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Malaysian Airlines MH370 contact lost

Old 10th Mar 2014, 12:47
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The possibility that they are looking in the wrong place certainly seems plausible. It is also not unheard of for it to take several days to locate wreckage, Adam Air 574 for example.
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Old 10th Mar 2014, 12:49
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It took them 73 years to find the Titanic at the bottom of the sea!
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Old 10th Mar 2014, 12:56
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Originally Posted by Eclectic
The latter theory would fit in with the garbled radio transmission..
I've seen a couple of references to a garbled radio transmission. I apparently missed that in the previous discussion. Anyone know where that was originally posted? Or have a link for information on this?
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Old 10th Mar 2014, 12:58
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... Commander William Marks from the US Seventh Fleet, which is taking part in the search, says he expects the plane's flight recorders to be floating in the water.
"In calm seas, if there were a soccer ball [football] or a basketball floating in the water, the radar could pick it up. They [flight recorders] typically have a radio beacon and so for example our P3 [radar] - if they are flying within a certain range of that - will pick up that radio beacon. We have not yet picked up anything, but that's typically what those black boxes contain." ...


The sentence in bold letters, is incorrect, as far as my knowledge is concerned.
Well, if they would be at the surface. But the CVR/FDR does not float if they are stuck in the fuese of the plane which sinks to ground.

Underwater the P-3 only would pick up the sound if they would deploy the sonnar buoy.

Thinking on the size of the area - if you actually have no bloody idea of where to deploy the buoy, it would be almost impossible to pickup the signal.

Remember, AF447, the signal was captured by a submarine on its sonnar!
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Old 10th Mar 2014, 12:59
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I've seen a couple of references to a garbled radio transmission. I apparently missed that in the previous discussion. Anyone know where that was originally posted? Or have a link for information on this?
MISSING MH370: Pilot: I established contact with plane


MISSING MH370: Pilot: I established contact with plane - General - New Straits Times
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Old 10th Mar 2014, 12:59
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Originally Posted by PAXboy
With no apologies to the conspiracy people:

History tells us that the simplest explanation is the most likely.
But what is the simplest explanation for what we do know?

All signals immediate cut
No seen explosion (by eyewitness/satellite)
No claim by militant group
No floating debris found after 2 1/2 days
Inconclusive radar track after signal cut
  • Hijack, C/Breakers pulled crashed immediately
  • Hijack, C/Breakers pulled low altitude crashed some time later
  • Cockpit explosion/decompression
  • Avionics bay explosion/decompression
  • Pilot / First Officer suicide
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Old 10th Mar 2014, 13:01
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Even if one of the oil slicks did prove to have come from the aircraft, it still does not mean the aircraft crashed there.

In the event of total engine failure, surely the pilots would have dumped their fuel to reduce weight and improve gliding performance?

On another point, perhaps the various communications antenna on a 777 (or routing of the cables to them) are located in such a way that a single event could knock out all communications, radar transponder etc. together.

Assuming that the same event knocked out the engine controls and the navigation lights, the pilots would attempt to glide to the nearest suitable runway, which would probably be KBR (Sultan Ismail Petra Airport).

Assuming the eyewitness report is accurate then the navigation lights were disabled in the unknown incident but the landing lights were still operable and they were turned on. The position of the sighting is consistent with the aircraft trying to line up seaward of Bachok for a landing at KBR.

If the gliding aircraft ran out of altitude before reaching the airport it could have ditched at low speed resulting in no break up and therefore little or no release of debris. If the fuel had already been dumped there would be no oil slick either.

Damage from either the ditching or the earlier incident could have caused it to sink rapidly. Maybe even some bags containing mobile phones floated free.

Speculation but seems plausible. I'm no expert - any of the experts here think such a scenario is feasible?
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Old 10th Mar 2014, 13:02
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re Length of time to locate wreckage

2 days
at 2 june 2009
"1230 GMT: Debris is sighted by Brazilian search planes looking for the missing airliner 650km (390 miles) north-east of Brazil's Fernando do Noronha island."

at 31 may 2009
2200 GMT: AF 447 takes off from Rio de Janeiro's Galeao International Airport, heading for Paris Charles de Gaulle.
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Old 10th Mar 2014, 13:03
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Deaf, I don't suppose anybody has thought to ask, the TSV refueller?
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Old 10th Mar 2014, 13:06
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Dark

Just for reference, it is now dark over the search area:

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Old 10th Mar 2014, 13:06
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the garbled radio exchange seems to have disappeared a bit, i am sure if it was more important or genuine, we would have heard a lot more about it

As someone said it took a long time to find Adam Air 574 because of the uncertainty of the last location, rest assured it will be found

Unfortunately the 777 is in the sea, it hasn't landed anywhere at some secret location for all the to be well
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Old 10th Mar 2014, 13:07
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Debris of the Air France aircraft were found only after FIVE days.
Initially it was stated that at June 2 (the next day) debris were found. As can be found on numberous websites.

However, this proved to be wrong. This article is dated June 6:
Brazilian officials retract statements that items pulled from the Atlantic were remains of Flight 447. Likelihood of discovering the cause of the crash appears to be fading.

Debris found not from Air France flight after all, Brazil says - Los Angeles Times

They will find something sooner or later.
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Old 10th Mar 2014, 13:11
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I think you would most likely be hard pressed to find one flight anywhere in the world where someone wasn't travelling on a fraudulent/stolen passport

only the issuing countries computers would flag up the discrepancies, and the handful of other countries that have invested to resources to to access interpols data on the ground.

as to the 5 no shows... airlines try to overbook every flight by 15-20% because statistics show that about that number of pax will not board for whatever reason, stuck in traffic, slept in, denied boarding, forgot passport.
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Old 10th Mar 2014, 13:17
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sonar?

i am amazed they have not got subs in there yet with sonar or ships with sonar buoys listening out already or have they?

not really been reported as ?
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Old 10th Mar 2014, 13:17
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FWIW, aircraft do occasionally vanish without trace.

G-AGWH was found after 50 years.
A russian built freigter was recently discovered in the Congo jungle +/- 20 years after going missing.
A 737 is believed to have sunk into a swamp.

There are several other similar mysteries, it does happen but hopefully this one will be found soon, until wreckage is found the circumstances and causes will remain a mystery.
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Old 10th Mar 2014, 13:22
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We don't actually know that it did 'crash into the South China Sea'. Might have severed comms 'deliberately' descended at Vne until a few hundred feet, using RA and GPS proceeded to a pre-planned landing place. I'm not ready in my own mind to give up those souls as lost.
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Old 10th Mar 2014, 13:23
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Do Rolls Royce monitor the performance of its Trent's in live time? If so, wouldn't this data at least give an indication of when they stopped in live time?
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Old 10th Mar 2014, 13:24
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"as to the 5 no shows... airlines try to overbook every flight by 15-20% because statistics show that about that number of pax will not board for whatever reason, stuck in traffic, slept in, denied boarding, forgot passport"


I think you are missing the point. Their bags were already checked and on board but removed by MH before the aircraft departed. So it is highly relevant to ask who were they? Did they ever show to collect the bags? What was in the bags?
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Old 10th Mar 2014, 13:26
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They had a press conference just now,

Latest is:

1) Oil traces in the ocean are from a ship, not an aircraft


2) Stolen passport users are not of 'asian appearance' as previously reported. He says they look like (I'm not joking) "Mario Balotelli"


3)Debris of some sort spotted east of Ho Chi Minh (formerly Saigon). Surveillance vehicles en route and should arrive there tomorrow (aka a few hours from now)
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Old 10th Mar 2014, 13:27
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@philipat, it's not especially unusual for passengers to fail to make it to the gate and be offloaded. It happens all the time.
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