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MH17 down near Donetsk

Old 23rd Jul 2015, 19:21
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April warning

slamer quotes an excerpt which in turn refers to an advisory that had been issued by ICAO back in April, about three months prior to the incident. April of 2015, ICAO went live with a repository of information about conflict zones (one of the recommendations which grew out of ICAO's conflict zones task force, established in the wake and aftermath of the MH17 shoot-down, and more particularly, out of ICAO's 2d High-Level Safety Conference in February of this year). Point is, rhetoric about assigning a major or substantial portion of blame to the Ukraine governmental authorities responsible for its national airspace assumes that their information about missile firing risks was a lot more complete than was the case (at least, based on what is known from fairly legitimate sources to date).
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Old 24th Jul 2015, 00:52
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My memory goes back to the problems in Yugoslavia. From what i understood they did not shut their airspace, some airlines decided not to overfly (their own assessment) but certainly routeing eastbound was forbidden (i think after an assessment by NATO in conjunction with eurocontrol) very quickly.
If my memory serves me correctly, again after assessment by NATO, we were able to overfly westbound above 370.
Why were these types of assessments not made for Ukraine?
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Old 24th Jul 2015, 01:40
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According to all accounts, The event here seems to have involved some old but powerful weaponry (nothing to do with manpads), and some sort of local initiative. Even the Ukrainian narrative confirms the strange absence of the usual survey radar and command-and-control vehicle in this limited missile deployment.

If anything, this tragedy should teach every airline manager that a sudden military action on the ground will not occur according to a schedule.

Maybe hight-tech conflict areas should simply be avoided, as generals and bureaucrats get blindsided by the field commanders or "rebels".

This lesson should be taken to heart if any sort of conflict develops near Iran, where similar anti-aircraft weapons are said to be deployed.

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Old 24th Jul 2015, 08:44
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My memory goes back to the problems in Yugoslavia. From what i understood they did not shut their airspace
Did a jumpseat ride during that period for a late evening flight into a clear, stary night. You could see the flashing from the explosions of the fighting going on down there. The only precaution taken was to fly with all external lights switched off... Not exactly the safest way to fly, but most probably an economic one.
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Old 26th Jul 2015, 00:07
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LENA. Kiev.
In 2001 two missiles were launched at a drone. One of them shot down the drone, another had to self-destruct, but didn't.
Here you are not quite right. Missiles do not self-destruct immediately upon missing the target. Usually, and S-200 SAM is the case, this happens when voltage of the internal power supply drops below a certain value.

If we trust Ukrainian documents, after the miss, the target illumination was turned off. The SAM flight was uncontrollable. It can be a wild coincidence that the SAM path came near the Siberia plane at the time when the self-destruction system initiated the warhead. The time from the missile technical description matches the flight time precisely (within tolerance).
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