BA Pilot Ballot results
a very high turnout.
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The question is will BA think again, in the face of this overwhelming vote, or are they so pig-headed that they will stick to their position and force a strike?
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I was chatting with a mate of mine who is a BA driver the other day. He voted against, citing that this was no shot across the bows, but a full on vote for strike and he wasn't prepared to do that.
I guess voting to strike is the easy bit, the difficult bit comes next. A high turnout is essential and this vote looks pretty solid to me. I am just sad that it comes to this and I don't fly for BA.
Sincerely hope that BA management now think again, NOBODY wins in a full on strike.
I guess voting to strike is the easy bit, the difficult bit comes next. A high turnout is essential and this vote looks pretty solid to me. I am just sad that it comes to this and I don't fly for BA.
Sincerely hope that BA management now think again, NOBODY wins in a full on strike.
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Message for your 'mate' from the General Secretary of BALPA:
Message for your 'mate' from the General Secretary of BALPA:
Irrespective of the way you voted, we request all members respect the decision of colleagues as expressed in the ballot result.
Thread Drift but..
I don't think this is a make or break issue for Balpa here. Good Luck to all you BA chaps but Bapla is about a lot more than BA nowadays. Certainly Virgin have the membership, numbers and solidarity to take on our management and win as we did in '03 and '06 and will again in '08 regardless.
As before though, Good luck chaps - I have a spare donkey jacket if anyone needs one...
I don't think this is a make or break issue for Balpa here. Good Luck to all you BA chaps but Bapla is about a lot more than BA nowadays. Certainly Virgin have the membership, numbers and solidarity to take on our management and win as we did in '03 and '06 and will again in '08 regardless.
As before though, Good luck chaps - I have a spare donkey jacket if anyone needs one...
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How strange - with a vote for strike action in his in-tray Willie suddenly wants to talk. Shame he didn't want to talk to BALPA earlier when they first asked to discuss Open Lies all those months ago.
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Willie: Strike action not inevitable
Chief executive Willie Walsh has described as “deeply disappointing” news that pilots have voted in favour of strike action.
Pilots’ union BALPA has been balloting BA pilots over the airline’s plans to set up a new subsidiary, OpenSkies, flying between Europe and the US.
The union informed BA today that 79 per cent of those balloted have voted in favour of strike action.
Willie Walsh said: “This is deeply disappointing news that will be of great concern to you and to our customers. However, I do not believe that a strike is inevitable.
“I am calling on BALPA’s general secretary to accept an offer to involve the ACAS conciliation service in a bid for a peaceful outcome to this unnecessary dispute.
“We have guaranteed to BALPA that OpenSkies does not represent a threat to the terms and conditions of BA pilots. We have offered to make these guarantees part of our industrial agreement with pilots. Our talks with BALPA are continuing and I will keep you informed.”
Chief executive Willie Walsh has described as “deeply disappointing” news that pilots have voted in favour of strike action.
Pilots’ union BALPA has been balloting BA pilots over the airline’s plans to set up a new subsidiary, OpenSkies, flying between Europe and the US.
The union informed BA today that 79 per cent of those balloted have voted in favour of strike action.
Willie Walsh said: “This is deeply disappointing news that will be of great concern to you and to our customers. However, I do not believe that a strike is inevitable.
“I am calling on BALPA’s general secretary to accept an offer to involve the ACAS conciliation service in a bid for a peaceful outcome to this unnecessary dispute.
“We have guaranteed to BALPA that OpenSkies does not represent a threat to the terms and conditions of BA pilots. We have offered to make these guarantees part of our industrial agreement with pilots. Our talks with BALPA are continuing and I will keep you informed.”
http://www.britishairways.com/travel...b?p_faqid=3152
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...nstrike121.xml
And so it begins.....
Controversial, moi?
....but if there has been an offer of Secondment for Mainline crew whilst retaining seniority,
As a manager you should know that.
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Incumbent pilots of the airline hate the influx of 'outsiders'. The secondees are treated as pariahs.
BA Pilots' Ballot Result
From BALPA'S website:
...BA pilots voted 86% in favour of strike action in a massive 90% poll. There was a huge amount of debate during the ballot with both BALPA and BA management encouraging members to vote. Both sides knew the importance of the decision....
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Anyone else notice how the managers and directors seem to come off best whatever mess they make of a company?
Rule of any good management:
1 Identify your key staff
2 Don't p155 them off
Some body's future is going to hinge on any losses incurred in BA, the shareholders won't be pleased with disruption. As far as ACAS goes ignore them, speak to the CEO directly. It's his job that's on the line and he won't want to loose it too quickly.
Is he by any chance a non domicile?
Rule of any good management:
1 Identify your key staff
2 Don't p155 them off
Some body's future is going to hinge on any losses incurred in BA, the shareholders won't be pleased with disruption. As far as ACAS goes ignore them, speak to the CEO directly. It's his job that's on the line and he won't want to loose it too quickly.
Is he by any chance a non domicile?
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so, you are about to strike - when, Easter of course! Why then, to have maximum impact on the fare-paying (ie. wage paying public).
How long will you strike for, 2 days, then 2 days more a bit later on. Why not have an all out strike and stay out!
That way, passengers about to book will know what to do. You can then forget about T&C's as you will be picking up your P45s instead.
I am booked to fly with you around Easter. If you disrupt my arrangements, then you can be sure that I won't be using BA again.
How long will you strike for, 2 days, then 2 days more a bit later on. Why not have an all out strike and stay out!
That way, passengers about to book will know what to do. You can then forget about T&C's as you will be picking up your P45s instead.
I am booked to fly with you around Easter. If you disrupt my arrangements, then you can be sure that I won't be using BA again.
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As JM said on Sky News, this isn't a dispute against the passengers, although they will clearly suffer. BA are being given a chance to restart the negotiations they walked out on a few weeks ago. Perhaps now, they will come back in a reasonable frame of mind.
I still believe WW wants to see an actual demonstration of this strength of feeling so I would expect quiet skies soon.
Target your venom/ire at BA, not the pilots. I've yet to find one who was pleased to be given the opportunity to strike. BA forced our hand.
I'm sure you won't be alone. Management take note.
I still believe WW wants to see an actual demonstration of this strength of feeling so I would expect quiet skies soon.
Target your venom/ire at BA, not the pilots. I've yet to find one who was pleased to be given the opportunity to strike. BA forced our hand.
If you disrupt my arrangements, then you can be sure that I won't be using BA again.
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tb10er,
Maybe you should have a go at the BA Management team and not the staff,this time the pilots.
Once you have clammed down (fare paying,wage paying passenger) and we thank you for that,we the staff never forget that?,ask yourself why are so many NON MILITANT workers having so many problems?!!.
Cabin crew last year,now the pilots,Cabin crew again being balloted in about two weeks and then our colleagues on check in!!.
We can't all be wrong!!
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We the staff/employees appreciate you pay our wages and also those very large wages of our management team,who in fact could'nt manage anything.
They are cutting costs everywhere,staff wages,T&C's to make more profit and line their own pockets yet again.However when they reduce the loading of Club washbags and take off the 10 disposable razors we used to provide that affects the service we give to you.
None of us at BA regardless of department,want to affect anyones travel arrangements.No matter when it happens it will affect someone.
I personally apologise if your travel plans are disrupted(thats all I do in the cabin these days is say sorry!!),BA won't apologise,just blame others for their inability to,listen,negotiate and manage.
Don't write to customer relations,they are short of staff also and saying sorry to 1000'S who have not got their bags again.Write to Willie Walsh and tell him what you think of him and his incompetent management team.
I wish you luck in your easter travel plans.Our disputes and problems as staff will affect the rest of our working lifes.
WTDWL.
Maybe you should have a go at the BA Management team and not the staff,this time the pilots.
Once you have clammed down (fare paying,wage paying passenger) and we thank you for that,we the staff never forget that?,ask yourself why are so many NON MILITANT workers having so many problems?!!.
Cabin crew last year,now the pilots,Cabin crew again being balloted in about two weeks and then our colleagues on check in!!.
We can't all be wrong!!
.We the staff/employees appreciate you pay our wages and also those very large wages of our management team,who in fact could'nt manage anything.
They are cutting costs everywhere,staff wages,T&C's to make more profit and line their own pockets yet again.However when they reduce the loading of Club washbags and take off the 10 disposable razors we used to provide that affects the service we give to you.
None of us at BA regardless of department,want to affect anyones travel arrangements.No matter when it happens it will affect someone.
I personally apologise if your travel plans are disrupted(thats all I do in the cabin these days is say sorry!!),BA won't apologise,just blame others for their inability to,listen,negotiate and manage.
Don't write to customer relations,they are short of staff also and saying sorry to 1000'S who have not got their bags again.Write to Willie Walsh and tell him what you think of him and his incompetent management team.
I wish you luck in your easter travel plans.Our disputes and problems as staff will affect the rest of our working lifes.
WTDWL.
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Strike dates
There are two targets of opportunity: Easter and the opening of T5. Both would cause maximum embarrassment to WW, but ruining Easter would seriously p*ss off the public. I'd go for T5.
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Hopefully it'll be sorted before Easter.
I would be surprised if it drags on until T5 opens. BA are perfectly capable of screwing that up on their own without industrial action giving them an excuse.
I would be surprised if it drags on until T5 opens. BA are perfectly capable of screwing that up on their own without industrial action giving them an excuse.