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404 Titan,
many thanks for taking the time to provide wannabes here with such useful information/insight/advice that would not be readily accessible otherwise. just a quick question - for all our discussions, we have assumed that all cadets get assigned onto pax fleets upon graduation from cadet training. do cadets ever get assigned to freighter aircraft? and if so (or if the cadet was to transfer from pax to freighter at a later date), would a career on freighters provide any discrepancies from the figures you have raised above?
thanks once again for your help. it'd be great to have the opportunity to fly with you in the future.
many thanks for taking the time to provide wannabes here with such useful information/insight/advice that would not be readily accessible otherwise. just a quick question - for all our discussions, we have assumed that all cadets get assigned onto pax fleets upon graduation from cadet training. do cadets ever get assigned to freighter aircraft? and if so (or if the cadet was to transfer from pax to freighter at a later date), would a career on freighters provide any discrepancies from the figures you have raised above?
thanks once again for your help. it'd be great to have the opportunity to fly with you in the future.
holdmetight
There is only one Conditions of Service 08 (COS08) on offer from the company now. If you join now you are required to fly both. Of course this currently only applies to those flying the B744 but everyone that now joins CX will have this requirement in their contract.
There is only one Conditions of Service 08 (COS08) on offer from the company now. If you join now you are required to fly both. Of course this currently only applies to those flying the B744 but everyone that now joins CX will have this requirement in their contract.
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Since you have only done your stage three selection process on the 20th Aug 2009 you are not in a position to make such a claim. I’ve been at CX quite some time and have the figures.
Incorrect. CX has a policy of letting go those that don't make the grade whether DE or Cadet.
Since the CPP started only a handful have ever failed
And chances are, if CX has paid all the time and money into your training, they're going to hire you.
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One issue that hasn't been raised is that expats can use the housing system to buy many properties over their career, I know two F/Os with 10 properties each in HK, both less than 10yrs in CX.
It's all a gamble I know and could go tits up for them. The point is CEPs are NOT given the OPPORTUNITY to do this.
All expats know that it's the housing they are coming for as they can make more money in the property market than CX ever pays.
When CX gives pay rises they adjust the housing scheme!
One more point the $24K for Local Captains is NOT housing it is a level D allowance paid to all Local level D staff. It does not change or get adjusted with inflation like housing does.
It's all a gamble I know and could go tits up for them. The point is CEPs are NOT given the OPPORTUNITY to do this.
All expats know that it's the housing they are coming for as they can make more money in the property market than CX ever pays.
When CX gives pay rises they adjust the housing scheme!
One more point the $24K for Local Captains is NOT housing it is a level D allowance paid to all Local level D staff. It does not change or get adjusted with inflation like housing does.
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Tition404 is correct
I applied and was successfull in obtaining a stage 1 interview but got the old "while we are impressed with your abilities, other candidates are considered to be more suitable" email.
I have CPL MECIR and 300 hrs, a good mate has ATPL MECIR and 2000hrs. We both failed to get through the first stage. However I know of a young fella that got through to stage 2 and possibly 3 and has only about 2 hrs flight time. perhaps they want to triain them the Cathay way.
I'm not sure what they look for in these interviews and it would have been nice to get through but the sun will come up again in the morning and life will go on. I did also email and ask for feedback on my interview and again got the generic email "please understand that because of the large amount of applicants we are unable to give feedback" email. Still very very hard to find GA jobs in Aus at the moment.
Titan404, thankyou for your help it is much appreciated the airlines need more people like yourself. When it comes to aviation I have read a motto that Neil Armstrong wrote in his biography. I was reading it years ago and it rings pretty bloody true to me, it goes
Tell me, and I'll forget
Show me, and I may remember
INVOLVE me, and I will learn
I applied and was successfull in obtaining a stage 1 interview but got the old "while we are impressed with your abilities, other candidates are considered to be more suitable" email.
I have CPL MECIR and 300 hrs, a good mate has ATPL MECIR and 2000hrs. We both failed to get through the first stage. However I know of a young fella that got through to stage 2 and possibly 3 and has only about 2 hrs flight time. perhaps they want to triain them the Cathay way.
I'm not sure what they look for in these interviews and it would have been nice to get through but the sun will come up again in the morning and life will go on. I did also email and ask for feedback on my interview and again got the generic email "please understand that because of the large amount of applicants we are unable to give feedback" email. Still very very hard to find GA jobs in Aus at the moment.
Titan404, thankyou for your help it is much appreciated the airlines need more people like yourself. When it comes to aviation I have read a motto that Neil Armstrong wrote in his biography. I was reading it years ago and it rings pretty bloody true to me, it goes
Tell me, and I'll forget
Show me, and I may remember
INVOLVE me, and I will learn
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What ever you want. Only local, entry level Managers and Cpt's are Level D.
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I'm sorry to hear that my friend. Don't give up though. Remember the squeaky door gets the oil. Reapply as soon as you can. I think it is 12 months if memory serves me correctly. Also don't close the door to all the avenues into this industry. If you are keen, persistant and willing to leave your comfort zone you will make it.
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I'm sorry to hear that my friend. Don't give up though. Remember the squeaky door gets the oil. Reapply as soon as you can. I think it is 12 months if memory serves me correctly. Also don't close the door to all the avenues into this industry. If you are keen, persistant and willing to leave your comfort zone you will make it.
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One issue that hasn't been raised is that expats can use the housing system to buy many properties over their career, I know two F/Os with 10 properties each in HK, both less than 10yrs in CX.
this is a Fragrant Harbour WANNABE forum - mostly guys like me without even 1 minute flying time. YET you expect us to already be thinking about a Real Estate Portfolio??????
Thats the reason why no one has raised this effing issue!!!
FFS - what is wrong with you guys? Talk about a broken record.
Yes I get the point that CX is shafting international cadets on the CPP. Will you let it go now? Please.
You lot must be a bundle of laughs to work with.
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Clinty83,
The fact that you had those hours (and your mate with 2000hrs) etc was probably one of the reasons why your application was successful and you got to Stage 1.
But then the slate is wiped clean (like with all subsequent stages) and you start on an even keel.
So thats the English Test, Reasoning Test, Aviation Knowledge (that a guy with 0 hours can actually learn in a week) and an Interview (which is with HR and not pilots).
Now for the 4 points I listed above, 3 hours or 3000 hours is irrelevant. I'm pretty sure the the CPL/ME IR does not include reasoning test training.
I'm guessing therefore that you were probably ill-prepared thinking that your "300 hours" was enough to get you through when it actually only got you tthrough to Stage 1.
And if you had made it to Stage 2, you would have had to do 2 group activites. Again 300 hours means nothing if it is obvious you couldn't work with your team.
The fact that you had those hours (and your mate with 2000hrs) etc was probably one of the reasons why your application was successful and you got to Stage 1.
But then the slate is wiped clean (like with all subsequent stages) and you start on an even keel.
So thats the English Test, Reasoning Test, Aviation Knowledge (that a guy with 0 hours can actually learn in a week) and an Interview (which is with HR and not pilots).
Now for the 4 points I listed above, 3 hours or 3000 hours is irrelevant. I'm pretty sure the the CPL/ME IR does not include reasoning test training.
I'm guessing therefore that you were probably ill-prepared thinking that your "300 hours" was enough to get you through when it actually only got you tthrough to Stage 1.
And if you had made it to Stage 2, you would have had to do 2 group activites. Again 300 hours means nothing if it is obvious you couldn't work with your team.
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I was just responding to "I don't know what Cathay are looking for...even though I have 300 hours.....my mate has 2000...and we didn't get past stage 1".
Perhaps it was that attitude that meant Clinty and his mate didn't get further than Stage 1 yet the guy with less than 2 hours did.
The guy asked the question - I merely answered it in my opinion. Could you tell me exactly why I should pull my head in? I fail to see any malice in my post to Clinty83.
Perhaps it was that attitude that meant Clinty and his mate didn't get further than Stage 1 yet the guy with less than 2 hours did.
The guy asked the question - I merely answered it in my opinion. Could you tell me exactly why I should pull my head in? I fail to see any malice in my post to Clinty83.
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Well Triplespool,
It appears you are not very forward thinking so god help you as flying is a job where you have to be ahead of the A/C, you better get you situational awareness together.
If you get into CX, you wait, you will eventually bitch and moan about not having housing when you see how much it contributes to life in HK, so don't say you weren't warned.
This is a wannabes forum for people to learn everything, the good and the bad not just the stuff from CX.
It appears you are not very forward thinking so god help you as flying is a job where you have to be ahead of the A/C, you better get you situational awareness together.
If you get into CX, you wait, you will eventually bitch and moan about not having housing when you see how much it contributes to life in HK, so don't say you weren't warned.
This is a wannabes forum for people to learn everything, the good and the bad not just the stuff from CX.
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CPP or DESO i dont care ???
CPP or DESO i dont care ???
housing allowance or not ... does not bother me
i just turned 20 .. i need 500 AUD a month to eat , entertain and commute + housing expense extra ...even if i dont save a penny at the end of 6 years at CX through CPP i will be happy atleast i get to fly and have food in my stomach .. all else is not important to me .. as far a family is concern will find someone who earns for herself and kids ( will cross that bridge when we come to it ) ...
apart from that "anything with wings, i will fly it like a man " - heard from someone smart .. why not a 744/777 at CX ..
well i just applied for CPP online today anyone knows when is the 1st interview gonna be held in AUS or Hong Kong .. ????
thanks people .. great thoughts on this forum - a few lines from me and my worthless humour
housing allowance or not ... does not bother me
i just turned 20 .. i need 500 AUD a month to eat , entertain and commute + housing expense extra ...even if i dont save a penny at the end of 6 years at CX through CPP i will be happy atleast i get to fly and have food in my stomach .. all else is not important to me .. as far a family is concern will find someone who earns for herself and kids ( will cross that bridge when we come to it ) ...
apart from that "anything with wings, i will fly it like a man " - heard from someone smart .. why not a 744/777 at CX ..
well i just applied for CPP online today anyone knows when is the 1st interview gonna be held in AUS or Hong Kong .. ????
thanks people .. great thoughts on this forum - a few lines from me and my worthless humour
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It appears you are not very forward thinking so god help you as flying is a job where you have to be ahead of the A/C, you better get you situational awareness together.
Can anyone confirm that at Stage 2 and 3 interviews, the Traning Captains ask you whether you feel upset at the fact that you wont own 10 properties by the time you reach FO?
SMOC, you have now crossed the line between making a point, and being pathetic.
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I've followed this thread, and it's obvious that we all have different opinions
Thats a great thing because its human!
But theres no need for "anonymous" discussion to turn into "flaming".
Having read the comments, and I will admit that i was one of the few to PM 404 titan.
I just want to conclude that,
a. It appears that triplespool is about the passion..which i believe all pilots should have.
b. what 404 titan and others have said are words from experience. So whilst when you're starting off young, its easy to believe in different goals. But as you mature.....and as your "family" grows money, housing, school allowance etc does become a focus.
My conclusion, both sides have their valid points. I don't think 404 titan has lost the love for aviation, I simply believe that theres no need to show it on a forum, but that his objectives have also changed a little. From the looks of it, to benefit in the long term for his family..and its something thats worth respecting.
So could we all just agree do disagree....and just close this
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Thats a great thing because its human!
But theres no need for "anonymous" discussion to turn into "flaming".
Having read the comments, and I will admit that i was one of the few to PM 404 titan.
I just want to conclude that,
a. It appears that triplespool is about the passion..which i believe all pilots should have.
b. what 404 titan and others have said are words from experience. So whilst when you're starting off young, its easy to believe in different goals. But as you mature.....and as your "family" grows money, housing, school allowance etc does become a focus.
My conclusion, both sides have their valid points. I don't think 404 titan has lost the love for aviation, I simply believe that theres no need to show it on a forum, but that his objectives have also changed a little. From the looks of it, to benefit in the long term for his family..and its something thats worth respecting.
So could we all just agree do disagree....and just close this
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I tend to agree with those who've pointed out that it really is up to you as an individual as to whether this CX programme is right for you. The figures are there, do the sums and shut up. Titan 404 obviously knows what he's on about as he's in the pointy end of a big shiny plane with CX. Good job. I'd fancy the same thing (very much) but we have to be realistic about HK living costs too in terms of what they offer cadets upon graduation. So much of what's been said is speculation and bitching and is really unpleasant. I find in general on Pprune there is a lot of bitching and oneupmanship. I wonder why. Triplespool, a lot of your points are well taken but your attitude is awful.
Also, at others: Please spell correctly. It really is annoying reading crap English. ur, urs, and u are not words. 'It's' means 'it is'. 'Its' is a possessive pronoun. For instance, "the plane could no longer fly when its tail fell off." This might help with the verbal reasoning.
God bless,
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Also, at others: Please spell correctly. It really is annoying reading crap English. ur, urs, and u are not words. 'It's' means 'it is'. 'Its' is a possessive pronoun. For instance, "the plane could no longer fly when its tail fell off." This might help with the verbal reasoning.
God bless,
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Triplespool,
You're missing the point, I'm giving you warts and all about the program, that's all. Some have considered this and decided it's fine which is good, they will probably stay on and fight for better conditions in the future, others have decided they will need housing due to their circumstances which is also good.
During the Interview, yes you will get asked about housing, if they think you don't understand the pro's and con's of housing they may think you haven't done you're home work. Then they'll ask again and say what about in the future when you have a family? Have you thought about these questions? You can't say I haven't thought about it or I'll cross that bridge when it comes!
Besides finding those suitable to finish the course, they will try to sift out those who will not stay without housing, even though they say they will.
The smart thing to do is to get on the course and decide about staying once you get to HK, and not let the interviewers know this.
The interviewers will see through the completely blinkered "I get to fly a 744" candidates who are blinded about everything else to do with the course, they also will see through those have done '0' towards a flying career until the CX course was offered, the I couldn't afford it will be no excuse, if you want to fly badly enough you will find a way.
Good luck to all.
You're missing the point, I'm giving you warts and all about the program, that's all. Some have considered this and decided it's fine which is good, they will probably stay on and fight for better conditions in the future, others have decided they will need housing due to their circumstances which is also good.
During the Interview, yes you will get asked about housing, if they think you don't understand the pro's and con's of housing they may think you haven't done you're home work. Then they'll ask again and say what about in the future when you have a family? Have you thought about these questions? You can't say I haven't thought about it or I'll cross that bridge when it comes!
Besides finding those suitable to finish the course, they will try to sift out those who will not stay without housing, even though they say they will.
The smart thing to do is to get on the course and decide about staying once you get to HK, and not let the interviewers know this.
The interviewers will see through the completely blinkered "I get to fly a 744" candidates who are blinded about everything else to do with the course, they also will see through those have done '0' towards a flying career until the CX course was offered, the I couldn't afford it will be no excuse, if you want to fly badly enough you will find a way.
Good luck to all.
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Ah you have a lot to learn Grasshopper. Living with mummy and daddy has clouded your mind.
i just turned 20 .. i need 500 AUD a month to eat , entertain and commute + housing expense extra ...even if i dont save a penny at the end of 6 years at CX through CPP i will be happy atleast i get to fly and have food in my stomach .. all else is not important to me .. as far a family is concern will find someone who earns for herself and kids ( will cross that bridge when we come to it ) ...