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Old 14th Oct 2023, 05:03
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Titan A321 loses windows

Accident: Titan A21N at London on Oct 4th 2023, lost 3 windows, stabilizer damage (avherald.com)

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The British AAIB reported it was discovered three cabin windows were missing or loose,
I guess there were no pax in the cabin ?
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Another engineering related incident:
https://www.aerotime.aero/articles/2...e-stall-report
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Another engineering related incident:
Another? how the heck do you come to the conclusion this was "Another engineering related incident"? I might also add that the instance to which you link, was a third party input and failing, and not Titan's own MX facility/staff.
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Does the Y suffix to the flight number (AWC305Y) imply a positioning flight?

AWC305 was used subsequently by another A321 flying Orlando to Cairns in several legs.
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Does the Y suffix to the flight number (AWC305Y) imply a positioning flight?

AWC305 was used subsequently by another A321 flying Orlando to Cairns in several legs.
Here's a clue:



The aircraft involved was G-OATW - the clue's in the registration.

Orlando appears to be the start point for the ATW tour.
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How are the cabin windows retained in this aircraft?

I've spent a lot of time in flight test aircraft that had no interior and, for all those aircraft (Douglas), the windows were larger than the fuselage hole and held in place by clips. The clips simply held the window against the seal and didn't do much when the fuselage was pressurized.

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Possibly the aircraft had been specially prepared for a secret evacuation of Vladimir Putin?
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Interestingly the aircraft involved G-OATW was previously registered as G-GBNI, painted in full UK government colours, as was G-XATW when it operated a similar role. To anyone in the know, why were these aircraft procured for that role and then immediately removed from it? I know G-GBNI was used on quite a few state visits. Sorry to sidetrack from the original post but this incident seemingly could quite easily have occurred with the UK prime minister on this exact air frame, which would have made a few headlines i’m sure.
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The fat one wouldn't have gone out of the window but the thin one might have!
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Originally Posted by AeroAmigo
Interestingly the aircraft involved G-OATW was previously registered as G-GBNI, painted in full UK government colours, as was G-XATW when it operated a similar role. To anyone in the know, why were these aircraft procured for that role and then immediately removed from it? I know G-GBNI was used on quite a few state visits. Sorry to sidetrack from the original post but this incident seemingly could quite easily have occurred with the UK prime minister on this exact air frame, which would have made a few headlines i’m sure.

To add, it seems that G-POWT, a slightly older (????) A321NEO has now been re-registered as G-GBNI, and what was G-GBNI has now become G-OATW that aircraft involved in this incident. Why the frame swap i wonder.
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Previous weeks to this incident, Titan had another aircraft with engine problems that turned back on two separate sectors out of Stansted.
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I'd be interested to see how the maintenance company removed the original decals. If any heat guns were used near the windows then this could have caused some issues.

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I'd be interested to see how the maintenance company removed the original decals. If any heat guns were used near the windows then this could have caused some issues.
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According to the AAIB, prior to the flight a filming event had involved the use of high power lights which resulted in damage to the windows (presumably from heat).

AAIB Special Bulletin S2/2023: Airbus A321-253NX, G-OATW - GOV.UK (www.gov.uk)
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The livery looks quite dark, wonder if that was a factor in it absorbing more energy?
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Back around 1981 at BCAL there was a film shoot, ("Caledonian Girls"), inside a DC-10 that used external lighting. After the filming was over we had to change several cabin windows that had been cooked by the lights.
I would have thought modern LED lighting would not have been a problem.
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Wow!

From the AAIB Special Report, it appears that the Light Sets used for filming the plane on the previous day each had a power rating of up to 12KW. That must be a lot of Infrared!

Here is their photo:


And the units are named as: "Maxibrute 12".

Hmmmm........

And it seems that they cooked the rubber seals around many windows, causing 2 window assemblies to depart completely and several others to show damage.

The steel window retaining frame was undamaged as seen here:

An amazing incident, but fortunately not one likely to recur very often, I think.

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Old 3rd Nov 2023, 20:18
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IB: they blew a seal, did they?
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Old 3rd Nov 2023, 21:07
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Originally Posted by dixi188
Back around 1981 at BCAL there was a film shoot, ("Caledonian Girls").
I remember that TV ad, A bunch of ugly, fat, balding "businessmen" lusting after subservient female cabin staff. Cheesy with the Beach Boys soundtrack, and off the chart creepy in every other respect. Even by the standards of the time, who thought that was a good idea?
Anyways apologies for the drift.
Back in my first "career" as an aircraft engineer, during my apprenticeship, I was given the task of changing all the cabin windows in a B1-11, it was at that time I learned a valuable life lesson. The more you do, the more you're given to do.....
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Originally Posted by Private jet
I remember that TV ad, A bunch of ugly, fat, balding "businessmen" lusting after subservient female cabin staff. Cheesy with the Beach Boys soundtrack, and off the chart creepy in every other respect.
Uh did you bother to look at the advert? Fat? Your memory fails you, and beyond that ... You're No Fun Anymore
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