SIA Cargo Hiring!!!! (merged)
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There has been a tea and biscuit party in the office of LKY?
There has been a press release saying more cost cutting in SIA, but NOT through wage cuts? Rather through more efficient utilization of the aircraft, etc?
Same press release saying all staff who had their wages reduced due SARS, will have their wages restored to previous level?
True or false?
There has been a press release saying more cost cutting in SIA, but NOT through wage cuts? Rather through more efficient utilization of the aircraft, etc?
Same press release saying all staff who had their wages reduced due SARS, will have their wages restored to previous level?
True or false?
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Propaganda
Restoration was mentioned only as a one-time payment
of loss wages + 15% extra.
New CA maintains the current wages..
(16% and -11% of pre-SARS)
The big giant head sez that no-restoration of wages ...period.
Straits Times have a tendancy of blurrring the reality of things.
( any questions )
of loss wages + 15% extra.
New CA maintains the current wages..
(16% and -11% of pre-SARS)
The big giant head sez that no-restoration of wages ...period.
Straits Times have a tendancy of blurrring the reality of things.
( any questions )
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Dear colleagues!
"please think and think again-how would you guys feel if a 100 of us turned up at the SAS academy for training, whilst you were trying to score a respectable wage/conditions deal??"
If you don't want 100 pilots from SAS to show up it's easy. Go to your union and ask them to contact the unions of SAS. If your union agrees and ask the SAS unions for help I'm sure most SAS pilots will stay in Scandinavia.
SAS pilots has always respected any ban on employment known to them.
But be sure that comments like "you'll be alone" or "the instructors are waiting" etc are not working. SAS pilots will - according to my sources - almost be in majority in SIA Cargo if the deal works out.
"please think and think again-how would you guys feel if a 100 of us turned up at the SAS academy for training, whilst you were trying to score a respectable wage/conditions deal??"
If you don't want 100 pilots from SAS to show up it's easy. Go to your union and ask them to contact the unions of SAS. If your union agrees and ask the SAS unions for help I'm sure most SAS pilots will stay in Scandinavia.
SAS pilots has always respected any ban on employment known to them.
But be sure that comments like "you'll be alone" or "the instructors are waiting" etc are not working. SAS pilots will - according to my sources - almost be in majority in SIA Cargo if the deal works out.
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No, that is not correct.
Locals still get paid the Provident fund, unlike expats and the majority of expats will only ever be able to do about a maximum of fifteen years with SIA, due to age, so never reach the top increments. Few other little odds and ends that mean that the cost of expat v. local is now about the same.
Locals still get paid the Provident fund, unlike expats and the majority of expats will only ever be able to do about a maximum of fifteen years with SIA, due to age, so never reach the top increments. Few other little odds and ends that mean that the cost of expat v. local is now about the same.
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Amongst all your hyperbole of late, I haven’t actually seen any comment that you may have considered making in respect of the 5 April posting of jstars2, featured on page 9 of this thread and which he/she quoted from another, previous thread, entitled The Facts about SQ!.
As you have so much to say on the subject of SIA and its recruiting/remuneration policies, perhaps you would care to enlighten us all here in SIA with your valued comment on that post’s content?
Amongst all your hyperbole of late, I haven’t actually seen any comment that you may have considered making in respect of the 5 April posting of jstars2, featured on page 9 of this thread and which he/she quoted from another, previous thread, entitled The Facts about SQ!.
As you have so much to say on the subject of SIA and its recruiting/remuneration policies, perhaps you would care to enlighten us all here in SIA with your valued comment on that post’s content?
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Highcirrus.
You are unlikely to get this clown, Otto Lagerhus, alias "factseeker" to respond to FACTS. Having been found out for his need to reap huge financial benefits out of the SAS/SIA deal he has vanished suddenly and no doubt claims he has no further interest in this thread. As with all cowards though, I believe that he wont be able to help himself and will therefore be watching this thread quietly anyway.
Perhaps with a little prodding we can get the coward back out into the open.
Go on Lagerhus, why dont you just tell us how much you make on each pilot successfully recruited into SIA.
Dont start on your silly nonsense about "Zorro" or "pure speculation and allegations". Just tell us the FACTS Mr Factseeker and do try to stay on the subject will you?
You are unlikely to get this clown, Otto Lagerhus, alias "factseeker" to respond to FACTS. Having been found out for his need to reap huge financial benefits out of the SAS/SIA deal he has vanished suddenly and no doubt claims he has no further interest in this thread. As with all cowards though, I believe that he wont be able to help himself and will therefore be watching this thread quietly anyway.
Perhaps with a little prodding we can get the coward back out into the open.
Go on Lagerhus, why dont you just tell us how much you make on each pilot successfully recruited into SIA.
Dont start on your silly nonsense about "Zorro" or "pure speculation and allegations". Just tell us the FACTS Mr Factseeker and do try to stay on the subject will you?
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Perhaps, as Mr Lagerhus would appear to have a financial interest in the recruiting of SAS pilots for SIA, his judgment may have become clouded in his consideration as to the advisability of mentioning to the SAS pilots that an SIA remuneration review (downwards) is currently taking place under the stewardship of Singapore’s Senior Minister, Lee Kuan Yew.
No matter on what terms any SAS pilot would enter into a contract with SIA, those terms would still be subject to the override that they would be altered and brought into line with whatever is “agreed” between the Company and Alpa-S, for the time being. As you have probably recently gathered, the “union” will just accept what is handed down from LKY, rather than risk more members of the Exco receiving exemplary sanction for disobedience.
As the current, offered terms of employment for SAS pilots are generally in line with present salary levels, new SAS joiners could, therefore, quickly expect to sustain a significant pay cut.
Interested SAS pilots may wish to contact Mr Lagerhus, to clarify the matter.
Perhaps, as Mr Lagerhus would appear to have a financial interest in the recruiting of SAS pilots for SIA, his judgment may have become clouded in his consideration as to the advisability of mentioning to the SAS pilots that an SIA remuneration review (downwards) is currently taking place under the stewardship of Singapore’s Senior Minister, Lee Kuan Yew.
No matter on what terms any SAS pilot would enter into a contract with SIA, those terms would still be subject to the override that they would be altered and brought into line with whatever is “agreed” between the Company and Alpa-S, for the time being. As you have probably recently gathered, the “union” will just accept what is handed down from LKY, rather than risk more members of the Exco receiving exemplary sanction for disobedience.
As the current, offered terms of employment for SAS pilots are generally in line with present salary levels, new SAS joiners could, therefore, quickly expect to sustain a significant pay cut.
Interested SAS pilots may wish to contact Mr Lagerhus, to clarify the matter.
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Maybe a better idea is for the SAS pilot union to urgently act on behalf of a significant percentage of its membership who seem determined to “jump off a precipice” and ask its retained Scandinavian legal advisors to contact a reliable Singapore law firm that has extensive labor/contract law experience in the Republic and ask that the SIA contract be appraised and a view given as to the likely outcome of the present Collective Agreement negotiations between the Company (for which read Government) and the Pilots.
Maybe a better idea is for the SAS pilot union to urgently act on behalf of a significant percentage of its membership who seem determined to “jump off a precipice” and ask its retained Scandinavian legal advisors to contact a reliable Singapore law firm that has extensive labor/contract law experience in the Republic and ask that the SIA contract be appraised and a view given as to the likely outcome of the present Collective Agreement negotiations between the Company (for which read Government) and the Pilots.
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Dear Hiene
Basing isn't too big a deal,
Just find 38 FO's and sign the dotted line..
it is that simple.
SQ always favours foreign basing to screw the locals.
Just be careful of the 300, 000kg landing weight,
Basing isn't too big a deal,
Just find 38 FO's and sign the dotted line..
it is that simple.
SQ always favours foreign basing to screw the locals.
Just be careful of the 300, 000kg landing weight,
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SIA Outlook Magazine, May 2004
PILOT AGREEMENT: SIA Cargo signed a Letter of Exchange on 8 April with the Republic of Singapore Air Force (RSAF) to take in air force pilots.
Under the agreement, aimed at optimising the scarce national pilot resource pool, RSAF pilots to be released to SIA Cargo must have served RSAF for at least 12 years and possess an ATPL licence.
The agreement was signed by Chief Pilot Cargo Captain Gan Kim Hock and Head Air Operations Colonel Charles Shih at the MINDEF Building, Gombak Drive.
Currently, the freighter services are operated mainly by pilots from SIA. SIA Cargo hopes to have a full complement of its own pilots in four to five year’s time.
The RSAF pilots will join as cadet pilots, but on shorter training programmes.
SIA and SilkAir have similar schemes with RSAF. To date, SIA has taken in 163 RSAF pilots and SilkAir 17.
PILOT AGREEMENT: SIA Cargo signed a Letter of Exchange on 8 April with the Republic of Singapore Air Force (RSAF) to take in air force pilots.
Under the agreement, aimed at optimising the scarce national pilot resource pool, RSAF pilots to be released to SIA Cargo must have served RSAF for at least 12 years and possess an ATPL licence.
The agreement was signed by Chief Pilot Cargo Captain Gan Kim Hock and Head Air Operations Colonel Charles Shih at the MINDEF Building, Gombak Drive.
Currently, the freighter services are operated mainly by pilots from SIA. SIA Cargo hopes to have a full complement of its own pilots in four to five year’s time.
The RSAF pilots will join as cadet pilots, but on shorter training programmes.
SIA and SilkAir have similar schemes with RSAF. To date, SIA has taken in 163 RSAF pilots and SilkAir 17.
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PILOT AGREEMENT
How does it work?Obviously RSAF pilots have sufficent hours, already possess ATPL and will get type-rated,how come they are considered only as cadet pilots?Granted that don't have heavy commercial jet hours at least they should be considered second pilots.
How about the training bond and bank guarantee?
Does it really take 4-5 yrs for SQ Cargo to get full complements of their own pilots.If that is the case & having to resort to agreement with RSAF for pilots, something is definitely not right in the HR dept.
Maybe it's the bank guarantee or the amount?
How about the training bond and bank guarantee?
Does it really take 4-5 yrs for SQ Cargo to get full complements of their own pilots.If that is the case & having to resort to agreement with RSAF for pilots, something is definitely not right in the HR dept.
Maybe it's the bank guarantee or the amount?
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Cargo is the best place to be these days.
Where is the world does a freshman to civilian aviation
get to land at 305-T?
4000m runway suddenly looks very short at that weight.
Add wet / slippery runway and some tailwind and situation
looks more exciting.
anyone knows the ROD of a/c at 300-T landing weight on ILS
with OAT +45c ?
Ans: Just like a F-14 on a carrier approach...
So cargo is truly exciting place to be,...
Pls no complaints on pay...
this is a cheapo outfit, run by rich-goons
Where is the world does a freshman to civilian aviation
get to land at 305-T?
4000m runway suddenly looks very short at that weight.
Add wet / slippery runway and some tailwind and situation
looks more exciting.
anyone knows the ROD of a/c at 300-T landing weight on ILS
with OAT +45c ?
Ans: Just like a F-14 on a carrier approach...
So cargo is truly exciting place to be,...
Pls no complaints on pay...
this is a cheapo outfit, run by rich-goons
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I’m fresh from another trip to that supremely manicured but unhappy island, Singapore, and my SIA cronies there tell me, between bouts of crying in their beer, that not only don’t they know what’s happening with the latest CA “negotiations” (ie what’s to be forced down their throats by the government) but that things are similarly and mysteriously muted in relation to the hundreds of SAS pilots who were supposed to be joining the ranks of galley slaves (sorry, valued professionals) in the state monolith.
Seems that a few brave souls (or some would say foolhardily negligent in checking SIA “contract” terms before joining) have undergone training but have encountered CAAS licensing problems of some description and have been given the push (part of the great SIA tradition of nurturing esteemed employees, which my friends tell me is covered in the airline’s “core values”, trumpeted to all new joiners).
Maybe Mr Otto Lagerhus, alias Factseeker who, by accounts, seems to have been part of the orchestration of the SAS/SIA pilot deal could provide details?
If he can spare the time, I know that many SIA pilots would also value any information he has regarding benefit adjustments (downwards) that the new CA will contain and which he has obviously discussed with the SAS pilot body before allowing members of that group to sign an SIA “contract”.
Over to you Mr Lagerhus
Seems that a few brave souls (or some would say foolhardily negligent in checking SIA “contract” terms before joining) have undergone training but have encountered CAAS licensing problems of some description and have been given the push (part of the great SIA tradition of nurturing esteemed employees, which my friends tell me is covered in the airline’s “core values”, trumpeted to all new joiners).
Maybe Mr Otto Lagerhus, alias Factseeker who, by accounts, seems to have been part of the orchestration of the SAS/SIA pilot deal could provide details?
If he can spare the time, I know that many SIA pilots would also value any information he has regarding benefit adjustments (downwards) that the new CA will contain and which he has obviously discussed with the SAS pilot body before allowing members of that group to sign an SIA “contract”.
Over to you Mr Lagerhus
Hmm - Another - can't really blame any SAS for not reading the contract - the bit about being current I don't think is in the contract. Interesting times ahead again!!
What I found quite interesting was the lack of hoopla that the "Strait Lies" printed about the 800 mill profit that SQ made. One thinks that it wold almost be an embarresment to them to broadcast that in "their worst year" they still made a hugeprofit. BUT - the paycuts continue!!!
What I found quite interesting was the lack of hoopla that the "Strait Lies" printed about the 800 mill profit that SQ made. One thinks that it wold almost be an embarresment to them to broadcast that in "their worst year" they still made a hugeprofit. BUT - the paycuts continue!!!
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Yes, that’s about right CDRW (though I seem to have in my mind a S$850 million profit) and I would guess that right now the "Strait Lies" editorial team will be receiving a government brief to run stories, double quick, about the dire effect of the present oil price “spike” on the future profit prospects of SIA – omitting to mention, of course, that far worse “spikes” have occurred over the past thirty years and that the airline is extremely well hedged on fuel costs for the next eighteen months!
Must have any facts blurred, that stand in the way of the required pay cuts all-round (except for Singapore government ministers, of course)!
Must have any facts blurred, that stand in the way of the required pay cuts all-round (except for Singapore government ministers, of course)!
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Ran into some of the SIA boys recently, freighting into and out of China. Seems like not too many of the SAS pilots have taken up the SIA Cargo contract as things did not turn out as advertised back in Scandinavia once the reality hit the first group on arrival in Singapore, plus there were some licensing problems. Total SAS contingent with SIA is currently less than ten!? Can anyone confirm this? If correct, the package must be pretty bad to discourage even the "adventurers"!
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In the rush to get “Tiger” into the air somewhere near the projected start date (in the next ten days or so), it seems that it has been necessary for Silk Air A320 pilots to be seconded to the new LCC as there have been absolutely no suitable takers of the derisory Terms & Conditions offered so far.
A first thought must be: so much for the “stand alone” concept of this rugged new start-up, navigating the shoals and rapids of market forces, sinking or swimming based on its own efforts. A second one surely is: these very same forces seem to be sending their own special message to the Singapore powers that be, ie the package is pathetic considering both the costs associated with living in Singapore and the weak state of the Singapore Dollar.
Surely one would think that having gone through a similar exercise with the SIA Cargo package, the same mistake would not have been made twice?
Maybe too much store is being set on the duff advice of out-of-touch Tony Ryan and his beleaguered acolyte Michael O’Leary.
A first thought must be: so much for the “stand alone” concept of this rugged new start-up, navigating the shoals and rapids of market forces, sinking or swimming based on its own efforts. A second one surely is: these very same forces seem to be sending their own special message to the Singapore powers that be, ie the package is pathetic considering both the costs associated with living in Singapore and the weak state of the Singapore Dollar.
Surely one would think that having gone through a similar exercise with the SIA Cargo package, the same mistake would not have been made twice?
Maybe too much store is being set on the duff advice of out-of-touch Tony Ryan and his beleaguered acolyte Michael O’Leary.