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Couldonlyaffordafiver
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So, you're in exactly the same position as any other private investor.
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2 Green 1 Prayer is spot on. A few shares each allows you to make a fuss, and symbolically vote against the directors. You may be surprised how few shareholders actually vote!
To invest large sums, however, is complete folly. A lot of eggs in one basket.
Good luck
ex- BA but still a beancounter
To invest large sums, however, is complete folly. A lot of eggs in one basket.
Good luck
ex- BA but still a beancounter
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Dysag,
Await the arrival of T5,certainly not the answer to all our prayers at BA but one that will give our passengers in the Premium Cabins,Gold and Premier Card holders 5 new lounges costing 72 million pounds and all passengers better facilities all round.I have not seen the lounges first hand but am told they knock spots of the competiton.
Better baggage performance to add to this will keep our premium passengers very much with BA.
If they leave us ,their loss,if they stay or come back they will enjoy the benefits.
WTDWL.
Await the arrival of T5,certainly not the answer to all our prayers at BA but one that will give our passengers in the Premium Cabins,Gold and Premier Card holders 5 new lounges costing 72 million pounds and all passengers better facilities all round.I have not seen the lounges first hand but am told they knock spots of the competiton.
Better baggage performance to add to this will keep our premium passengers very much with BA.
If they leave us ,their loss,if they stay or come back they will enjoy the benefits.
WTDWL.
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I know I'm not allowed here because I'm SLF and a member of Joe Public, but I just want to say to the BA pilots that at least THIS person agrees with what you BA pilots are doing here. Too many people have forgotten what was gained through employee organised action in the past, and what is being lost today because such actions have been eroded.
Kia kaha.
Kia kaha.
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No faith in BA?
Mr. beancounter, I don't think that 5% of your net takehome would be "a large sum" for any individual.
Both you and HF are stating that you have insufficient faith in the company, to invest in it, yoet you decry the management milking this enterprise dry for the shareholders who risk losing their cash (your implied scenario)-you are really appearing to want the penny and the toffee.unrealistic expectation.
my suggestion was ,I thought, well-considered. Depending on your definition of " a few" (shares) depends on wether you're percieved as a rabble rouser or a serious stakeholder in the prosperity and success of the company
Two Green, On Prayer's attitude is a prime example, typifying the "I wouldn't risk MY cash, but I'll take yours " approach.
The choice is, therefore, collectively take charge ,effectively, of the company ,and return the business to it's CORE VALUE. ( top-quality , safe transport of persons and freight,)
OR leave and seek employment with a Co. which acknowledges a duty to give the paying punter fair value for their money.
Staff, whilst they are the dearest cost to a company,are also it's biggest strength. your management continues to abuse it's biggest asset at it's own peril.
I, too was fed-up with working for incompetent idiots. I started paddling my own canoe , 30 years ago and been self-employed ever since...I don't have someone to wipe my tears if it goes pear-shaped, so I make considered decisions and careful investments...I collect the rewards as well as the bills.
remember, "nothing ventured, nothing gained"
Both you and HF are stating that you have insufficient faith in the company, to invest in it, yoet you decry the management milking this enterprise dry for the shareholders who risk losing their cash (your implied scenario)-you are really appearing to want the penny and the toffee.unrealistic expectation.
my suggestion was ,I thought, well-considered. Depending on your definition of " a few" (shares) depends on wether you're percieved as a rabble rouser or a serious stakeholder in the prosperity and success of the company
Two Green, On Prayer's attitude is a prime example, typifying the "I wouldn't risk MY cash, but I'll take yours " approach.
The choice is, therefore, collectively take charge ,effectively, of the company ,and return the business to it's CORE VALUE. ( top-quality , safe transport of persons and freight,)
OR leave and seek employment with a Co. which acknowledges a duty to give the paying punter fair value for their money.
Staff, whilst they are the dearest cost to a company,are also it's biggest strength. your management continues to abuse it's biggest asset at it's own peril.
I, too was fed-up with working for incompetent idiots. I started paddling my own canoe , 30 years ago and been self-employed ever since...I don't have someone to wipe my tears if it goes pear-shaped, so I make considered decisions and careful investments...I collect the rewards as well as the bills.
remember, "nothing ventured, nothing gained"
Not sure how the implanted management team plans to run a meritocracy system in OS. They failed miserably in BACon where training jobs were still subject to interview and training record as well as seniority.
They managed to announce a batch of Training Captain vacancies and at the same time roster the ‘successful’ applicants for their courses before the interviews had taken place.
Meritocracy is unlikely to be a success in this industry until management stop recruiting their own with a wink and a special handshake and until they understand what it actually means.
They managed to announce a batch of Training Captain vacancies and at the same time roster the ‘successful’ applicants for their courses before the interviews had taken place.
Meritocracy is unlikely to be a success in this industry until management stop recruiting their own with a wink and a special handshake and until they understand what it actually means.
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yet again postings on this forum are lifted by the UK national newspapers and treated as gospel, even though the journos have no way of knowing who is who.... 
Scenario: BA manager poses as disgruntled Mrs Trellis from North Wales and is seen to 'have a go' at the pilots' stance.
This winds up some of our more headstrong individuals - end result - they play straight into BA's hands ending up in the Sunday Times...
...that could never happen!
Scenario: BA manager poses as disgruntled Mrs Trellis from North Wales and is seen to 'have a go' at the pilots' stance.
This winds up some of our more headstrong individuals - end result - they play straight into BA's hands ending up in the Sunday Times...
...that could never happen!
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I had hoped that BA pilots had moved on from the days of Hamble trained 'hamsters' and the thought that they were above the rest of the flying world.
Now .......back to the fray!
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You go boys & girls!!!!
No body wants to strike - but someone has to stop Mugabe Walsh before he ruins a great Company!
Both employees and customers have seen the results of his raping an pillaging.
No body wants to strike - but someone has to stop Mugabe Walsh before he ruins a great Company!
Both employees and customers have seen the results of his raping an pillaging.
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I work hard for a whole year and I bought tickets to go with my wife on a holiday. Why should I suffer because of somebody else’s “industrial dispute”? It is not fare. I have not done anything to deserve it.
If one does not like pay and conditions one should go and find another job where pay and conditions are better, not use Joe Public as a hostage in his fight with the employer.
If one does not like pay and conditions one should go and find another job where pay and conditions are better, not use Joe Public as a hostage in his fight with the employer.
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I work hard for a whole year and I bought tickets to go with my wife on a holiday. Why should I suffer because of somebody else’s “industrial dispute”? It is not fare. I have not done anything to deserve it.
If one does not like pay and conditions one should go and find another job where pay and conditions are better, not use Joe Public as a hostage in his fight with the employer.
If one does not like pay and conditions one should go and find another job where pay and conditions are better, not use Joe Public as a hostage in his fight with the employer.
Whilst I have sympathy for your "possibly" spoiled holiday ( as yet there is no set date for the strike ).
However, your words " If one does not like pay and conditions one should go and find another job where pay and conditions are better " are incorrect with regard to the pilots dispute.
The pilots are not asking for Better Conditions. They wish to preserve what conditions they already have and I for one do not blame them one single bit.
I am a frequent business flyer and would be seriously affected should a strike occur but, the pilots have my full backing.
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Strikes are not fare. Majority of people have jobs where they cannot hold people as hostages. This gives those who are in such position and unfair advantages over everybody else as they can negotiate with the employer pay and conditions above what the market would give them.
Next time a pilot goes on strike why not go and look into the eyes of the families (many with children) at check-in who just realised that their only holidays are cancelled?
Would the striking pilots dare to explain to the children whose holidays they destroyed that this year they don't have the holiday they were looking forward for several month? Somehow I supposed they would prefer to leave these to check-in staff...
Next time a pilot goes on strike why not go and look into the eyes of the families (many with children) at check-in who just realised that their only holidays are cancelled?
Would the striking pilots dare to explain to the children whose holidays they destroyed that this year they don't have the holiday they were looking forward for several month? Somehow I supposed they would prefer to leave these to check-in staff...
Ok Seguei,
Your employer intends to attack your terms and conditions by some underhand and duplicitous method so do you:
a. Do nothing and have your family's future lifestyle further eroded.
b. Fight back to maintain the status quo (which isn't as good as you might think in the first place).
BALPA offered negotiation. BALPA was happy for OS pilots to operate to different T & Cs. BA walked away from the table with a final and unacceptable offer.
Would you like to explain to my children why they haven't had a holiday in 3 years either?
Your employer intends to attack your terms and conditions by some underhand and duplicitous method so do you:
a. Do nothing and have your family's future lifestyle further eroded.
b. Fight back to maintain the status quo (which isn't as good as you might think in the first place).
BALPA offered negotiation. BALPA was happy for OS pilots to operate to different T & Cs. BA walked away from the table with a final and unacceptable offer.
Would you like to explain to my children why they haven't had a holiday in 3 years either?
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I can't see that the pilots have been "dragged" into anything.
The pilots have an agreement in place that had been negotiated with the management, pilots want to change it and the managment don't, so the pilots call a strike.
How this is the responsibility of the management?
The pilots have an agreement in place that had been negotiated with the management, pilots want to change it and the managment don't, so the pilots call a strike.
How this is the responsibility of the management?
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Strikes are not fare. Majority of people have jobs where they cannot hold people as hostages. This gives those who are in such position and unfair advantages over everybody else as they can negotiate with the employer pay and conditions above what the market would give them.
Next time a pilot goes on strike why not go and look into the eyes of the families (many with children) at check-in who just realised that their only holidays are cancelled?
Would the striking pilots dare to explain to the children whose holidays they destroyed that this year they don't have the holiday they were looking forward for several month? Somehow I supposed they would prefer to leave these to check-in staff...
Next time a pilot goes on strike why not go and look into the eyes of the families (many with children) at check-in who just realised that their only holidays are cancelled?
Would the striking pilots dare to explain to the children whose holidays they destroyed that this year they don't have the holiday they were looking forward for several month? Somehow I supposed they would prefer to leave these to check-in staff...
I did try to explain to you in my last post that the pilots are NOT asking for increased pay and conditions. they want to keep what they already have and not have things taken away from them.
Maybe you should read through this thread
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=309570
Which explains the reasons for the strike ballott.
As for pilots looking into the eyes of children at the check-in desk. I think that is rather melodramatic. If there is a strike then Check-in will be closed as there will be no flights operating.
I would say that I appreciate the position you and your family MAY find yourselves in but, as I pointed out in my last post all the pilots want is their current conditions to be maintained and I would support anyone who wants that for themselves and their families.
Regards,
G-BPED
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Next time a pilot goes on strike why not go and look into the eyes of the families (many with children) at check-in who just realised that their only holidays are cancelled?
Alternatively, fly QANTAS and you can experience it today.
