Avion Express A320 off-piste at Vilnius

[Ragneir]

Originally Posted by Magplug

I get the impression Ragneir is employed in the Avion PR department..... For PR read 'Damage Limitation'.

Lmao, go ahead and read what I do from my profile. I'm a pilot and I knew about this incident before 99% of any of you. We're already being briefed, we already have access to the FDR about the incident and doing exactly what the industry is meant to do: Understand why it happened, how it happened and how to prevent it from happening again.

Honestly I just come to the forums to watch people armchair the **** out of whatever incident you guys decide, and I find it pretty hilarious that, if this were a flag carrier, you'd be praising the guy for leaving the mud instead of chastising the pilots for working on an airlane that gave them a chance.
And not really caring about PR, but regardless of what you think, the operational side of Avion is safe. We have no fatal accidents or incidents (unlike many of the flag carriers you all praise), and the pilots are pretty much all competent.
You all need to sit the F down and wait for the initial and then final report.

Here's a tip for all armchair investigators: This airplane is one of the newest acquisitions of Avion. You can see this easily on the internet.

[DaveReidUK]

Originally Posted by Ragneir

This airplane is one of the newest acquisitions of Avion. You can see this easily on the internet.

Out of interest, it's been a couple of months now since the incident - when is the aircraft likely to fly again ?

[Dufo]

Has the (flight) crew been promoted/awarded for bringing the aircraft back to the stand and not leaving it in the mud? With a flight control fault it must have been a real battle to taxi.

[Ragneir]

Originally Posted by DaveReidUK

Out of interest, it's been a couple of months now since the incident - when is the aircraft likely to fly again ?

Honestly no clue. Haven't spoken to the head of engineering about it, since he's in vilnius most of the time, and I haven't been there in a while.

Originally Posted by Dufo

Has the (flight) crew been promoted/awarded for bringing the aircraft back to the stand and not leaving it in the mud? With a flight control fault it must have been a real battle to taxi.

I enjoy your sarcasm, really makes me laugh uncontrollably! Clearly you haven't much of a clue what controls taxi requires. Here's a tip: it doesn't require rudder.

[Dark Stanley]

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We have no fatal accidents or incidents (unlike many of the flag carriers you all praise), and the pilots are pretty much all competent.

pretty much all competent. Oh that’s pretty much good than, I’m pretty much amazed.
im guessing pretty much all of the flights actually arrival pretty much all of the time.

[Magplug]

What caused the runway excursion here is frankly secondary. The fact that they apparently powered out of the mud with a severely damaged aircraft and then thought it was prudent to taxy to the terminal with two damaged engines is nothing short of reckless. This is the sort of thing you might expect from PIA.

Ragneir I see from your profile that you have a CPL with ATPL exam credits, so you are working as a First Officer, maybe even in your first job. Your profess to have inside knowledge so presumably you are working for Avion Express. As a skipper with 22k hours on heavies I can give you two bits of sound advice:

1. You only know what they tell you, and they only tell you what they want you to know.
2. They say as an FO you will learn more from the bad Captains you fly with, than the good ones. I guess in the RHS of an Avion Express jet... you must be on a pretty steep learning curve. My advice is to move on from that outfit at the first opportunity, before some cowboy puts a stain on you record that will be impossible to shake off.

DaveReidUK You are right Dave, it has been well over a month and no preliminary report yet. As a civilised western nation and member of the EU we might expect better of them. Or perhaps Lithuanian national interests are at stake?

[TheEdge]

Originally Posted by Dark Stanley

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We have no fatal accidents or incidents (unlike many of the flag carriers you all praise), and the pilots are pretty much all competent.

pretty much all competent. Oh that’s pretty much good than, I’m pretty much amazed.
im guessing pretty much all of the flights actually arrival pretty much all of the time.

No need to shoot an ambulance, it is well known that aviasolutionsgroup and their cancerous acmi bottom feeders, the like of smartlynx and avionexpress are the worst you can get, just above pay2fly eaglejet.
Stay far away of those baltic scammers.

[Right Way Up]

Originally Posted by Ragneir

Honestly no clue. Haven't spoken to the head of engineering about it, since he's in vilnius most of the time, and I haven't been there in a while.



I enjoy your sarcasm, really makes me laugh uncontrollably! Clearly you haven't much of a clue what controls taxi requires. Here's a tip: it doesn't require rudder.

Here's a tip. Taxying doesn't require mud either

[flugholm]

Air Cairo in Hanover

Here‘s another excursion. A320neo in Hanover last autumn, at night in really crappy weather. All six wheels off the runway, then taxi to the terminal. (Page 33ff.)
https://www.bfu-web.de/DE/Publikatio...cationFile&v=2

[Giuff]

Originally Posted by flugholm

Here‘s another excursion. A320neo in Hanover last autumn, at night in really crappy weather. All six wheels off the runway, then taxi to the terminal. (Page 33ff.)
https://www.bfu-web.de/DE/Publikatio...cationFile&v=2

Then what?

[OldLurker]

Originally Posted by Giuff

Originally Posted by bflugholm

Here‘s another excursion. A320neo in Hanover last autumn, at night in really crappy weather. All six wheels off the runway, then taxi to the terminal. (Page 33ff.)
https://www.bfu-web.de/DE/Publikatio...cationFile&v=2

Then what?

Incident: Cairo A20N at Hanover on Oct 14th 2023, temporary runway excursion on landing
Then the airline ferried it back to Cairo and fixed it. Now it's flying to and from Hurghada as before.

[sonicbum]

Originally Posted by Ragneir

Mechanical issue that's already resolved and once the report is fully released you'll know the details. The pilots were very experienced. For now, I invite you to check any videos and tell me how much the rudder moved. You'll find that it doesn't.
And tell me if you can maintain centerline on high speed with just the tiller and the nose gear, because if you do, you're superman that needs to be put in the vanguard of new plane certification.

Thanks for the info.

Considering the above, I believe Airbus should issue immediately an airworthiness directive regarding a possible “Jammed Rudder” problem? Or a Red OEB?
So far as an EASA Operator we haven’t received anything.

[Escape Path]

Originally Posted by Dark Stanley

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pretty much all competent. Oh that’s pretty much good than, I’m pretty much amazed.
im guessing pretty much all of the flights actually arrival pretty much all of the time.

While I certainly don't condone the taxiing to the gate after a runway excursion, I'm pretty sure you don't really think that there isn't any incompetent pilot at any given company...

[Fursty Ferret]

Considering the above, I believe Airbus should issue immediately an airworthiness directive regarding a possible “Jammed Rudder” problem? Or a Red OEB?

Hmm. Water bottle in the pedals?