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EC notice on BREXIT issued, licenses/certificates invalid

Old 13th Sep 2018, 10:35
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Aren’t we in the ECAA already?
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Old 13th Sep 2018, 13:02
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The UK is currently part of the ECAA, brexit means the UK will no longer be part of the ECAA.
End of story
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Old 13th Sep 2018, 22:07
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Dr. Richard North mentions ECAA here.

One such treaty is the Multilateral Agreement on the establishment of a European Common Aviation Area (ECAA), which takes in all EU Member States and countries such as Albania, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Croatia, Macedonia, Serbia, Iceland and Norway.

This Multilateral Agreement is a formal treaty, entered in the EU's treaty database, making it in every way equivalent to the EEA Agreement. And it too, by virtue of Article 31, includes a provision for termination, taking effect a year after notice has been given.

The effect of membership of the ECAA, afforded by the Agreement, is to bind the contracting parties to full conformity with the EU's aviation acquis, including measure concerning safety, the environment and consumer protecting, in return for which full access is given to the EU's internal market in aviation.

In relation to the vexed question of whether UK aircraft will be grounded after Brexit day and whether aircraft registered by EU Member States would be prevented from using UK airports and air traffic facilities it would appear that the status quo would apply and air operations may continue as normal.

Undoubtedly, in rejecting the interpretation of international law which would otherwise keep us in the EEA, the UK must also refuse to accept that our membership of the ECAA continues after Brexit day. And, in that case, given a "no deal" exit, the provisions set out in the Commission's Notices to Stakeholders would apply, respectively here and here.

The UK would thus cease to benefit from access to the skies of EU Member States and, on the basis of non-conformity with the safety provisions, UK registered aircraft would be refused landing rights in the territories of EU Member States, and UK airports could no longer be used by EU-registered aircraft.

The impact of a "no deal" Brexit on air operations would thus be extraordinarily severe, so much so that many pundits argue that the UK and EU would quickly come to a deal which will permit resumption of the status quo. In other words, a "no-deal" Brexit would not actually mean a no-deal Brexit, certainly in respect of aviation. With the agreement of a side-deal, we would have a no-deal deal.
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Old 14th Sep 2018, 11:03
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I keep asking. Why would anybody risk anything, pick a European country and change your licenses now
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Old 22nd Sep 2018, 06:52
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Technical Notices for a "No-Deal" Brexit

The UK Government Technical Notices in respect of Air Transport/Aerospace in the event of a "No-Deal" Brexit are due to be published week commencing 24 September. In light of recent events in Salzburg, can we still expect to see publication?
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Old 22nd Sep 2018, 08:23
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In light of Salzburg it's important it is published ssap
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Old 22nd Sep 2018, 08:43
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Absolutely. We've all had enough of the "mushroom treatment". From 23.00 UTC, 29 March 2019 all our livelihoods will be at grave risk in the event of a "crash out" hard Brexit. I've written (again) to my useless, careerist, voting fodder excuse for an MP (Tory), more in anger than any hope of sentient return communication. If May can demand of the EU, I think it's time we (the UK population) all started to demand real, truthful answers of May.

I'll post any reply I get (don't hold your breaths).
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Old 22nd Sep 2018, 10:14
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I've had a reply from my MP that included a letter from the transport ministry.

As expected it was basically, Don't panic, There is nothing to worry your pretty little head about as we still are working on the premise there will be a deal that will keep us in EASA. Even if there isn't the CAA will keep us aligned with EASA for 2 years.

Stress not, as they say
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Old 22nd Sep 2018, 10:33
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Yup, I've had the same sort of guff in the past. These idiots don't seem to realise that to be in EASA, a nation has to be either a member of EU or EEA (or be special case Switzerland) and I also wondered at the time how the "CAA could keep us aligned to EASA for two years". I'm guessing they hope to "align" during a transition period up to 31 December 2020 in the event a Withdrawal Agreement is reached. This WA looks highly unlikely as May is now in a post Salzburg strop and seems hell bent on a crash out. Fasten your seat belts!
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Old 22nd Sep 2018, 11:25
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Our company has asked those who have a UK issued EASA lic to check with the UK CAA that our medical records are up to date so if we need to transfer to another authority, that aspect is already sorted.
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Old 24th Sep 2018, 15:42
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It's arrived and what a load of rubbish

https://www.gov.uk/government/public...no-brexit-deal
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Old 24th Sep 2018, 16:41
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Well having read them I think I can summarise no deal = no fly. Based on that I wouldn't book any flights to / from the UK EU for April 2019.
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Old 24th Sep 2018, 19:40
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Funny enough, the UK pretty much promises to let EU airlines continue to fly into the UK and hopes (hope? in a legal process?) the EU would reciprocate. Why would the EU do that? I mean, the EU gets the full deal and the UK nothing? That would help EU airlines quite a bit, wouldn't it?

The same as for flights is actually going to happen to channel ferries and trains. Which would pretty much isolate the UK from the EU on march 30th with the exception of NI.
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Old 24th Sep 2018, 20:30
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Question. How does this affect non-commercial flying? If you go to L2K for lunch will you need special permission? Looking forward to the next ramp check
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Old 25th Sep 2018, 00:33
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I can only imagine this all comes as a terrible shock to the tourist industries of Spain, Portugal, Greece, Italy, France et al. Not to mention the Airbus manufacturing industry.

Fortunately, the most lucrative routes, are over the Atlantic.

Though I did hear that, 1 in 5 of all passengers in Spanish airports were travelling either to, or from the U.K. What a shame!

Oh well. Onwards and upwards.
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Old 25th Sep 2018, 06:19
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Though I did hear that, 1 in 5 of all passengers in Spanish airports were travelling either to, or from the U.K.
which of course means 4 out 5 don’t...and I rather doubt given the last two and a half years this comes as a shock to anybody..certainly not Airbus.
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Old 25th Sep 2018, 06:36
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Originally Posted by Tandemrotor View Post
I can only imagine this all comes as a terrible shock to the tourist industries of Spain, Portugal, Greece, Italy, France et al. Not to mention the Airbus manufacturing industry.

Fortunately, the most lucrative routes, are over the Atlantic.

Though I did hear that, 1 in 5 of all passengers in Spanish airports were travelling either to, or from the U.K. What a shame!

Oh well. Onwards and upwards.
I'm sure Aena, hoteliers, restaurants and traders love the fact that they're going to lose 50 million passengers next year going through their local airports!

Yeah, the most lucrative routes over the Atlantic - pity not many can use them until a replacement for the Bermuda II UK-US air transport agreement is put in place!

For me, I don't understand why a system of bilateral agreements need to be in place - surely this should be at ICAO level rather than at EU or individual member level? What does anyone have to gain to go back to a 1980s system where only certain operators can operate certain routes, at certain times, which to be fair, still exists in many parts of the world. (I'm sure BA would love this system to return as they were really rolling in the money under this system).
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Old 25th Sep 2018, 07:03
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I'd also suggest that those who think the Spanish hotels will lose out read the subtext, hell read the actual text of the UK no deal papers. They say the UK will accept access by EU operators in the hope of the EU reciprocating. (just hope).

On the basis of these papers next summer will see EU registered aircraft flying back and forward taking British SLF to their holidays while any UK carriers either become EU carriers, ditching their UK staff, or go bust. If you work for a UK short-haul carrier dependant on EU trade then I'd start saving for redundancy.
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Old 25th Sep 2018, 08:00
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Hope? What "hope"?

As a retired professional negotiator ive been constantly stunned to see that our Government and "Negotiators" couldn't negotiate their way out of a paper bag. I wouldn't have paid DD in washers and poor Raab is simply now a mouthpiece for our crackers final position.
What's with this "hope" thing? It reminds me of that dreadful quip - "and the meek shall inherit the earth- if thats alright with you chaps."
To me this is a straightforward. We have a superb negotiating position. Look at our geographic location. If we cannot fly to any EU country, a situation which is laughable posturing, then no EU generated flight can cross UK aerospace.
Simples? Unworkable? Probably - but lets take the fight to the EU and stop rolling over!
Nurse! The screens!
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Old 25th Sep 2018, 08:02
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Originally Posted by Tandemrotor View Post
I can only imagine this all comes as a terrible shock to the tourist industries of Spain, Portugal, Greece, Italy, France et al. Not to mention the Airbus manufacturing industry.

Fortunately, the most lucrative routes, are over the Atlantic.

Though I did hear that, 1 in 5 of all passengers in Spanish airports were travelling either to, or from the U.K. What a shame!

Oh well. Onwards and upwards.
Ehm...what about the UK tourist industry? I heard 5 out of 5 tourists travelling to the UK are not from the UK...
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