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veloo i'll call you someday after wednesday i'm quite occupied by now.
A question:
Which tower KUL tracon situated? Main tower or airside tower near cargo and LCC?
You're right man rm100 million is nothing for government. Chan Kong Choi sign the check today, tomorrow rm100 million will be cleared by bank/treasury. Plus what i'm seeing now everything about AK and MH or MAHB will get ministry highest priority.
ATCers are you going to get extra salary(civil servant pay rise) from next month?
A question:
Which tower KUL tracon situated? Main tower or airside tower near cargo and LCC?
You're right man rm100 million is nothing for government. Chan Kong Choi sign the check today, tomorrow rm100 million will be cleared by bank/treasury. Plus what i'm seeing now everything about AK and MH or MAHB will get ministry highest priority.
ATCers are you going to get extra salary(civil servant pay rise) from next month?
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KLIA tracon
Hi ssangyongs...tracon is as follows:
from my colleague at KLIA it depends on where the tfc is. If for eg facing the main tower even though at satellite, it will be controlled by main twr. It also includes tfc at the Main Terminal Bldg. However tfc at satellite plus LCCT plus cargo is controlled by apron twr, the smaller or shorter one. Both the towers have surface movement radars (SMR). Yep my friend, we r getting new pay rise in July. Across the board take home additional RM500-1000 depending on category(middle income group) Not bad for civil service. The notion that higher pay means better or harder they will work doesnt hold water because what matters is the equipment that is avbl at the moment. One can take home a fat pay but if the computer sys that is being used to deliver the service is kaput, what can the civil servant do? Think about that. If an ATCler has to tx three times to get a message across then it is not the civil servant but the radio that needs to be changed, not repaired or modified.Will wait for yr call.
from my colleague at KLIA it depends on where the tfc is. If for eg facing the main tower even though at satellite, it will be controlled by main twr. It also includes tfc at the Main Terminal Bldg. However tfc at satellite plus LCCT plus cargo is controlled by apron twr, the smaller or shorter one. Both the towers have surface movement radars (SMR). Yep my friend, we r getting new pay rise in July. Across the board take home additional RM500-1000 depending on category(middle income group) Not bad for civil service. The notion that higher pay means better or harder they will work doesnt hold water because what matters is the equipment that is avbl at the moment. One can take home a fat pay but if the computer sys that is being used to deliver the service is kaput, what can the civil servant do? Think about that. If an ATCler has to tx three times to get a message across then it is not the civil servant but the radio that needs to be changed, not repaired or modified.Will wait for yr call.
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maybe. 20 planes for domestic operation seems to much for me. It's etops 120 certified aircraft.
from bases in Penang, KK, JB, Subang. Maybe to near neighbouring countries destination. From KK maybe to Kalimantan and Mindanao.
From Subang to most part of Malaysia plus batam, palembang, medan, padang and acheh.
From Penang to medan, maybe the furthest to KK
Just an amateur analysis by me.
from bases in Penang, KK, JB, Subang. Maybe to near neighbouring countries destination. From KK maybe to Kalimantan and Mindanao.
From Subang to most part of Malaysia plus batam, palembang, medan, padang and acheh.
From Penang to medan, maybe the furthest to KK
Just an amateur analysis by me.
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Hi veloo,
I flew in couple of days ago after a long long time..any idea why Klia Rwy 14R so bumpy 3/4 way down right around the aircraft rotation area. Any complains so far? Hope its not like the Jln Duta Courts workmanship...it used to be so smooth and nice..
I flew in couple of days ago after a long long time..any idea why Klia Rwy 14R so bumpy 3/4 way down right around the aircraft rotation area. Any complains so far? Hope its not like the Jln Duta Courts workmanship...it used to be so smooth and nice..
"the 1/4 part of the 14R..that is a SOALAN cepumas...
the contractor for the upgrading work is still doing their study on it....but what i can say that the bumpiness is due to the different material compared to the existing runway pavement...some more...the grooving on the new part has yet to be carry out..."
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Limited Bays at SZB
Firefly will soon be buzzing around at SZB.The question is whether MAB is prepared with its bays.Now that the bays seemed to be taken over by hangars where will Firefly park its ATR72's? Rumour is that they will be utilizing Hangar 1. Can anyone confirm this. ATC would like to know more of Firefly's plans at SZB so that some form of smooth flow can be worked out.Remember u r going to use SZB as a hub so it will be good that some form of meetings begin to roll. Dont wait for the last minute syndrome or the usual 'we'll cross the bridge when we come to it'.
I am assuming the recent Nuri crash had got you thinking.
By looking at the previous crashes,most of it happened at places with thick forest remote area like interior Sarawak, etc. Nuri does not carry any electronic signaling device plus its colour is meant to blend in with the forest. Thus, the search and rescue is harder than a civilian case. But In this country, There is just too little civilian crashes to actually gauge the efficiency of the SAR team.The one case I can remember is the trainer that went down at Penang. I believe the fisherman got to the cadet pilot 1st.
IMHO, funding(the lack of it) is biggest issue here.If this country wants to get up to the mark ( sure need that as the traffic had increased significantly), the government must be willing to spend this money,Instead of knee jerk action jumping into to buying new helicopters. On another hand, the Nuri fleet is also long overdue to be replaced.
By looking at the previous crashes,most of it happened at places with thick forest remote area like interior Sarawak, etc. Nuri does not carry any electronic signaling device plus its colour is meant to blend in with the forest. Thus, the search and rescue is harder than a civilian case. But In this country, There is just too little civilian crashes to actually gauge the efficiency of the SAR team.The one case I can remember is the trainer that went down at Penang. I believe the fisherman got to the cadet pilot 1st.
IMHO, funding(the lack of it) is biggest issue here.If this country wants to get up to the mark ( sure need that as the traffic had increased significantly), the government must be willing to spend this money,Instead of knee jerk action jumping into to buying new helicopters. On another hand, the Nuri fleet is also long overdue to be replaced.
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Well said flightleader,
On the other hand, the UK has a very good SAR team thats operated by the RAF. They have aircraft(westland helicopters, the same as our nuri's) stationed all over the country specifically for SAR, be it lost hikers,medivac, down aircraft or shipping accidents. Here we have so many different agencies having helicopters of their own (air force, army, police and bomba). But i dont know who would be the main agency responsible for SAR.
Question.
1.Who is overall responsible for SAR?
2. Is there a centralised SAR center? From there who gets despatched to the site first? Meaning, if there are police copters in the vicinity of the crash, would they be allowed to start the SAR or would they have to wait for some general in the air force to give the go ahead, or maybe the right ministry. Remember the JAL crash that killed 504 some years back! The yanks got to the crash site almost immediately but were not allowed to conduct SAR due to bereaucracy. Does this exsist here as well, if yes, then to what extend?
3. All traffic flying in the peninsular, would be under some kind of radar coverage or so, maybe down to a certain height. Would the radar not provide some clues to where it might be? Some years back the air force lost a skyhawk in the south china sea, they turned to Singapore, who provided them with some sort of last position, although the plane was never found (there were reasons to that) but it was tracked on radar.
Yes, must agree that the Nuri's (beautiful machines) are old, about time the air force replaced them. As for the emergency beacon on board, well its to be activated by the survivors. In this case, i guess if it wasnt activated then for those who know about this would have guess that the chances for survivors would have been slim. They could have very well been alive, maybe we got there to late.
On the other hand, the UK has a very good SAR team thats operated by the RAF. They have aircraft(westland helicopters, the same as our nuri's) stationed all over the country specifically for SAR, be it lost hikers,medivac, down aircraft or shipping accidents. Here we have so many different agencies having helicopters of their own (air force, army, police and bomba). But i dont know who would be the main agency responsible for SAR.
Question.
1.Who is overall responsible for SAR?
2. Is there a centralised SAR center? From there who gets despatched to the site first? Meaning, if there are police copters in the vicinity of the crash, would they be allowed to start the SAR or would they have to wait for some general in the air force to give the go ahead, or maybe the right ministry. Remember the JAL crash that killed 504 some years back! The yanks got to the crash site almost immediately but were not allowed to conduct SAR due to bereaucracy. Does this exsist here as well, if yes, then to what extend?
3. All traffic flying in the peninsular, would be under some kind of radar coverage or so, maybe down to a certain height. Would the radar not provide some clues to where it might be? Some years back the air force lost a skyhawk in the south china sea, they turned to Singapore, who provided them with some sort of last position, although the plane was never found (there were reasons to that) but it was tracked on radar.
Yes, must agree that the Nuri's (beautiful machines) are old, about time the air force replaced them. As for the emergency beacon on board, well its to be activated by the survivors. In this case, i guess if it wasnt activated then for those who know about this would have guess that the chances for survivors would have been slim. They could have very well been alive, maybe we got there to late.
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SAR in Malaysia
The first of the nice new Dauphins for the MMEA has arrived in the country this week. Maybe these will help with the SAR situation once they are operational.
I have not heard any reports about a Nuri or Mi17 helping with the rescue of survivors in any of the accidents that have happened with offshore helicopters over the last couple of years. Does anyone know if a SAR aircraft was even launched on those occasions?
It is rather sad if the Nuri's still do not carry a descent automatic Crash Position Indicator beacon. Most of the offshore helicopters carry several CPIs, including in the crew lifejackets, and nowadays those also transmit on 406Mhz so can be located by SARSAT. In theory these would make it possible to locate a missing aircraft even in hilly terrain.
I have not heard any reports about a Nuri or Mi17 helping with the rescue of survivors in any of the accidents that have happened with offshore helicopters over the last couple of years. Does anyone know if a SAR aircraft was even launched on those occasions?
It is rather sad if the Nuri's still do not carry a descent automatic Crash Position Indicator beacon. Most of the offshore helicopters carry several CPIs, including in the crew lifejackets, and nowadays those also transmit on 406Mhz so can be located by SARSAT. In theory these would make it possible to locate a missing aircraft even in hilly terrain.
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Sad case the Nuri, but as we are in boleh land, this will be a memory until the next incident and then they will jump again...and so on and so on...
SAR - Unless it's really in the sincerity of the Theme, no one gives a damn.
I think it's up to the civil operators to 'pool resources' rather then depend on 'government agencies'. If the civil folks can 'co-operate' and do it better than why not? Sure there's cost involved...but Cost versus Lives ????
Until another accident happens...(hope not)....Fly safe all.
Cheers
dom
SAR - Unless it's really in the sincerity of the Theme, no one gives a damn.
I think it's up to the civil operators to 'pool resources' rather then depend on 'government agencies'. If the civil folks can 'co-operate' and do it better than why not? Sure there's cost involved...but Cost versus Lives ????
Until another accident happens...(hope not)....Fly safe all.
Cheers
dom
