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Malaysian Airlines MH370 contact lost

Old 18th Mar 2014, 10:05
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Interestingly this is a similar search area to a few years back when Abby Sunderland needed rescuing Australia sent a Qantas A330 Airbus.

Later picked up by a fishing vessel. Tony Bullimore was picked up by an Australian Navy ship. You need some pretty decent sea-going vessels to look at a resuce in this area not to mention as a platform for searching for a CVR.

Solo sailor Abby Sunderland alive, awaiting rescue by boat | News.com.au

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Old 18th Mar 2014, 10:06
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I'm looking forward to some good translation of the questions & answers section of this press conference because I can hardly understand a word due to poor sound setup! I'm particularly interested in the 3 questions that caused some amusement (from a French reporter?)
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Old 18th Mar 2014, 10:09
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There seems to be a Chinese registered vessel south of the Planned Search Area

HANG SHENG 1 - Cargo ship

Where are they going?
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Old 18th Mar 2014, 10:11
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On the search maps the possible aircraft track has been provided by the NTSB. So do they know it went South?

Why havent the position of the pings prior to 0811 been released?

ana1936 thks for the maps.
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Old 18th Mar 2014, 10:33
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Press conference

Malaysian press briefing complete with nothing new really:


Care assistants are with family members who have threatened hunger strike

Decrompression affecting the pilots has not been ruled out

Malaysia pilots not previusly flown in the 'southern corridoor'
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Old 18th Mar 2014, 10:35
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Originally Posted by Evey_Hammond
I'm looking forward to some good translation of the questions & answers section of this press conference because I can hardly understand a word due to poor sound setup! I'm particularly interested in the 3 questions that caused some amusement (from a French reporter?)
The last part of the French question was the only one I could make out, "Do you have protection", presumably alluding to the personal risks of being the acting Transport Minister at the moment as opposed to birth control
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Old 18th Mar 2014, 10:35
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Satellite images and persistent contrails

Yesterday (17th) Tim Vasquez provided links to weather satellite imagery of the SE Indian Ocean area on the 8th March.

http://www.pprune.org/8382068-post4888.html

His images are from around 0000 - 0200 UTC and are around 2km resolution. However there are 250m pixel images available from around 0300 to 0500 UTC available on this site:

Rapid Response - LANCE - Near Real Time (Orbit Swath) Images

It's necessary to type the date in the small box at top left, click on the relevant thumbnail and select a resolution. There are two sets of images, firstly the Terra satellite with earliest coverage, unfortunately about 3-4 hours after the last 'ping'. So only a persistent contrail would be visible. To my untrained eye there's no visible contrails over the open sea areas. I expect the professionals have already enhanced these images as part of the search.
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Old 18th Mar 2014, 10:36
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SOPS That a long way to fly ( and back again) before even starting a search.
3hr 40min transit 2 hours on station, then return....
Search for missing Malaysian Airlines MH370 begins 3000km south-west of Perth | theage.com.au
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Old 18th Mar 2014, 10:39
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Apparently NAN TONG

HANG SHENG 1 - Cargo ship - Details and current position MMSI 413501228
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Old 18th Mar 2014, 10:44
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If the transponder stopped transmitting, ATC is always quick to let you know. Nothing was said from ATC about this, not even when handed over to Vietnam Control.
It's also strange that while Vietnam ATC made every effort to contact back the a/c, Malaysians seemed oblivious to the matter, despite having been warned by their counterpart. I think a missing plane is something to worry about.
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Old 18th Mar 2014, 10:47
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HANG SHENG 1 - Cargo ship - Details and current position MMSI 413501228

seems to have an enormous speed for a cargo vessel. THey say it is going 49.7 knots.

Sounds more like a navy ship.
something like this?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Littoral_combat_ship

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Old 18th Mar 2014, 10:48
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Buoy 14908

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For those interested in the surface current in the Australian search region for the last 10 days.
Buoy 14908

... here it is:

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Old 18th Mar 2014, 10:49
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If you click in the 'Track' tab it seems to be performing some sort of search pattern. Not sailing a straight line thats for sure.
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Old 18th Mar 2014, 10:56
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"Up until the point at which it left primary military radar coverage, the aircraft's movements were consistent with deliberate action by someone on the plane".

They always emphasise the deliberate action bit but for the crew's reputational sake and keeping an open mind, I wish they'd include a caveat that this could just as easily mean somebody trying whatever they could to fly/navigate an aircraft facing considerable difficulty rather than, what seems to be in vogue, assuming foul play by the crew or a passenger.

Fortunately he went on to say they are keeping an open mind and are ruling nothing out until the aircraft and FDR/CVR are found.
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Old 18th Mar 2014, 10:57
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That Cargo Ship is never going to make Nantong the way its going,...definitely could be conducting a search....
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Old 18th Mar 2014, 10:57
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Cheerio:

Well spotted.

It's either searching, fishing, not under control or lost.

It is certainly not doing a simple cargo run.
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Old 18th Mar 2014, 11:12
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It isn't doing 50kts either so I would be suspicious of the track.
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Old 18th Mar 2014, 11:15
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Originally Posted by xyze
Cheerio:

Well spotted.

It's either searching, fishing, not under control or lost.

It is certainly not doing a simple cargo run.

Looks more like fishing.
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Old 18th Mar 2014, 11:15
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The good news to come out of this is US stealth technology R+D coats have just been slashed.
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Old 18th Mar 2014, 11:16
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I just tweeted this to Don Lemmon at CNN:
#370QS what is the reason so many facts are coming out as "US officials say" rather than direct from Malaysian govt?

I agree this "US officials say" approach is yuk. And when I found one main reason, the ABC NEWS story, it gave me serious cause for doubt. Now that NY Times and WSJ are both very definitely saying this is what they have also learned from sources and just recently, folks we do know are not allowed to give their names, it seems to ring true. Not a good state of affairs, but true.
It could result in the Malaysians being reluctant to involve the Americans much because they know many things passed in confidence will be then given to the press.

I would rather the various authorities got on with the investigation rather than briefing tame reporters off the record.
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