Frustrated (?) pilots and security screening
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Some say that if a doctor can be a "sleeper" then so can a pilot too. The important difference is that such a terrorist pilot will not be detected by security. The reason is obvious, he doesn´t need to bring any dangerous stuff with him in order to do harm because he will use the airplane for that.
Stop this nonsense and start screening pilots the same way that police are screened.
Stop this nonsense and start screening pilots the same way that police are screened.
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Cwatters...
So how come police and customs officials are not screened?
Your post could also read:
News Flash....Police officer forced to take package through security after children kidnapped.... six people arrested airside had tickets on different flights......pictures at ten...
If Police officers etc for some reason don´t have to be screened then pilots shouldn´t have to be either.
After all, police officers need to bring some dangerous item inside the airport to do harm whereas pilots don´t.
So how come police and customs officials are not screened?
Your post could also read:
News Flash....Police officer forced to take package through security after children kidnapped.... six people arrested airside had tickets on different flights......pictures at ten...
If Police officers etc for some reason don´t have to be screened then pilots shouldn´t have to be either.
After all, police officers need to bring some dangerous item inside the airport to do harm whereas pilots don´t.
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Barberpol, you say:
"But Would you say the same of pilots bringing something thru security intended to attack another flight?"
So how can police officers, imigration and customs officials be considered safe without screening?
"But Would you say the same of pilots bringing something thru security intended to attack another flight?"
So how can police officers, imigration and customs officials be considered safe without screening?
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On a more positive security note ... 
(apologies if this has already been posted)
Metallica Frontman Detained By Security Due To 'Taleban-Like' Beard
There's A Song In Here Somewhere...
Tales of overreaching airport security efforts continue to serve up a treasure trove of silly stories, that are more entertaining than anything we could make up. And here's another one.
All did not go smoothly leading up to the performance of heavy-metal pioneers Metallica during last weekend's Live Earth concert. According to a report in The Times, the band's lead vocalist and rhythm guitarist, James Hetfield, was detained and questioned by officials at Luton Airport when he arrived for the Saturday gig at Wembley Stadium.
Eventually, when red-faced officials realized they were detaining a guy who's sold 90-million albums, Hetfield was released, and the performance went off on time.
Hetfield's friends say it was his "Taleban-like beard" that got him pulled out of the line.
We're unable to confirm that any other middle-aged, biker-looking white guys with tattoos have actually joined the Taleban, but we have uncovered a rumour that ZZ Top has decided to travel only in old V8 Fords from now on...
FMI: www.metallica.com
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I feel so much safer!
(apologies if this has already been posted)Metallica Frontman Detained By Security Due To 'Taleban-Like' Beard
There's A Song In Here Somewhere...
Tales of overreaching airport security efforts continue to serve up a treasure trove of silly stories, that are more entertaining than anything we could make up. And here's another one.
All did not go smoothly leading up to the performance of heavy-metal pioneers Metallica during last weekend's Live Earth concert. According to a report in The Times, the band's lead vocalist and rhythm guitarist, James Hetfield, was detained and questioned by officials at Luton Airport when he arrived for the Saturday gig at Wembley Stadium.
Eventually, when red-faced officials realized they were detaining a guy who's sold 90-million albums, Hetfield was released, and the performance went off on time.
Hetfield's friends say it was his "Taleban-like beard" that got him pulled out of the line.
We're unable to confirm that any other middle-aged, biker-looking white guys with tattoos have actually joined the Taleban, but we have uncovered a rumour that ZZ Top has decided to travel only in old V8 Fords from now on...
FMI: www.metallica.com
aero-news.net
I feel so much safer!
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Les Wilson - Thanks, great article!
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Customs are not exempt
Customs personnel are NOT exempt from security searches, unless the exempt themselves because they are on a "shout" then there details should be logged and then the incident followed up by Security management.
The only people who are exempt are the Police and SB
The only people who are exempt are the Police and SB
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Wait a minute, let me get this right.
You are all moaning and complaining about doing something... for which you are getting paid for?
Or do you work at an airline where your working shift starts as soon as you get in the cockpit?
I am happy to go through security checks all day long if I am getting paid for it. Thats just me though.
You are all moaning and complaining about doing something... for which you are getting paid for?
Or do you work at an airline where your working shift starts as soon as you get in the cockpit?
I am happy to go through security checks all day long if I am getting paid for it. Thats just me though.
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Hey everybody,
just a quick question.
I fly a 777 all over, however, when ever I go home to n.ireland I find aldergrove security completely unique.
One "officer" freely admitted today that Belfast make up their own rules. I thought everyone had to follow the DofT rules ver batem, or can they indeed implement changes as long as thier new rules are more restrictive?
Heres a few of my experiences.
Being made to take off my shoe's (no problem their) but then being made to show them the bare soles of my feet.
Being made to take mobile phones out of your bags (the rules is for computers not mobile phones.)
Having deodorant confiscated today.
I dont mind following the rules but how can you if one airport keep changing the goal posts.
Comments Appreciated....
SeaBiscuit
just a quick question.
I fly a 777 all over, however, when ever I go home to n.ireland I find aldergrove security completely unique.
One "officer" freely admitted today that Belfast make up their own rules. I thought everyone had to follow the DofT rules ver batem, or can they indeed implement changes as long as thier new rules are more restrictive?
Heres a few of my experiences.
Being made to take off my shoe's (no problem their) but then being made to show them the bare soles of my feet.
Being made to take mobile phones out of your bags (the rules is for computers not mobile phones.)
Having deodorant confiscated today.
I dont mind following the rules but how can you if one airport keep changing the goal posts.
Comments Appreciated....
SeaBiscuit
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Okay people, once more into the firing line !
Having seen the comments after my last post on this subject and no, I have not changed my point of view, I saw two police officers in the coffee shop in the Queens Building at LHR assisting someone and decided that rather than pass comment such as " anoxic " I would do the decent thing and actually ask them when they were free if they are exempt from search when moving from landside to airside.
Bearing in mind that they had firearms with them, they told me that due to the "equipment " that they carry a search would be inappropriate but that statute law " apparently this is what the government pass " and specifically the aviation security act exempts officers from the police stations at airports from being required to be searched due to the execution of their duty.
Therefore boys and girls, this has nothing to do with the police, the government has said that they do not need to be searched and have made it law.
I moan about it, we all do, but let us all accept that we are all at risk and that any measure regardless of who it bothers the most is there for the benefit of aviation in general and therefore may provide some deterrent to those who are happy to harm it.
Toothpic, carry on reading the Daily Mail, guess you believe all you read, usual supposition and innuendo, hardly balanced but sufficient for you to be influenced. Try the torygraph, it has big pages and is clearly influenced by the conservatives but is at least a reputable broadsheet with a reasonable degree of balanced news and commentary.
Scorpion1080, I am right with you buddy, the minute we believe we should be able to stroll through with the " we fly the things and pose no security risk " when even the staff who search us have to be searched shows just how high some of our colleagues feel that they are in the pecking order. Rather glad that I and others believe that the system may not be perfect, possibly could be improved, but it’s what we have to work with and in the current climate I am sure it’s better than nothing.
Moaners, try concentrating on something else and lets move on........
Having seen the comments after my last post on this subject and no, I have not changed my point of view, I saw two police officers in the coffee shop in the Queens Building at LHR assisting someone and decided that rather than pass comment such as " anoxic " I would do the decent thing and actually ask them when they were free if they are exempt from search when moving from landside to airside.
Bearing in mind that they had firearms with them, they told me that due to the "equipment " that they carry a search would be inappropriate but that statute law " apparently this is what the government pass " and specifically the aviation security act exempts officers from the police stations at airports from being required to be searched due to the execution of their duty.
Therefore boys and girls, this has nothing to do with the police, the government has said that they do not need to be searched and have made it law.
I moan about it, we all do, but let us all accept that we are all at risk and that any measure regardless of who it bothers the most is there for the benefit of aviation in general and therefore may provide some deterrent to those who are happy to harm it.
Toothpic, carry on reading the Daily Mail, guess you believe all you read, usual supposition and innuendo, hardly balanced but sufficient for you to be influenced. Try the torygraph, it has big pages and is clearly influenced by the conservatives but is at least a reputable broadsheet with a reasonable degree of balanced news and commentary.
Scorpion1080, I am right with you buddy, the minute we believe we should be able to stroll through with the " we fly the things and pose no security risk " when even the staff who search us have to be searched shows just how high some of our colleagues feel that they are in the pecking order. Rather glad that I and others believe that the system may not be perfect, possibly could be improved, but it’s what we have to work with and in the current climate I am sure it’s better than nothing.
Moaners, try concentrating on something else and lets move on........
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Seabiscuit,
You are indeed correct, the DofT do set the rules, or rather guidelines, which the airports are free to interpret how ever they choose, as long as the minimum is adhered to.
For example, they ask that a percentage of shoes be removed, however Gatwick has now decided that all shoes should be x-rayed. In fact the BA terminal (N or S I forget) has a completely seperate x-ray machine solely for this purpose!!
If airports are free to interpret the rules as they see fit then I suspect that this debate shall rumble on and on and on........
You are indeed correct, the DofT do set the rules, or rather guidelines, which the airports are free to interpret how ever they choose, as long as the minimum is adhered to.
For example, they ask that a percentage of shoes be removed, however Gatwick has now decided that all shoes should be x-rayed. In fact the BA terminal (N or S I forget) has a completely seperate x-ray machine solely for this purpose!!
If airports are free to interpret the rules as they see fit then I suspect that this debate shall rumble on and on and on........
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If you dont like it either stand your ground or leave.
I dont like it, am not gonna waste my time standing my ground against a totally riduclous system so will leave soon - just a few more months - if you got the brains to fly an airliner then you got the brains to do something fun and interesting so go do something else there are lots of fun jobs out in the big wide world if you care to look.
IMHO being an airline pilot was cool 10 -15 years ago now it sucks! take a real good look at yourselves brothers ( & sisters) and make the right decision before you whinge yourself into an early grave.
jet noise the sound of freedom- yeh right - locked in a 2 man cell having just been strip searched on your way in! give me a break.
who is protecting who from who that is all i ask of the security services.
ex mil fj m/e civ capt etc counting the days and am only in my 40s ttfn.
I dont like it, am not gonna waste my time standing my ground against a totally riduclous system so will leave soon - just a few more months - if you got the brains to fly an airliner then you got the brains to do something fun and interesting so go do something else there are lots of fun jobs out in the big wide world if you care to look.
IMHO being an airline pilot was cool 10 -15 years ago now it sucks! take a real good look at yourselves brothers ( & sisters) and make the right decision before you whinge yourself into an early grave.
jet noise the sound of freedom- yeh right - locked in a 2 man cell having just been strip searched on your way in! give me a break.
who is protecting who from who that is all i ask of the security services.
ex mil fj m/e civ capt etc counting the days and am only in my 40s ttfn.
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Or go fly in a country where the Security issue is taken seriouly enough but not P1ssing off the guys & girls it is also there to protect.
Like I have done just recently, as I certainly got really fed up with all the BS, UK plc has taken upon themselves to inflict on the Crews in ole Blighty.
It is actually a welcome breath of fresh air.
BR.
Like I have done just recently, as I certainly got really fed up with all the BS, UK plc has taken upon themselves to inflict on the Crews in ole Blighty.
It is actually a welcome breath of fresh air.
BR.
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The system has lost the plot with security over the last few years. Nobody minds sensible security but i can't take a water bottle on to my aeroplane but some taliban sympathysing geezer in skychef can take a truckload through and then give it to me. I cant take my leatherman through but i can have the axe on the flight deck. I can be humiliated at the screening point but as soon as i am on my aeroplane the responsibility lies with me for security. Some of my colleagues fly military jets in support of the UK as reservists, as soon as they return they are looked upon as scumbags. I cant take my wife of 30 years on the jumpseat but somebody i have never seen or heard of can as long as they have company ID. The lunatics are running the asylum.
It does make me wonder why i am bothering and yes i am considering leaving the business. Fortunately i have retired once but am still well under 65, the tea shop in dorset is looking better every day. Good luck to those of you that are left.
It does make me wonder why i am bothering and yes i am considering leaving the business. Fortunately i have retired once but am still well under 65, the tea shop in dorset is looking better every day. Good luck to those of you that are left.
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Don't forget chaps, when our comrades in security pat you down (or touch you up) remember to tell them that you are Gay. Then, when they on start grappling with the family jewels, remember to smile. They'll often jump away if you try to touch them as well. It doesn't change the price of bacon, but it's good fun.
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Ever seen the mess a box of exploding firecrackers (fireworks variety, I'm not talking thunderflashes) can make in an enclosed space?
Do those remind you of something (think fuse)?
Are female flight crew and F/As already being forced to discard their Tampax at security, or do we have to wait for the first "tampon bomb" attempt?
Do those remind you of something (think fuse)?
Are female flight crew and F/As already being forced to discard their Tampax at security, or do we have to wait for the first "tampon bomb" attempt?