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Ok, before this gets out of hand...
For you wannabes and students out there, try to research what an STC or Supplemental Type Certificate is. Before you criticize Philippine schools based on this fact know the rationale behind their use of automotive gasoline and if they've complied with the legal requirements for it's usage.
YES, IT'S PERFECTLY LEGAL! Provided you follow strict, specialized procedures from the aircraft or engine manufacturer.
As with anything in this field and in the name of professionalism, know the facts first, gentlemen before you blow your horns.
Now let the discussion continue.
For you wannabes and students out there, try to research what an STC or Supplemental Type Certificate is. Before you criticize Philippine schools based on this fact know the rationale behind their use of automotive gasoline and if they've complied with the legal requirements for it's usage.
YES, IT'S PERFECTLY LEGAL! Provided you follow strict, specialized procedures from the aircraft or engine manufacturer.
As with anything in this field and in the name of professionalism, know the facts first, gentlemen before you blow your horns.
Now let the discussion continue.
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****** up aviation world in philippines!
in philippines its legal, and everywhere else its not. so think 2 times before backing up youre homecountries school. and for example pal, they are banned in the EU list and faa dont like them also. philippines had alot of airplane crash compared to other countries. and the top 300 list of most dangerous airlines to ride with is pal and airphil.
guys, dont fly with moulgas ( car gasoline with airplane fuel), its dangerous and need much more control. aswell the plane also loose alot of power.
with faa licenses u can buy a cheap typerating with schools that has alot of connections. and caap licenses, i wounder how much to buy a typerating in garbadge town Manila?
and u guys will save alot of money choose the states, flying hour on 172 is around 6000 pesos, in philippines around 10k.
guys, dont fly with moulgas ( car gasoline with airplane fuel), its dangerous and need much more control. aswell the plane also loose alot of power.
with faa licenses u can buy a cheap typerating with schools that has alot of connections. and caap licenses, i wounder how much to buy a typerating in garbadge town Manila?
and u guys will save alot of money choose the states, flying hour on 172 is around 6000 pesos, in philippines around 10k.
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in philippines its legal, and everywhere else its not.
Everywhere else it's illegal? You sure you're an FAA certificate holder? Think 2 times (sic) before you blow your horn, again.
philippines had alot of airplane crash compared to other countries. and the top 300 list of most dangerous airlines to ride with is pal and airphil.
Fly by the numbers!
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and u guys will save alot of money choose the states, flying hour on 172 is around 6000 pesos, in philippines around 10k.
That, in my opinion, makes the biggest difference between the Philippines and developed countries when it comes to flight training. In the PI, the CAAP doesn't care how many of your students flunk. Mainly because almost nobody fails on a checkride there. As long as they can provide an "incentive" ($) to the check pilot, they're sure to get their licenses after 1-2 weeks.
People can argue the whole day about equipment, FUEL and pricing. But at the end of the day, it's the quality of instruction that you receive which will determine whether or not it's worth it.
And any top-quality instructor won't get into an unsafe aircraft. Trust me.
If you're going to argue that flight training is better in other countries, focus on things that really matter. Doing so would also provide better goals and objectives in determining how to improve the industry in the Philippines.
If you even care, that is.
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Aviation News - Top 10 Most Dangerous Airlines , this is about the safety records. read the jaa law book were u cant mix any airplane fuel with lower than 100octane, as in philippines they mix it with 95. but faa is different from jaa , jaa is the highest and faa is also good. yeah im a faa holder and jaa. i finished my jaa conversion in norway in january. offcourse the instruction is most important, and also the safety of the student pilot. all i want to give to the students who gonna spend a fortune on their studies, is pick a school with good reputation and so on. and the most important will be the quality of the sertificates he gonna hold. if u say against me on this that caap licenses are made of same quality as jaa or faa. think twice.
Dette er verdens farligste flyselskaper - nyheter - Dagbladet.no
the latest link is from a big newspaper in norway, and lifeinsurance in my country doesent pay anything if i would get injured with any airplane in philippines. maybe this is something to think about when it comes to safety. and the biggest reason with philippines carriers are safety conserns, from the airplane itself to passangers. anyway i choosed a good school in florida, and did my jaa conversion. now i got a job in Qatar airways and will begin line training in july. maybe its good to come from a school with a good name on my papers, or just luck? and by the way i didnt know anybody who helped me out, the world out there is fair many places, u dont need to know somebody to get youre first job in a airline, just be pasient, and good things happens to good people!
Dette er verdens farligste flyselskaper - nyheter - Dagbladet.no
the latest link is from a big newspaper in norway, and lifeinsurance in my country doesent pay anything if i would get injured with any airplane in philippines. maybe this is something to think about when it comes to safety. and the biggest reason with philippines carriers are safety conserns, from the airplane itself to passangers. anyway i choosed a good school in florida, and did my jaa conversion. now i got a job in Qatar airways and will begin line training in july. maybe its good to come from a school with a good name on my papers, or just luck? and by the way i didnt know anybody who helped me out, the world out there is fair many places, u dont need to know somebody to get youre first job in a airline, just be pasient, and good things happens to good people!
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and by the way, i have many friends in philippines who got over to florida when i studied. the other one went to domaguete , and he lost almost all his money because the owner took it and went away. and some other from omni aswell who escaped. they finished a bit before me since they had more hours when i was at my ppl stage. they finished up, they had around 900 hours after 1,5 year, and once they finished they did typerating at aerostar in florida. now all of them are with airphil and cebu pacific.
but they had connections from uncles who worked there and asked me if i was interested. but i rejected since i want to try come into a better airline. and they told me in philippines it sucks bigtime so long you are not friend with lucio. and believe choose states and then go back to philippines and get a job. the price u gonna spend there will be included typerating and ppl,ir,cpl,me,cfi,cfii,mei in states. and u dont need to pay anything under the table to pass, its all about youre skills. if u guys want any information, just send me a message, i will be happy to help u guys!
but they had connections from uncles who worked there and asked me if i was interested. but i rejected since i want to try come into a better airline. and they told me in philippines it sucks bigtime so long you are not friend with lucio. and believe choose states and then go back to philippines and get a job. the price u gonna spend there will be included typerating and ppl,ir,cpl,me,cfi,cfii,mei in states. and u dont need to pay anything under the table to pass, its all about youre skills. if u guys want any information, just send me a message, i will be happy to help u guys!
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@dnomyer:
I would just like to comment on the link claiming that you placed to verify your statement that Philippine Airlines is one of the most dangerous airlines to fly with.
Aviation News - Top 10 Most Dangerous Airlines
"No.4 Philippine Airlines
Founded in 1941, this is the national carrier of the Philippines. If it wasn’t for a series of terrorist incidents, this airline probably would not appear on this list. Unfortunately, it seems to fall victim to attacks far more often than most airlines. There have been at least three bombs and one hijacking in its 70-year history. Despite this catalog of misfortune, a small crumb of comfort is the relatively low number of deaths -- the worst tragedy saw the plane disintegrate after a suspected bomb explosion in a lavatory, killing 36 people.
Completed flights: 1.18 million Fatal accidents: 6 Deaths: 107"
If you read the article carefully and critically, you would find that PAL is not as bad as you would think. Here are my points:
1) The author states "If it wasn’t for a series of terrorist incidents, this airline probably would not appear on this list. Unfortunately, it seems to fall victim to attacks far more often than most airlines. "
- which means, it was airport security that failed and not of fault of the airline itself. Also, there was really no reason for them to be in the list in the first place if not for the terrorist attacks.
2) The statistically speaking, 107/118,000,000 (assuming the 1.8 million flights = at least 100 passengers/flight) make .0000009% of people who have died compared to the millions who have already flown with the airline.
3) With a history of 70 years, of course the probability goes up that a fatal accident occurs therefore the author is wrong to solely base his figures on number of fatalities and accidents. A better sample would have been total accidents/ number of flights. Actually, there are a lot more variables the author could have used that are much better but I don't think he cared that much and simply wanted to exaggerate things.
4) What I think happens is this actually builds to the airman-ship of the Filipino pilot! Imagine having a BOMB blowing up with a hole in your plane and still landing the plane. Now, I don't think you have a right to lam-bast the airlines in Philippines until you have done the same yourself.
And do you know where a lot of airlines in the east go to have their planes maintained - Luftansa Tek Philippines - Technically part owned by Philippine Airlines.
I would just like to comment on the link claiming that you placed to verify your statement that Philippine Airlines is one of the most dangerous airlines to fly with.
Aviation News - Top 10 Most Dangerous Airlines
"No.4 Philippine Airlines
Founded in 1941, this is the national carrier of the Philippines. If it wasn’t for a series of terrorist incidents, this airline probably would not appear on this list. Unfortunately, it seems to fall victim to attacks far more often than most airlines. There have been at least three bombs and one hijacking in its 70-year history. Despite this catalog of misfortune, a small crumb of comfort is the relatively low number of deaths -- the worst tragedy saw the plane disintegrate after a suspected bomb explosion in a lavatory, killing 36 people.
Completed flights: 1.18 million Fatal accidents: 6 Deaths: 107"
If you read the article carefully and critically, you would find that PAL is not as bad as you would think. Here are my points:
1) The author states "If it wasn’t for a series of terrorist incidents, this airline probably would not appear on this list. Unfortunately, it seems to fall victim to attacks far more often than most airlines. "
- which means, it was airport security that failed and not of fault of the airline itself. Also, there was really no reason for them to be in the list in the first place if not for the terrorist attacks.
2) The statistically speaking, 107/118,000,000 (assuming the 1.8 million flights = at least 100 passengers/flight) make .0000009% of people who have died compared to the millions who have already flown with the airline.
3) With a history of 70 years, of course the probability goes up that a fatal accident occurs therefore the author is wrong to solely base his figures on number of fatalities and accidents. A better sample would have been total accidents/ number of flights. Actually, there are a lot more variables the author could have used that are much better but I don't think he cared that much and simply wanted to exaggerate things.
4) What I think happens is this actually builds to the airman-ship of the Filipino pilot! Imagine having a BOMB blowing up with a hole in your plane and still landing the plane. Now, I don't think you have a right to lam-bast the airlines in Philippines until you have done the same yourself.
And do you know where a lot of airlines in the east go to have their planes maintained - Luftansa Tek Philippines - Technically part owned by Philippine Airlines.
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I am going to philippine next month to study but still havnt decided the aviation school.
It would be nice if some of u can suggest me an aviation school and pros n cons.
Currently, I am thinking about Omni (the best reputation I've found so far) and WCC (some private cadets and airline sponsored pilots from my country). I cant find any info about WCC on the web and they delete some posts in the discussion in their face-book.
hoping for a reply.
peace out
It would be nice if some of u can suggest me an aviation school and pros n cons.
Currently, I am thinking about Omni (the best reputation I've found so far) and WCC (some private cadets and airline sponsored pilots from my country). I cant find any info about WCC on the web and they delete some posts in the discussion in their face-book.
hoping for a reply.
peace out
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@ Fisherboy:
Omni and WCC are good schools. Omni is much closer to the Capital and you can schedule your lessons with their FIs.
I have a friend who is an instructor at WCC and they're services are not bad. Planes are maintained well.
If you have a sponsor airline, try Clark Av as well.
What Nationality are you by the way?
Omni and WCC are good schools. Omni is much closer to the Capital and you can schedule your lessons with their FIs.
I have a friend who is an instructor at WCC and they're services are not bad. Planes are maintained well.
If you have a sponsor airline, try Clark Av as well.
What Nationality are you by the way?
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opinions please
I'm from Myanmar and heard that there r more than 17 students from my country.
wonder why they didnt join Omni that has very good reputation. could anyone explain why they choose WCC over it? and which school can finish faster?
WCC offers 8 months package but always take more time than they said.
which school can get philippine license faster?
wonder why they didnt join Omni that has very good reputation. could anyone explain why they choose WCC over it? and which school can finish faster?
WCC offers 8 months package but always take more time than they said.
which school can get philippine license faster?
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omni's fuel was checked and certified by caap. this was after caap tightened and increased its standards to weed out any and all unscrupulous identities.
assigning blame to just one organization is unfair and biased. if you want to place blame, include those that allowed that in the first place. caap allowed omni to use mogas.
if the usage of mogas is illegal, then caap shouldnt have allowed omni to use it. they should have grounded the whole fleet until they changed the fuel to avgas.
but the thing is, omni passed the caap checks where other flying schools didnt.
it IS a tragedy that the two died. but assign blame where blame should be assigned, and include those that should be included.
targeting your hate and anger at omni wont bring the two back.
granted omni has its own skidmarks inside their front doors, but if you do dig deeper, its like striking oil...
update: omni -> zest, airphil, cebu pac, sea air, air asia, pal (the airline, not the school)
assigning blame to just one organization is unfair and biased. if you want to place blame, include those that allowed that in the first place. caap allowed omni to use mogas.
if the usage of mogas is illegal, then caap shouldnt have allowed omni to use it. they should have grounded the whole fleet until they changed the fuel to avgas.
but the thing is, omni passed the caap checks where other flying schools didnt.
it IS a tragedy that the two died. but assign blame where blame should be assigned, and include those that should be included.
targeting your hate and anger at omni wont bring the two back.
granted omni has its own skidmarks inside their front doors, but if you do dig deeper, its like striking oil...
update: omni -> zest, airphil, cebu pac, sea air, air asia, pal (the airline, not the school)
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y'know what? considering that omni did just suffer its first fatal accident, there STILL are students enrolling...
from last i heard, theres 5 that are starting their ground school and 7 starting flight training soon...
...bee in your bonnet, potter?
"stop the hate"
from last i heard, theres 5 that are starting their ground school and 7 starting flight training soon...
...bee in your bonnet, potter?
"stop the hate"
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any one hear heard of All Asia Aviation Academy (AAA)? just visited their office in manila and will be doing a tour of their facility in iba zambales. pls guys any feedback or info regarding this school would be greately appreciated. thanks
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