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why should they go for 2014 typerated guys, thats totally unfair .. instead they could have asked 2011 and 2013 batch guys to get their own typerating in this wasted time.. totally unfair 
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I knw its a litttle bit unfair but u have to accept that it takes time to do a type rating(arnd 2 months).To bring an ab intio online it will take min 8-9 months min whereas rated they can bring online in 5-6 months min...and as of now the requirement has shot up and they cant waste time..
Its all about planning and scheduling things..i knw jet is very bad in this..
Acc to me if u ask me personally there was no need to bring a new recruitment in 2014 when students of 2011 and 2013 are still waiting for their training..
Instead they should have come out with a type rated add...Just because of few capts, they said that type rated guys are getting it very easy with the rated exam therefore it should be clubbed with the ab initio..therefore the exam came out..Now they are regretting..
Its all about planning and scheduling things..i knw jet is very bad in this..
Acc to me if u ask me personally there was no need to bring a new recruitment in 2014 when students of 2011 and 2013 are still waiting for their training..
Instead they should have come out with a type rated add...Just because of few capts, they said that type rated guys are getting it very easy with the rated exam therefore it should be clubbed with the ab initio..therefore the exam came out..Now they are regretting..
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Yes bro, it takes time to do type rating.. but keeping in mind that 2011 batch guys have been waiting for 48 months and now 2013 for 18 months , they could have asked the 2011 guys to get rated on company designated TRTO's in the last 6 months and could have inducted them now as well ask the 2013 guys to get rated now and induct them next rather than coming up with a new Type-rated recruitment and Taking the type rated guys of 2014 exam is totally bull**** ...
Keeping in mind the complete recruitment process for 2014 and new type rated exam will take at least another 8 and 6 months respectively , then only they will be inducted into the company... instead already selected candidates can be asked to get their own type rating and they will be ready in 4 months..
Keeping in mind the complete recruitment process for 2014 and new type rated exam will take at least another 8 and 6 months respectively , then only they will be inducted into the company... instead already selected candidates can be asked to get their own type rating and they will be ready in 4 months..
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pkboeing what you're saying doesn't hold water, because we all know that Jet will take at least 6-8 months to complete the 2014 recruitment process after the results are declared, after this it will take them another 3-4 months to put the selected type rated candidates from the 2014 batch online. I'm sure that not everyone's type rating will be current and that will result in more time to get them online. So it looks like it will take Jet at least a year from now to put the 2014 batch type rated candidates online if they declare the results anytime soon.
If they really have an urgent requirement as you suggest, wouldn't it be wiser for them to train the next few batches of the 2011 process and get them ready in another 6-7 months (their rating/IR etc would be current which would be in Jet's advantage). Again, if the requirement is immediate there are 36 type rated pilots waiting to join, why are they not being fast tracked ?
If they really have an urgent requirement as you suggest, wouldn't it be wiser for them to train the next few batches of the 2011 process and get them ready in another 6-7 months (their rating/IR etc would be current which would be in Jet's advantage). Again, if the requirement is immediate there are 36 type rated pilots waiting to join, why are they not being fast tracked ?
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@jet go - regarding the 2011 batch i have full sympathy and i agree what u r saying..If u ask me they should have asked the 2011 batch to go for rating instead of taking rated pilots in 2012 and in 2013..Thats unfair..i totally agree..
Ur quote
"Keeping in mind the complete recruitment process for 2014 and new type rated exam will take at least another 8 and 6 months respectively , then only they will be inducted into the company"..
Still rated candidates will take less time if the company chooses ab initio candidates of 2011 batch..
I am not talking abt the complete recruitment process of 2014.coz after declaring the result of 2014 which will happen very soon,type rated candidates will be expedited..no doubt abt that..there will be a separate list of rated candidates(arnd 50 sel after first stage)....and the ab initio of 2014 for the next stage will be put on hold..
jet had sent people for type rating from april last year and till oct/nov only 36 people finished their rating..so u see the time that they took to do only rating...and the rest of the training how much they will take u can imagine my frnd...i am not in the company where i am defending rated guys but this is the thing that is going in their mind..
Ur quote
"Keeping in mind the complete recruitment process for 2014 and new type rated exam will take at least another 8 and 6 months respectively , then only they will be inducted into the company"..
Still rated candidates will take less time if the company chooses ab initio candidates of 2011 batch..
I am not talking abt the complete recruitment process of 2014.coz after declaring the result of 2014 which will happen very soon,type rated candidates will be expedited..no doubt abt that..there will be a separate list of rated candidates(arnd 50 sel after first stage)....and the ab initio of 2014 for the next stage will be put on hold..
jet had sent people for type rating from april last year and till oct/nov only 36 people finished their rating..so u see the time that they took to do only rating...and the rest of the training how much they will take u can imagine my frnd...i am not in the company where i am defending rated guys but this is the thing that is going in their mind..
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@pkboeing.
As u said , in the given time peiod only 36 have been rated , agreed.. But if jet would have asked the candidates to get their own typerating, im sure everyone in the batch would have got their rating done at the same period..
if the company is ready to take typerated guys, then why not ask the selected cpl candidates to get their own rating ??
As u said , in the given time peiod only 36 have been rated , agreed.. But if jet would have asked the candidates to get their own typerating, im sure everyone in the batch would have got their rating done at the same period..
if the company is ready to take typerated guys, then why not ask the selected cpl candidates to get their own rating ??
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pkboeing, The first batch of 2011 which was sent for type rating (in June/July 14) came back in August 2014, the next batch came back in September 2014. Till Oct-Nov 2014 one batch was being sent to UK every two months for type rating . If Jet wanted they could have started with supernumeraries and LOFT of the first batch in August itself, but they did not. Same goes for every other batch that returned from UK, they were all put on hold. The reason for this as far as I know is because Jet has been facing a shortage of trainers, this point was mentioned in the DGCA audit that had taken place around the same time as well.
So as you can see for yourself, it is not that it takes too long to train a CPL holder for a type rating, the problem here is that it is taking Jet too long to place the type rated guys online. Jet may be short of captains but as far as first officers are concerned they don't seem to be facing a shortage or else they would have fixed this problem a long time ago.
So as you can see for yourself, it is not that it takes too long to train a CPL holder for a type rating, the problem here is that it is taking Jet too long to place the type rated guys online. Jet may be short of captains but as far as first officers are concerned they don't seem to be facing a shortage or else they would have fixed this problem a long time ago.
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@sierra nov - Whether my words hold water or not we will see..Time has all the answers..Since the validity of rating goes most of the candidates are renewing their IR...AFter the results are declared of 2014 batch, rated candidates will be expedited not the ab initio..After induction of rated guys they will bring online in 7-8 months..I never said that 2014 rated guys wuld be placed first than the rated guys(2011-36) who are sitting..Obviously they wuld be given prefrence..Already 4 people have joined jet lite and they have started their training..next 4 to join in a fortnight..after finishing induction of 36 people(2011) 2014 rated guys will be called for induction..As far as recruitment goes of 2014 rated guys they can finish it in 20 days after declaring the result...
In ur second quote whatever u r saying is absolutely correct..but the point where i differ from u is that it takes arnd 3-4 months extra time for an ab initio to bring him online..and as of today jet dosent have that much of time,thats why they have put the 2013 batch on indefinite hold and delayed the induction of rest of the guys of 2011 batch..
It was not abt having insufficient no of trainers or examiners...The thing was that DGCA had changed the CAR..In LOFT the 3 or 6 take off landing that people used to do were in a single airport..where the company used to take 5 or 6 candidates in a go and they were dne with the LOFT...But then DGCA ammended the CAR and stated that the 3 T/O and Landing that operateor used to do cannot be done on a single airport..2 Take off Landings can be done on a single airport and the last one on a diff airport..So this slowed down their process to clear people..Nw u getting my point..Now again Dgca has changed it..So now the training will becme Fast..nw again things will start moving..
I agree that their planning is not upto the mark...They lack in long vision planning..
What i am saying are not my words..these are jet words..
I am not against the 2011 batch or 2013 batch..
They are going to give preference to the rated guys of 2011 batch then rated guys of 2014 batch..shayad u wnt agree but this is going to happen..As i told u time has all the answers..u will also see..
In ur second quote whatever u r saying is absolutely correct..but the point where i differ from u is that it takes arnd 3-4 months extra time for an ab initio to bring him online..and as of today jet dosent have that much of time,thats why they have put the 2013 batch on indefinite hold and delayed the induction of rest of the guys of 2011 batch..
It was not abt having insufficient no of trainers or examiners...The thing was that DGCA had changed the CAR..In LOFT the 3 or 6 take off landing that people used to do were in a single airport..where the company used to take 5 or 6 candidates in a go and they were dne with the LOFT...But then DGCA ammended the CAR and stated that the 3 T/O and Landing that operateor used to do cannot be done on a single airport..2 Take off Landings can be done on a single airport and the last one on a diff airport..So this slowed down their process to clear people..Nw u getting my point..Now again Dgca has changed it..So now the training will becme Fast..nw again things will start moving..
I agree that their planning is not upto the mark...They lack in long vision planning..
What i am saying are not my words..these are jet words..
I am not against the 2011 batch or 2013 batch..
They are going to give preference to the rated guys of 2011 batch then rated guys of 2014 batch..shayad u wnt agree but this is going to happen..As i told u time has all the answers..u will also see..
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@pkboeing
On page 102 of this thread, two of your posts were:
1) Any idea when the result of the 2014 exam will be declared?
2) Any idea when the type rated candidates of the 2014 batch will be called?
That was posted by you just a few days ago, your very own words. And now all of us sudden, not only are you sure that the 2014 written results will be soon, but also that the type rated candidates of the 2014 batch will be called before anybody else.
You amuse me, you really do
I understand you're from the 2014 batch and you're equally anxious to join Jet like the rest of us. But please be patient and wait in line. Coming up with the most ridiculous rumors isn't going to help you or anyone else on this thread
P.S. - If Jet was so keen to take on the type rated candidates from your batch, they wouldn't have taken 5 whole months (and still counting) to declare the written result. Don't you think? Just worth a thought
On page 102 of this thread, two of your posts were:
1) Any idea when the result of the 2014 exam will be declared?
2) Any idea when the type rated candidates of the 2014 batch will be called?
That was posted by you just a few days ago, your very own words. And now all of us sudden, not only are you sure that the 2014 written results will be soon, but also that the type rated candidates of the 2014 batch will be called before anybody else.
You amuse me, you really do
I understand you're from the 2014 batch and you're equally anxious to join Jet like the rest of us. But please be patient and wait in line. Coming up with the most ridiculous rumors isn't going to help you or anyone else on this thread
P.S. - If Jet was so keen to take on the type rated candidates from your batch, they wouldn't have taken 5 whole months (and still counting) to declare the written result. Don't you think? Just worth a thought
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Wow ! Now you've taken this to a whole new level !
So, what you're trying to say is, Jet had to put the training of 40 type rated pilots on hold because they would need to do one extra landing at a different airport and they decided it would be better to wait till DGCA changes this rule. Where are you getting all this information from ?
As far as recruitment goes of 2014 rated guys they can finish it in 20 days after declaring the result...
It was not abt having insufficient no of trainers or examiners...The thing was that DGCA had changed the CAR..In LOFT the 3 or 6 take off landing that people used to do were in a single airport..where the company used to take 5 or 6 candidates in a go and they were dne with the LOFT...But then DGCA ammended the CAR and stated that the 3 T/O and Landing that operateor used to do cannot be done on a single airport..2 Take off Landings can be done on a single airport and the last one on a diff airport..So this slowed down their process to clear people..Nw u getting my point..Now again Dgca has changed it..So now the training will becme Fast..nw again things will start moving.
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@aroumika : i only posted those two lines coz that time i had no news abt the result..when i got the news i posted it..
I dnt amuse people,rather jet amuses people..
first of all i have not even given the exam of 2014, so pls dnt think that i am from 2014 batch...I dnt cme up with these kind of rumours and by posting on this thread i am not going to cme online with jet airways...
The word of thought that u r giving is very nice one...but remember one thing i am not a fool when i am writing smething..
they were suppose to declare the result in Oct 2014 but people from spice jet started cmg to jet airways thats why they dropped the idea of declaring the result..and they are busy to bring spice people online coz they also have to do few sessions on the sim coz of change of operator..When things will happen for the rated guys of 2014 batch then i will say hello to u and if it dosent u say to me..
P.S one more thing a word of thought i would also like to give to u..Just tell me why did jet sent e-mails to 2011 batch and 2013 batch, that their training will be delayed(2011) and for 2013 batch next stage of PME has been put on for indefinite hold..just think...
I dnt amuse people,rather jet amuses people..
first of all i have not even given the exam of 2014, so pls dnt think that i am from 2014 batch...I dnt cme up with these kind of rumours and by posting on this thread i am not going to cme online with jet airways...
The word of thought that u r giving is very nice one...but remember one thing i am not a fool when i am writing smething..
they were suppose to declare the result in Oct 2014 but people from spice jet started cmg to jet airways thats why they dropped the idea of declaring the result..and they are busy to bring spice people online coz they also have to do few sessions on the sim coz of change of operator..When things will happen for the rated guys of 2014 batch then i will say hello to u and if it dosent u say to me..
P.S one more thing a word of thought i would also like to give to u..Just tell me why did jet sent e-mails to 2011 batch and 2013 batch, that their training will be delayed(2011) and for 2013 batch next stage of PME has been put on for indefinite hold..just think...
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@Sierra Nov : I am not taking anything to a new level..I was just saying that they can finish with the recruitment in 20 days(minimum time) of rated guys(2014) if they require pilots...I am not trying to say this"Jet had to put the training of 40 type rated"
u r getting me wrong..
why they couldnt start training of 36-40 rated guys from 2011 batch i will tell u why..
by the time they finished their training adn got their license endorsed it was arnd Sept or Oct..Do u agree or not.?
They were busy with the rated guys of 2013 batch(FEB) who got inducted by getting a re re re chance to put them online..soon after this rated guys who were inducted from July 2013(Ab initio exam) they were busy in bringing them online..then spice people started cmg in..then few frm lion air were also there.and due to the ammendmend in CAR the training of all those people got delayed...thats why 2011 rated guys got delayed...this is the reason..
And again i am saying that i am not against 2011 batch guys..i have full sympathy with them...2011 rated guys will be called first then the 2014 rated guys coz they are going to give prefrence to rated guys..Pls try to understand what i am saying instead of just snapping me.,.If u dnt agree its fine..we will see in few months of time..
u r getting me wrong..
why they couldnt start training of 36-40 rated guys from 2011 batch i will tell u why..
by the time they finished their training adn got their license endorsed it was arnd Sept or Oct..Do u agree or not.?
They were busy with the rated guys of 2013 batch(FEB) who got inducted by getting a re re re chance to put them online..soon after this rated guys who were inducted from July 2013(Ab initio exam) they were busy in bringing them online..then spice people started cmg in..then few frm lion air were also there.and due to the ammendmend in CAR the training of all those people got delayed...thats why 2011 rated guys got delayed...this is the reason..
And again i am saying that i am not against 2011 batch guys..i have full sympathy with them...2011 rated guys will be called first then the 2014 rated guys coz they are going to give prefrence to rated guys..Pls try to understand what i am saying instead of just snapping me.,.If u dnt agree its fine..we will see in few months of time..
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Not sure either
But there's a certain number of pprune rules mentioned under the FAQs section. It's possible that one of the moderators found a violation of one or more of those rules. That's my best guess.
But there's a certain number of pprune rules mentioned under the FAQs section. It's possible that one of the moderators found a violation of one or more of those rules. That's my best guess.
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