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For those worried about dates of any possible strike action if I am right in my limited understanding of UK law on this the strike has to take place within the 28 period after the ballot result, and with 7 days notice.
So from this moment any strike can only take place between Feb 29th & 20th March. So at the moment it won't directly affect the T5 opening on 27th March
So from this moment any strike can only take place between Feb 29th & 20th March. So at the moment it won't directly affect the T5 opening on 27th March
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What? Gatbusdriver, you are not helping you or your colleagues plight with that sort of post.
The 'whining' you get here will only be the beginning, I suspect you will be adopting the brace position.
I suspect however that most of your colleagues actually want to talk though and that there will be a result.
Your aggression is not an advert for the Pilot plight, may I advise you take the backbench.
The 'whining' you get here will only be the beginning, I suspect you will be adopting the brace position.
I suspect however that most of your colleagues actually want to talk though and that there will be a result.
Your aggression is not an advert for the Pilot plight, may I advise you take the backbench.
Marlowe - I appreciate no one really wants to strike and to be honest I do have elements of sympathy towards "the cause".
For everyones sake all I would say is please do remember your customer base - we will also be affected by this.
I have said enough.
For everyones sake all I would say is please do remember your customer base - we will also be affected by this.
I have said enough.
Controversial, moi?
BA and it's pilots needs to show flexibility.
If we were truly inflexible and did not have an eye to teh future profitablity of BA we would have been balloting for strike action over those other issues.
WW obviously sees vast rewards, not least for himself and that inaptly named 'leadership team'. Fine but he is not going to achieve that off my and others contributions while at the same time freezing us out of any future share of those rewards. In fact I believe it is his intention to rapidly undermine and minimise the rewards I and my colleagues currently enjoy.
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This is simple cause and effect, WW and his bunch of merry sandal wearing latte' quaffers have had the message loud and clear, now they want to start talking again
Oh to be a fly on the wall.....
"Mr Walsh, its 86% in favour of a strike....."
"Begooooora Sebastion, not again? where oh where are we going wrong?"
Oh to be a fly on the wall.....
"Mr Walsh, its 86% in favour of a strike....."
"Begooooora Sebastion, not again? where oh where are we going wrong?"
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Do you understand the issues and why the crew voted for strike action?
It is a shame that customers are affected, nature of the beast i'm afraid. What you don't realise is that the crew are not looking for your support
Do you understand the issues and why the crew voted for strike action?
It is a shame that customers are affected, nature of the beast i'm afraid. What you don't realise is that the crew are not looking for your support
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I think my braces are caught on something as I keep pulled back in here. (I am trying to lighten the atmosphere in case anyones in doubt)
There are some very uptight people posting here, both pilot and customer, and they have a right to be upset. I can take posings like gatbusdrivers on the chin, but can I now put my 'holidaymaker' title back in its box.
Games of industrial cat and mouse like this have been around since God was a boy. Yes you have to show solidarity if you are going to be listened to and you have certainly achieved that. You have got them back to the discussion table again.
But realistically you are not going to leave the table with no change to your current status. Those who have said that BA has to remain competitive are quite correct and that will mean some changes. ( ref my earlier posting British Leyland, the National Coal Board and probalby in the future the Post Office are/were just not competitive, whoevers fault it might have been)
I was once told that Accountants know the price of everything and the value of nothing. That is especially true for human resources as well as material. But unfortunately they hold a lot the the company strings these days.
Get yourselves together through your union rep's and decide how much give and take has got to be allowed for. Give WW and his crowd something they can hold up to the press as a 'victory' so they can back out without losing face.
If you give BA's PR Department a sows ear they should be able to make a silk purse out of it if they are any good at their job.
There are some very uptight people posting here, both pilot and customer, and they have a right to be upset. I can take posings like gatbusdrivers on the chin, but can I now put my 'holidaymaker' title back in its box.
Games of industrial cat and mouse like this have been around since God was a boy. Yes you have to show solidarity if you are going to be listened to and you have certainly achieved that. You have got them back to the discussion table again.
But realistically you are not going to leave the table with no change to your current status. Those who have said that BA has to remain competitive are quite correct and that will mean some changes. ( ref my earlier posting British Leyland, the National Coal Board and probalby in the future the Post Office are/were just not competitive, whoevers fault it might have been)
I was once told that Accountants know the price of everything and the value of nothing. That is especially true for human resources as well as material. But unfortunately they hold a lot the the company strings these days.
Get yourselves together through your union rep's and decide how much give and take has got to be allowed for. Give WW and his crowd something they can hold up to the press as a 'victory' so they can back out without losing face.
If you give BA's PR Department a sows ear they should be able to make a silk purse out of it if they are any good at their job.
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Vino I think everybody understands that a compromise will have to be reached around the table and that some giving and taking will need to take place BUT its the threat of a strike that has now got WW back to wanting to talk again .
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...So from this moment any strike can only take place between Feb 29th & 20th March...
I think the wording of the legislation is that industrial action must commence within those dates.
I don't think it requires it to be conducted or concluded within those dates.
In other words, provided a minimum of 7 days notice of industrial action was given to BA, no later than 13 March, and that industrial action actually commenced no later than 20 March, any industrial action could then legally continue indefinitely.
...So at the moment it won't directly affect the T5 opening on 27th March...
From a legal point of view, I don't think it is something one can discount at present. What will actually happen, I haven't a clue.
Any of M'learned Friends reading this care to comment on the relevant TU law?
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Bellerophon
...So from this moment any strike can only take place between Feb 29th & 20th March...
I think the wording of the legislation is that industrial action must commence within those dates.
I don't think it requires it to be conducted or concluded within those dates.
In other words, provided a minimum of 7 days notice of industrial action was given to BA, no later than 13 March, and that industrial action actually commenced no later than 20 March, any industrial action could then legally continue indefinitely.
...So at the moment it won't directly affect the T5 opening on 27th March...
From a legal point of view, I don't think it is something one can discount at present. What will actually happen, I haven't a clue.
Any of M'learned Friends reading this care to comment on the relevant TU law?
Regards
Bellerophon
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Bellerophon, I stand corrected.
So obviously it could affect the opening of T5 if it were to commence on say 19th of March and continue from there.
Or for example could they announce a 2 day strike for 19/20 March and then another 2 days a week later and so on and so on. As long as the actual notification took place before the end of the 28 day period?
Lets hope it doesn't get to that!
So obviously it could affect the opening of T5 if it were to commence on say 19th of March and continue from there.
Or for example could they announce a 2 day strike for 19/20 March and then another 2 days a week later and so on and so on. As long as the actual notification took place before the end of the 28 day period?
Lets hope it doesn't get to that!
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'It is a shame that customers are affected, nature of the beast i'm afraid. What you don't realise is that the crew are not looking for your support'.
Funny that ,where do you think the pilots wages come from ?
Funny that ,where do you think the pilots wages come from ?
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I feel sorry for the holiday-makers too but if you are looking for someone to blame, direct your anger at BA Management. Willie Walsh is solely responsible for the current state of affairs with his no-negotiation stance and he has had months to change his approach.
My personal feeling is the pilots should have started striking next week not leave the management more time to come up with a smoke and mirrors way out of their intransigence.
Regards
Orion Man
My personal feeling is the pilots should have started striking next week not leave the management more time to come up with a smoke and mirrors way out of their intransigence.
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Funny that ,where do you think the pilots wages come from ?
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If you can think of a way to secure my future terms and conditions without needing to go on strike (something that BALPA have not already thought of), my colleagues and I (and no doubt BA management) would be delighted to hear it.
Ticket sales are down how much exactly since the ballot result was announced? - going on strike is a dinosaur practice in a dinosaur industry, and pissing off the customers just brings the end of the gravy train that much closer.
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Whats so special about your pay Gertrude? I'll stick my neck out and say if the boss told you you were taking a 30% pay cut you'd protest. Nothing like a bit of hypocrisy.
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Whats so special about your pay Gertrude?
That's the real world.
How come BA doesn't mostly have Indian pilots anyway?
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Because they can't work here and they don't have enough pilots in their home market to meet domestic demand, let alone coming to the UK. That's the real world as you like to put it, supply and demand. Now, which part of the dot com boom reflected reality? All that work put into companies that generated lots of hype but no profit. IT sector wages were artificially inflated to an unsustainable level as everyone jumped onto the bandwagon. As I sit back and watch my company report excellent profits and record breaking profit margins I wonder whether me wages are artificially high.