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Malaysian Airlines MH370 contact lost

Old 10th Mar 2014, 11:36
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Oil

As suspected the oil found wasn't from the plane.

Missing MH370: Oil slick not from plane, says MMEA - Nation | The Star Online
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Old 10th Mar 2014, 11:38
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Originally Posted by MATELO

1) Transponder ceased working.
2) Aircraft turned.

6) USA P3 Orions searching Malacca Straight.
Makes you wonder if the public are being kept out of the loop.
So what precisely do you find sinister about US P-3's assisting in the search? If we have we have P-3s in the region, it seems an natural and obvious thing to have offered their assistance. You're aware that the purpose of a P-3 is locating things in the water, right? and as such, would have relevant capabilities to offer? I'm at a loss for how you possibly interpret this as indicating a conspiracy.
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Old 10th Mar 2014, 11:43
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So what precisely do you find sinister about US P-3's assisting in the search? If we have we have P-3s in the region, it seems an natural and obvious thing to have offered their assistance. You're aware that the purpose of a P-3 is locating things in the water, right? and as such, would have relevant capabilities to offer? I'm at a loss for how you possibly interpret this as indicating a conspiracy.
Not sinister.
Get a map out.
MH370 disappeared on the right hand side of the Malay peninsular.
The USA P3 Orions are searching on the left hand side.

This implies that the searchers know the plane did not break up immediately the transponder stopped working, but that it continued flying.
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Old 10th Mar 2014, 11:43
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Originally Posted by A Squared
sinister about US P-3's assisting in the search
- not 'sinister', but if you knew where the Malacca Straights are you might raise an eyebrow?
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I would consider it to be sinister if P3s were not helping with the search.

I would hope that clandestine agencies whose role it is to take regular radar images of the ocean surface would also help if they could.
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Old 10th Mar 2014, 11:44
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A Squared, before you go off half-cocked, have a look where the Straits of Malacca are: miles away from the current search position and on the other side of Peninsula Malaysia. What in effect the authorities think is that it may have ended up there: that means it flew the whole way.

If this hasn't been specifically mentioned by the authorities then yes, one could well wonder that we're being kept out of the loop.
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Old 10th Mar 2014, 11:44
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They're RAAF AP-3C Orion's searching Malacca Straits out of Butterworth, not US.
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So what precisely do you find sinister about US P-3's assisting in the search? If we have we have P-3s in the region, it seems an natural and obvious thing to have offered their assistance. You're aware that the purpose of a P-3 is locating things in the water, right? and as such, would have relevant capabilities to offer? I'm at a loss for how you possibly interpret this as indicating a conspiracy.
It is absolutely strange if those AC's are looking for something in the Malacca Str. Unless they are on a whole other mission...
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Old 10th Mar 2014, 11:47
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So what precisely do you find sinister about US P-3's assisting in the search? If we have we have P-3s in the region, it seems an natural and obvious thing to have offered their assistance. You're aware that the purpose of a P-3 is locating things in the water, right? and as such, would have relevant capabilities to offer? I'm at a loss for how you possibly interpret this as indicating a conspiracy.
If there's a hint of a conspiracy it'd be the mere fact of a search going on in The Malacca Straight. Not who's in fact searching - at least that's my take.

It's not a very logical place to look for a plane gone missing en route from Kuala Lumpur til Beijing - specially considering the last position of the plane as reported by FR24.
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Old 10th Mar 2014, 11:47
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Missing passengers

The airline press release at least stated that the now-show passengers' baggage was offloaded.

5 out of 250 doesn't seem an unreasonable number not to board, and their names are known and their passports were scanned, so they can easily be eliminated. Baggage tag scanner records should show whether they did have bags on board.
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Old 10th Mar 2014, 11:49
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both btw have trigger happy MIG fighter pilots, they would come clean.
@Joshannon

You wrote this article in the South China Morning Post?

Sir, may I ask you what led you to remark that Vietnamese and Malaysian MIG fighter pilots are 'trigger happy'? Do you have any examples of late to suggest that they are less than professional than what you allege? I sure hope that your mindset of vietnamese soldiers/pilots are not the 1960s vietnam war era generation. What fighters do Malaysia have in their fleet? Do you know that there are Sukois and F-18s apart from their Mig 29s? So how are the Mig pilots are trigger happy compared to the rest?
This very statement discredits you and brings your credibility as a journalist to that of a sensationalist opportunist.
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Old 10th Mar 2014, 11:50
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Starting to look this way. Could the Malay Govt be covering up the fact that they took this plane out, because it was a security threat (hijacked, full of fuel, heading for KL)?
Heading for KUL? It was heading for PEK! The conspiracy theorists who drummed up the banter regarding the flight making a turn back to KUL is totally and utterly unsubstantiated and and cannot be confirmed due to the integrity of some of the radar data that was logged. There is no credible data thus far that backs that theory up or has been confirmed.

People please, before hitting the send button on your post please ensure you have read the facts surrounding this flight properly.

This flight departed KUL and was heading for PEK.

I am sick of reading people's posts on here who are quoting incorrect information.
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Old 10th Mar 2014, 11:53
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Can someone point to a credible primary source that in fact there is any search activity in the Malacca Straits ? Just because the aircraft are BASED in Butterworth (on the Malacca coast) does not mean they are searching there. I can imagine the apron at Kota Baharu getting rather cluttered, so a base 200km away might be more suitable for the long-range P-3s.
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Heading for KUL? It was heading for PEK! The conspiracy theorists who drummed up the banter regarding the flight making a turn back to KUL is totally and utterly unsubstantiated and and cannot be confirmed due to the integrity of some of the radar data that was logged. There is no credible data thus far that backs that theory up or has been confirmed.

People please, before hitting the send button on your post please ensure you have read the facts surrounding this flight properly.

This flight departed KUL and was heading for PEK.

I am sick of reading people's posts on here who are quoting incorrect information.
You seem to be missing this piece of information: BBC News - Missing Malaysia Airlines plane 'may have turned back'
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Old 10th Mar 2014, 11:55
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From ABC News
The search has been expanded to the Straits of Malacca on the other side of the Malaysian peninsula in order to discount the possibility that the aircraft turned back to Malaysia airspace. The U.S. Navys 7th Fleet is using a P-3C Orion marine surveillance aircraft to search in the northern section of the Strait of Malacca today, according to the groups Facebook page.
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Old 10th Mar 2014, 12:01
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Similarity to Comet 1 disappearnce of Elba

The similarity to the Comet 1 accident off Elba is in some ways striking. For all our modern comms and tracking equipment, once a return/downlink has gone, it's gone and what happens to the airframe and all conveyed therein is as clear in 2014 as it was in 1954 until someone like a fisherman comes up with a report of seeing the incident, and that could be days, or genuine wreckage/bodies surface.
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Old 10th Mar 2014, 12:04
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May have found something

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Originally Posted by Capn Bloggs
A Squared, before you go off half-cocked, have a look where the Straits of Malacca are: miles away from the current search position and on the other side of Peninsula Malaysia.
Yes. I've flown over the Straits of Malacca, I know where they are. If one assumes that the airplane had some sort of accidental catastrophe, then true, the straits of Malacca are very improbable. Thing is, we don't know that it *was* an in flight disintegration/uncontrolled descent/etc and we don't know that it *wasn't* a commandeering/ hijacking. If you do not assume those are not possibilities, then the straits of Malacca stop being an impossibility. I've been involved in search and rescue, and you don't only search in places you think are probable, although you give them extra effort. Ideally you search everyplace that is physically possible for the plane to be locate, although that can be a really big area so you try to reduce that as much as possible. But, yeah, you do send assets to search areas with a lower probability, rather than concentrating all assets in the area you think is most probable, given your assumptions. It's pretty obvious that a hijacking scenario hasn't been absolutely ruled out, so the possible ares that it could be are a little more widespread than "directly downwind from the last point of contact".

Besides, it looks like nobody really knows whose P-3s they are or what they're doing.

edit: I see a later posts suggest that they are US P-3s searching for MH370.
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Old 10th Mar 2014, 12:09
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[UPDATE] Potential wreckage?

TPO - According to air traffic management agency in Hong Kong, one of their aircraft detected several unidentified fragments at position coast from Vung Tau is about 60km to the southeast (how to position the plane missing over Malaysia 500km).

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Originally Posted by andrasz
I presume standard ICAO SARPHASE procedures where followed?
Precisely. The uncertainty phase commenced soon after Subang was unable to make contact with the aircraft. After all communication attempts failed, the alert phase was issued at 2:40, pretty much an hour after the start of uncertainty phase, and I'm sure all relevant authorities started preparing for a SAR mission. Full scale distress phase was probably declared at/around ETA BJS.

The same timescales happened with AF447, SAR was only launched after the aircraft failed to make contact anywhere beyond its remaining endurance. An overwater SAR mission is a very costly exercise, and diverts scarce resources which potentially might be needed for another emergency. Such resources are not sent off on wild goose chases until at least the basic facts are gathered and analyzed.
lol and therein lies half the problem. Lose the blip but keep comms: no phase required. Lose comms but can still 'see' the aeroplane: Incerfa appropriate. Lose comms AND lose the blip = an immediate DISTRESFA where I come from.....
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