SIA Cargo Hiring!!!! (merged)
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Here is the email I just sent to the recruiter for SQ Cargo about my interview in Jan..........Yeah I am going to fly all the way to SQ for and interview for **** money and **** conditions and pay for my hotel...........
Jo,
Thank you for your prompt reply! I will not be attending due to the terms and conditions being well below industry standard. I would liked to have attended, however in my 10 years of flying and the several interviews that I have done with 2 of the worlds top airlines have I never had to endure any of the costs for interviews. If Singapore Cargo improves their Terms & Conditions and pays for a hotel in the interview process please let me know and I will consider the contract.
I wish you all the success in your quest for qualified candidates however with your current package I do not foresee Professional Pilots coming to Singapore anytime soon.
Thank you for your time, and good luck,
..........they just do not get it! To think that 8 years ago on a trip back from the Maldives I would have given my left one to fly for these clowns............! See what happens when they bend one.........! JUST SAY NO!
Jo,
Thank you for your prompt reply! I will not be attending due to the terms and conditions being well below industry standard. I would liked to have attended, however in my 10 years of flying and the several interviews that I have done with 2 of the worlds top airlines have I never had to endure any of the costs for interviews. If Singapore Cargo improves their Terms & Conditions and pays for a hotel in the interview process please let me know and I will consider the contract.
I wish you all the success in your quest for qualified candidates however with your current package I do not foresee Professional Pilots coming to Singapore anytime soon.
Thank you for your time, and good luck,
..........they just do not get it! To think that 8 years ago on a trip back from the Maldives I would have given my left one to fly for these clowns............! See what happens when they bend one.........! JUST SAY NO!
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pitotman When coming for interview for SQ you also have to pay for the Medical of around $500 inaddition to Hotel etc etc.
You also travel subload with no Upgrade even if Business or First is empty!!
As Blue Eagle rightly says SQ is no longer a job for Pilots from the expensive "First World" countries.
Anyone thinking a B744 Rating is worth 5+ yeras then think again as to where you could move onto with a rating which by then will be just Cargo Outfits and a few Majors where you won't get a look in.
Any guesses what Tiger Airlines will be paying?????
Where are they going to get these Pilots from?????????????????
You also travel subload with no Upgrade even if Business or First is empty!!
As Blue Eagle rightly says SQ is no longer a job for Pilots from the expensive "First World" countries.
Anyone thinking a B744 Rating is worth 5+ yeras then think again as to where you could move onto with a rating which by then will be just Cargo Outfits and a few Majors where you won't get a look in.
Any guesses what Tiger Airlines will be paying?????
Where are they going to get these Pilots from?????????????????
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pitotman, you are invited to SIN for interview but you have to pay for that?????, rare thing's those SINCARGO, who are invited have to pay guys funny thing's those SINCARGO, or is it use by SQ anybody invited have to pay really rare and funny those SINCARGO
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I drink alot but not enough to understand what you just tried to write......
I know the tone was sarcasm however, did not get all of it!
Fly Safe, but not for peanuts!
I know the tone was sarcasm however, did not get all of it!
Fly Safe, but not for peanuts!
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What you did was entirely correct. Now if everyone else who is flirting (misguidedly I might add) with the idea of joining SIA Cargo or even SIA mainline did the same, guess what, things would change. Sure as eggs are eggs, Jokilla would run squealing to the powers, telling them that the naughty pilots were up to no good again. But guess what, suddenly hotac/airport transfers, seat upgrades, free medicals and sensible terms & conditions would become available. It's called market forces; so beloved down Singapore way!
Further, as millerscourt has mentioned, what is really going to be the value of a B744 rating and five year's freighting time when you are eventually released from your subsistence level servitude with the world's worst airline to be employed with?
We're all working our bonds off to get paid our contracted Pilots' Provident Fund (now unilaterally junked as a "cost saving measure") cash before leaving asap, grinding our teeth and swallowing our disgust at how dumb we were to join SIA in the first place. Please don't make our mistake and join this vale of tears!
What you did was entirely correct. Now if everyone else who is flirting (misguidedly I might add) with the idea of joining SIA Cargo or even SIA mainline did the same, guess what, things would change. Sure as eggs are eggs, Jokilla would run squealing to the powers, telling them that the naughty pilots were up to no good again. But guess what, suddenly hotac/airport transfers, seat upgrades, free medicals and sensible terms & conditions would become available. It's called market forces; so beloved down Singapore way!
Further, as millerscourt has mentioned, what is really going to be the value of a B744 rating and five year's freighting time when you are eventually released from your subsistence level servitude with the world's worst airline to be employed with?
We're all working our bonds off to get paid our contracted Pilots' Provident Fund (now unilaterally junked as a "cost saving measure") cash before leaving asap, grinding our teeth and swallowing our disgust at how dumb we were to join SIA in the first place. Please don't make our mistake and join this vale of tears!
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I read the whole thread. Does anyone know if AHK is going to have similar standards, pay etc to its parent and sibling. If so, then competition will do its work. AHK appears to be a quality outfit. Does anyone have the real deal there? Could be SIA Cargo's worst nightmare. Also does anyone know if DHL is involved at AHK? A lot of QR A300 types are sniffing around. Might improve things there too when30 guys leave. 
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The latest, filtering from the fourth floor, is that SIA Cargo has received five hundred applications from assorted misguided wannabees throughout the world (do these guys never read pprune?) and of this bunch, fourty or so were deemed, by the powers, to be reasonably in the frame for consideration as B744 drivers. Snag was, of course, when they were sim checked as part of the recruitment procedure, none of them passed!
But then is this surprising when considering the derisory package on offer and thus the quality of applicants? The metaphor concerning primates and peanuts springs to mind!
Seems, hence, like the idea of a stand-alone SIA Cargo has been shelved for the moment, pending the introduction of the A380 in 2006 and the inevitable rapid demise of the passenger version of the B744 within SIA, when marooned ex-pats will then be offered the stark choice – “accept the garbage that's on offer, or push off.”
It would obviously not be logical to improve the package and thus attract applicants of the required calibre and experience.
But then is this surprising when considering the derisory package on offer and thus the quality of applicants? The metaphor concerning primates and peanuts springs to mind!
Seems, hence, like the idea of a stand-alone SIA Cargo has been shelved for the moment, pending the introduction of the A380 in 2006 and the inevitable rapid demise of the passenger version of the B744 within SIA, when marooned ex-pats will then be offered the stark choice – “accept the garbage that's on offer, or push off.”
It would obviously not be logical to improve the package and thus attract applicants of the required calibre and experience.
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The buzz round here is that the locals will definitely go to the A380 (Quick 180 on sentiment – now Airbus good, Boeing bad) leaving the ex-pats the B744 pickings. The far-sighted of this latter group who are not making imminent plans to leave, are now manoeuvring onto the A340-500 to avoid the situation on B744 contract end, where they are indeed offered “SIA Cargo or the road”.
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Its amazing. I worked for SQ Cargo in the 80s on the operational side and it sucked then. How a company so
well known for its in-flight service, would treat its employees so badly. They couldn't understand it then, and obviously from this topic, dont understand it now. NOT everyone wants to be a
Singapore Girl and considers it an honor to work for them.
I feel really sorry for the group of pilots that Hire on for
Tiger Air, they will probably have to PAY SQ for the job.
well known for its in-flight service, would treat its employees so badly. They couldn't understand it then, and obviously from this topic, dont understand it now. NOT everyone wants to be a
Singapore Girl and considers it an honor to work for them.
I feel really sorry for the group of pilots that Hire on for
Tiger Air, they will probably have to PAY SQ for the job.
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crying in my soup
Now I am truely disheartened 
Having just read the entire thread I see that Australias disease has spread into SE Asia. I thought conditions here were bad and considered that paying AU$25000 for a B73 rating (read job) would be the end of pilot mistretment in General Aviation and the first stepping stone on the path to the dream jet job and life style. Obviously not. I'm sure that I would be the type of candidate SIA Cargo would be looking for, all the ticks in the boxes but no rating and already used to working for peanuts in Oz. Reading this post is highly discouraging and I wonder how much worse it will get before pilots actually learn to stick together and make things better for ourselves.
Best of luck to all.
VneII
Having just read the entire thread I see that Australias disease has spread into SE Asia. I thought conditions here were bad and considered that paying AU$25000 for a B73 rating (read job) would be the end of pilot mistretment in General Aviation and the first stepping stone on the path to the dream jet job and life style. Obviously not. I'm sure that I would be the type of candidate SIA Cargo would be looking for, all the ticks in the boxes but no rating and already used to working for peanuts in Oz. Reading this post is highly discouraging and I wonder how much worse it will get before pilots actually learn to stick together and make things better for ourselves.
Best of luck to all.
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Jim, not so much upstairs, have we 
Only 40 were deemed suitable for interview.
The wings may be good at "Hooters", but they really should change the name ... 32A know what I mean ha ha
Like Singapore as a whole, offers so much, but delivers so little.
Only 40 were deemed suitable for interview.The wings may be good at "Hooters", but they really should change the name ... 32A know what I mean ha ha
Like Singapore as a whole, offers so much, but delivers so little.
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Re: “I'm sure that I would be the type of candidate SIA Cargo would be looking for, all the ticks in the boxes but no rating and already used to working for peanuts in Oz.”
The last bit is absolutely spot-on “…….already used to working for peanuts”. Yup, just what they’re looking for!
Re: “I'm sure that I would be the type of candidate SIA Cargo would be looking for, all the ticks in the boxes but no rating and already used to working for peanuts in Oz.”
The last bit is absolutely spot-on “…….already used to working for peanuts”. Yup, just what they’re looking for!
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Jim Morehead
Insider107 is correct in that nobody has been recruited for SIA Cargo. The numbers involved are: 500 (approx) applicants for both captain and FO positions – of these 2 were consider worth sim checking – neither passed.
Armchair general Bey was initially hugely smug at the response to the ads inviting application to SIA Cargo, seeing this as a vindication of his view that SIA is a great place to work. He had, of course, failed to note that a majority of applicants were unsuited to the airline’s requirements.
Insider107 is correct in that nobody has been recruited for SIA Cargo. The numbers involved are: 500 (approx) applicants for both captain and FO positions – of these 2 were consider worth sim checking – neither passed.
Armchair general Bey was initially hugely smug at the response to the ads inviting application to SIA Cargo, seeing this as a vindication of his view that SIA is a great place to work. He had, of course, failed to note that a majority of applicants were unsuited to the airline’s requirements.
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Does that all mean that there will be NO SIA cargo and the experiment failed? Maybe they would be interested in some of those Marginal candidates at the "other" airlines...<bg>!
Does that all mean that there will be NO SIA cargo and the experiment failed? Maybe they would be interested in some of those Marginal candidates at the "other" airlines...<bg>!
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Don't know quite how to put this, but I went to SIN for the "interview" process. Apparently, I was one of those who slipped through the process. I was successful in the simulator/medical and interview.
Was subsequently offered a class date. I did pass it up, not so much because of the paltry wages, but more for another position. I can tell you that given the company I am working for right now, SIA cargo working conditions are light years better.
I am rated on the -400 so there is no bond. For me, I was willing to see what happened, but fate played it's hand and another position surfaced.
Was subsequently offered a class date. I did pass it up, not so much because of the paltry wages, but more for another position. I can tell you that given the company I am working for right now, SIA cargo working conditions are light years better.
I am rated on the -400 so there is no bond. For me, I was willing to see what happened, but fate played it's hand and another position surfaced.
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Phil Squares
Congratulations on passing the "interview" process and also on not joining SIA Cargo.
The story that has filtered from reliable sources on the SQ ˇ§four floorˇ¨ is substantially correct. The only embellishment is that ˇ§nobody passedˇ¨ ˇV a face saver to avoid admitting that candidates declined to accept the offer of servitude with SIA Cargo
Congratulations on passing the "interview" process and also on not joining SIA Cargo.
The story that has filtered from reliable sources on the SQ ˇ§four floorˇ¨ is substantially correct. The only embellishment is that ˇ§nobody passedˇ¨ ˇV a face saver to avoid admitting that candidates declined to accept the offer of servitude with SIA Cargo
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Hi PhilSquqres,
Is it true that the invitation by SIA to Singapore for their interview, was on a sub-load(standby) economy class ticket, and that hotel and all expenses in Singapore were your own?
Would appreciate some clarification from you, for all to know.
Thanks.
Is it true that the invitation by SIA to Singapore for their interview, was on a sub-load(standby) economy class ticket, and that hotel and all expenses in Singapore were your own?
Would appreciate some clarification from you, for all to know.
Thanks.
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Southernmtn...
You don't want to know what all I know, it might fill the head of a pin. But, yes, the trip to SIN is subload and you pay for the hotels and medical. However, I will say that is the norm for SQ.
In 1996, I went to SQ for an interview/medical/sim for the then new (to them) 340. Same deal, you pay for everything and subload on the flight in coach no less. So, the fact that the terms hadn't changed is no real surprise.
But, I will say the whole interview process is very low keyed. The sim is very straight forward, no hidden adgenda. The medical is a regular medical, not an astronaut physical. No fiber optic camera through your nose!!!
That's about it, other than the pay, I could think of plenty of worse places to be.....
You don't want to know what all I know, it might fill the head of a pin. But, yes, the trip to SIN is subload and you pay for the hotels and medical. However, I will say that is the norm for SQ.
In 1996, I went to SQ for an interview/medical/sim for the then new (to them) 340. Same deal, you pay for everything and subload on the flight in coach no less. So, the fact that the terms hadn't changed is no real surprise.
But, I will say the whole interview process is very low keyed. The sim is very straight forward, no hidden adgenda. The medical is a regular medical, not an astronaut physical. No fiber optic camera through your nose!!!
That's about it, other than the pay, I could think of plenty of worse places to be.....