MPL first officers to have reached line flying as part of cutbacks forced on it by high fuel prices and the economic downturn.
The dismissal had nothing to do with the pilots' skills, the airline confirms, but the carrier was applying the last-in, first-out principle that most operators employ when faced with the need for redundancies.
The Danish carrier, which has laid off 61 employees, says it is working hard to find other placements for all its redundant pilots, but admits that the MPL first officers have a particular problem in finding alternative jobs because they were trained specifically to Sterling standard operating procedures and have a licence of which other airlines have no experience.
The first four MPL first officers began line flying in October last year having graduated from Denmark's Center Air Pilot Academy and completed type rating training with Sterling. Capt Per Lilja, Sterling's chief training pilot, says they had completed line acceptance flying from the carrier's Oslo base within 22 days having flown 49 sectors, and were coping well with Norway's winter operating conditions.
Now they are out of work. The academy's type rating training instructor for the MPL course Capt Jens Frost says they could work for another airline following an operator conversion course - a normal practice to familiarise any pilot with an airline's standard operating procedures - but the lack of familiarity of other airlines with the MPL concept is proving an obstacle in practice.
Frost admits that one of the options the MPL first officers are having to consider is converting their MPL to a traditional commercial pilot licence and instrument rating (CPL/IR), which would entail gaining 30h more time as pilot in command, and about 15h flying in a Piper Arrow or similar type to prepare for the single-pilot skill tests that the CPL/IR demands.
Frost says there are, at present, practically no single-pilot commercial jobs, but at least the pilots would have gained a qualification with which airlines are familiar.
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Half of course A are already a week into the A320 ground school. The remaining half will finish their final MCC sorties by Monday/Tuesday this coming week. Wishing the very best for these cadets!
Batch B most of them are almost done with the IF phase. Just waiting for PC4. Batch C most have just started IF and are giving way for batch B. Batch D has just completed the grnd school refresher. Waiting for IF slots now.
On saturday the course reps had meeting with the CFI and target dates were given for MCC start dates for batch B to E.
Safe flt to all...
Cheers...
Batch B most of them are almost done with the IF phase. Just waiting for PC4. Batch C most have just started IF and are giving way for batch B. Batch D has just completed the grnd school refresher. Waiting for IF slots now.
On saturday the course reps had meeting with the CFI and target dates were given for MCC start dates for batch B to E.
Safe flt to all...
Cheers...
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Invitation to Clark Aviaiton
Hi,
Does Clark Av have an intake of new batches of students?
Is CebuPac still offering sponsorships or are they offering new financing schemes?
I actually receive an invitation email today from Clark Av re: an assembly to be held on sept 3-5 10am.
Thanks,
Does Clark Av have an intake of new batches of students?
Is CebuPac still offering sponsorships or are they offering new financing schemes?
I actually receive an invitation email today from Clark Av re: an assembly to be held on sept 3-5 10am.
Thanks,
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Hi eg6racer, I also got that invitation from Clark Aviation. I decided to give them a call first regarding what will be discussed.
Basically, they are inviting us to be part of the coming October batch and they will only require us to pay half of the training fee (USD 45,000). They will then look for an airline which can sponsor the other half of the training during the course of our training.
I do not like the terms since there is no guarantee that they will find an airline to sponsor the other half of the training cost. And the terms with the airline (either it will be a salary deduction or bond for x years) is not yet set.
Regarding Cebu Pacific, I contacted their HR and they said that they are not yet offering sponsorships in the near future...
Basically, they are inviting us to be part of the coming October batch and they will only require us to pay half of the training fee (USD 45,000). They will then look for an airline which can sponsor the other half of the training during the course of our training.
I do not like the terms since there is no guarantee that they will find an airline to sponsor the other half of the training cost. And the terms with the airline (either it will be a salary deduction or bond for x years) is not yet set.
Regarding Cebu Pacific, I contacted their HR and they said that they are not yet offering sponsorships in the near future...
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that means CA wont be able to recover the other half of the training cost if they could not find an airline for us -- risk spreads over the students and the school. this gives the school a lot of incentives to find for partner airlines to recover their costs. but who gives guaranteed jobs nowadays? even if i finish CPL/IR, i am not guaranteed a job in an airline either. opportunity arrives only for those who are prepared.
I heard that there is a gathering in Bangkok for MPL forum as more and more civil aviation authoritities and airlines are contemplating or about to open MPL in their respective countries. see Halldale: About APATS
I heard that there is a gathering in Bangkok for MPL forum as more and more civil aviation authoritities and airlines are contemplating or about to open MPL in their respective countries. see Halldale: About APATS
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does that mean if they cannot find you a partner airline they will ask you to pay the other half or CA really needs to find you a partner airline so they can recover the other half of the training cost?