SIA Cargo Hiring!!!! (merged)
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SIA Cargo Hiring!!!!
Looks like lots of guys are moving on to better places. Just wondering what the working conditions and pays are like at SIA. Also, since they are hiring F/O's, even without type rating, is there even a chance for future command?
The terms and conditions that SIA are offering are to be honest a farce - its a bit of poker on their side - put out an offer that is on par with contracts offered by third world developing nations and see what response you get.
Join on the freighter and you certainly will get a command and I suspect in pretty short order as no-one from mainline will volunteer to go for that rubbish - a few will be forced but hopefully they will find better employ else where. If you are married, have a squeeker or two who are in the schooling system and are of a European background, you simply will not make ends meet, unless, you go for local schools, which are not bad, but you must start your kids in the system and not join it at say age 8 onwards. There is also quite alot of pressure on the kids in the schools
Accomodation will also be a bit of a challenge, quite a big challenge infact. Really in all honesty I suppose that the contract suites ( and I use that word very liberally) either oldish guys, good pension, want a bit of play money and get around a bit, or very young guys, (no kids, maybe a wife) short on time and want to fly the old banger -400 and get it on the licence - do some time and move on. - Good luck
Join on the freighter and you certainly will get a command and I suspect in pretty short order as no-one from mainline will volunteer to go for that rubbish - a few will be forced but hopefully they will find better employ else where. If you are married, have a squeeker or two who are in the schooling system and are of a European background, you simply will not make ends meet, unless, you go for local schools, which are not bad, but you must start your kids in the system and not join it at say age 8 onwards. There is also quite alot of pressure on the kids in the schools
Accomodation will also be a bit of a challenge, quite a big challenge infact. Really in all honesty I suppose that the contract suites ( and I use that word very liberally) either oldish guys, good pension, want a bit of play money and get around a bit, or very young guys, (no kids, maybe a wife) short on time and want to fly the old banger -400 and get it on the licence - do some time and move on. - Good luck
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"fly the old banger -400 and get it on the licence - do some time and move on. "
But don't expect to be moving on any time soon, because you will have a hefty bond to shackle you to Singapore.
But don't expect to be moving on any time soon, because you will have a hefty bond to shackle you to Singapore.
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Jim Morehead Why on earth would you be interested in SIA Cargo???????????
On your salary at CAL you would not even be interested in the Mail Line Salaries!! Why do you think some SQ Pilots are coming to Taipei for interviews with CAL??
Re Bond . If you are Type rated then there is no Bond unless they change terms for this Cargo deal.
You will still have to do a full long winded course except no circuits if Type rated. This could take up to 4 months to complete whilst on an even lower training salary!!!
Still interested?? If so then go to the website www.siacargo.com
Or you can EMail your details to [email protected]
Go on have a good laugh and do so!!
In the advertisement it says "You will be paid a Basic Salary" You can bet your life that is what they mean!!!!
On your salary at CAL you would not even be interested in the Mail Line Salaries!! Why do you think some SQ Pilots are coming to Taipei for interviews with CAL??
Re Bond . If you are Type rated then there is no Bond unless they change terms for this Cargo deal.
You will still have to do a full long winded course except no circuits if Type rated. This could take up to 4 months to complete whilst on an even lower training salary!!!
Still interested?? If so then go to the website www.siacargo.com
Or you can EMail your details to [email protected]
Go on have a good laugh and do so!!
In the advertisement it says "You will be paid a Basic Salary" You can bet your life that is what they mean!!!!
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Has anyone seen SIA Cargo's advertisement in Flight International or else where apart from their own website? Is there any mention of salary any where?
Many remember SIA's advertisements in FI, in which their remuneration schemes are posted. But now, I wonder why no compensation plan is posted any where?
Many remember SIA's advertisements in FI, in which their remuneration schemes are posted. But now, I wonder why no compensation plan is posted any where?
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Since there is no information about compensation plan posted, could someone tell me what the current condition is? Would there be any difference between Freight and Pax fleet?
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Southermmtn Yes I think you will find that the reason that salaries are no longer quoted as before in FI is because they probably want to see how low a salary they can offer to get people!!
Because they are prepared to type rate people with a 5 year Bond on 744 you will always get a certain number of Pilots who think that the 744 is a meal ticket for life and perhaps they will accept 5 years from being on line as a worthwhile penalty.
I would say be wary of this . I thought the same about the B707 in the 70's It was amazing how suddenly it went out of fashion and became a dinosaur!! Could the 744 go the same way in a few years time????
CFIT Yes of course it is a lower salary in SIA cargo.
Because they are prepared to type rate people with a 5 year Bond on 744 you will always get a certain number of Pilots who think that the 744 is a meal ticket for life and perhaps they will accept 5 years from being on line as a worthwhile penalty.
I would say be wary of this . I thought the same about the B707 in the 70's It was amazing how suddenly it went out of fashion and became a dinosaur!! Could the 744 go the same way in a few years time????
CFIT Yes of course it is a lower salary in SIA cargo.
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was briefed on the Sing Cargo pay today.
75 hours/month will GROSS about 6500 dollars. Thats about 5270 Oz dollars - before tax.
3 weeks annual leave.
cheap ass crap SQ staff travel not worth peeing on.
Basically, not flash.
MI and SQ guys are leaving in droves - I wonder why.
75 hours/month will GROSS about 6500 dollars. Thats about 5270 Oz dollars - before tax.
3 weeks annual leave.
cheap ass crap SQ staff travel not worth peeing on.
Basically, not flash.
MI and SQ guys are leaving in droves - I wonder why.
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That salary seems terribly low. I think a SIA 777 Captain based in Australia is on around AUD $160,000. (3 times your figures) It just doesn't make sense.
Are you sure of these figures ?
Are you aware if the basings are all Singers or are other basings up for grabs ?
That salary seems terribly low. I think a SIA 777 Captain based in Australia is on around AUD $160,000. (3 times your figures) It just doesn't make sense.
Are you sure of these figures ?
Are you aware if the basings are all Singers or are other basings up for grabs ?
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sorry,
I am talking FOpay and COS.
Heaven forbid I would ever get a command on a jet. Maybe another 6000 jet/glass/big willie hours and I could consider myself getting a command.
Too many low time locals in the que though.
I am talking FOpay and COS.
Heaven forbid I would ever get a command on a jet. Maybe another 6000 jet/glass/big willie hours and I could consider myself getting a command.
Too many low time locals in the que though.
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Hello,
Anybody with information about the flight pay and per diem. Also how much is the taxes in Singapore and about the pay differences between contract terms and local terms?
Many thanks in advance
Anybody with information about the flight pay and per diem. Also how much is the taxes in Singapore and about the pay differences between contract terms and local terms?
Many thanks in advance
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Lads.
What about older guys (like me at 50+) who have the wide body Int'l experience (not the Type Rating) with lots of hours who's kids are grown and school fees, accomodation, etc. (even salary) aren't that big a deal????
Training Bond? I'd be happy with 5 years minimum stay in one job with a shot at command compared to the hell I've been through the last five.
Is it worth applying for or not???
Freight flying is great.
Just think....you and the boys taking your very own 747-400 off round the world.
What about reasonable dosh for all that fun???
Judging by what I read on a fairly regular basis in this forum, there aren't that many 'good outfits' out there worth working for anyway.
watch this space
What about older guys (like me at 50+) who have the wide body Int'l experience (not the Type Rating) with lots of hours who's kids are grown and school fees, accomodation, etc. (even salary) aren't that big a deal????
Training Bond? I'd be happy with 5 years minimum stay in one job with a shot at command compared to the hell I've been through the last five.
Is it worth applying for or not???
Freight flying is great.
Just think....you and the boys taking your very own 747-400 off round the world.
What about reasonable dosh for all that fun???
Judging by what I read on a fairly regular basis in this forum, there aren't that many 'good outfits' out there worth working for anyway.
watch this space
Willie baby,
See my earlier post about older(ish) guys joining who do have any commitments to family, are thrilled about flying the -400 and don't mind not being able to save any money, not really worried about the staff travel benefits and are not really fussed about living in a one bedroomed flat in Pungol.- You are exactly what this crowd want. I should imagine that you would have a shot at command - as no main stream capt is going to "volunteer" and should doubt that very few outside will apply for direct entry. Also take note that a "command course" in SQ is approx one year of tests and checks and would turn the most hardened teatotal into a Jack Daniels connoisseur.
Good luck.
See my earlier post about older(ish) guys joining who do have any commitments to family, are thrilled about flying the -400 and don't mind not being able to save any money, not really worried about the staff travel benefits and are not really fussed about living in a one bedroomed flat in Pungol.- You are exactly what this crowd want. I should imagine that you would have a shot at command - as no main stream capt is going to "volunteer" and should doubt that very few outside will apply for direct entry. Also take note that a "command course" in SQ is approx one year of tests and checks and would turn the most hardened teatotal into a Jack Daniels connoisseur.
Good luck.
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Well, considering what I am earning now on a local contract in Indonesia flying a classic 737 (200s) freighter...the 744 type on the license and 5 years stability is not so bad!
the figure for FO I assume is in USD not SIN$ (6500/mo)
Do you think I have a chance? with 2000 total and about 700 in 737-200. 1.5 years Cargo ops experience in and out of WSSS.
Any info on work environment from current SIA CARGO pilots is appreciated....
thanks guys!
the figure for FO I assume is in USD not SIN$ (6500/mo)
Do you think I have a chance? with 2000 total and about 700 in 737-200. 1.5 years Cargo ops experience in and out of WSSS.
Any info on work environment from current SIA CARGO pilots is appreciated....
thanks guys!
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SIA Cargo
RE: SIA CARGO some good info has been posted some not so good info.....it's no secret...............
Starting salary .................S$8000/7700 while in trng
Transfer from within up to 3 increments of 200ea for each 2yrs on type
Relocation allowance...S$3000per mth...this is basically for housing as Singapore is the only baseing option (now?) you will use most or all of this!
Hourly flt pay..........S$45.......an adverage sched month for est is 70hrs...some will be more some less
Expense S$6 per hour..................to eat at Mc'D's
28 days leave............mainline 42
1 confm vaca pass on SIA.......3 id90's
no type rating ...you bond!!
SO WHAT DO YOU THINK?????????????????????????????
Starting salary .................S$8000/7700 while in trng
Transfer from within up to 3 increments of 200ea for each 2yrs on type
Relocation allowance...S$3000per mth...this is basically for housing as Singapore is the only baseing option (now?) you will use most or all of this!
Hourly flt pay..........S$45.......an adverage sched month for est is 70hrs...some will be more some less
Expense S$6 per hour..................to eat at Mc'D's
28 days leave............mainline 42
1 confm vaca pass on SIA.......3 id90's
no type rating ...you bond!!
SO WHAT DO YOU THINK?????????????????????????????