Frustrated (?) pilots and security screening
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Will it catch on in the UK? And will crew still be seen as a special high risk group needing special restrictions? Knowing the way this country is I will believe it when I see it!
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My eyes are bleeding...
I have just finished reading the entire thread from #1. I'm speechless.
It's reinforced my attitude that the UK - like the US - just isn't worth visiting by air. Exception for the UK being by light aircraft and into a confirmed GA friendly airfield.
I have to applaud the professionalism that crews have, to put up with the nonsense. I would have snapped a long time ago. Then again, I'm just a GA bod who only flies for fun - and rarely read this forum (but chanced upon this thread).
I have airside passes for a couple of international airports (the kind that a certain low cost Irish operator flies into). As a foreign national, their background checks would have been cursory.I don't want to draw any attention to GA - so suffice to say reading the adolescent rantings of a certain couple of persistent trolls had my ghast completely flabbered.
Some pretty hilarious stories though.
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just an idea
would it not be possible to use the media to get the security problem addressed? for example "airline passengers at risk of burning inferno fireball due to pilots being harrassed by security".
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People 'can't wait for ID cards'
BBC NEWS | Politics | People 'can't wait for ID cards'
"I believe there is a demand, now, for cards - and as I go round the country I regularly have people coming up to me and saying they don't want to wait that long" Jacqui Smith
BBC NEWS | Politics | People 'can't wait for ID cards'
"I believe there is a demand, now, for cards - and as I go round the country I regularly have people coming up to me and saying they don't want to wait that long" Jacqui Smith
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It's the same one where she walks around late at night looking for kebab shops, isn't it?
Realistically, how many people get to go up to government ministers and ask for an ID card?
Then again, she failed to mention all those who would have said that no way were they ever going to have an ID card.
Realistically, how many people get to go up to government ministers and ask for an ID card?
Then again, she failed to mention all those who would have said that no way were they ever going to have an ID card.
Surely in this day and age you'd need an ID card to get anyway near a Government minister in the first place.....me thinks she's talking BS...
She is sounding spookily like the "Commissar Smith" oft quoted in "Private Eye".......
"..Objections from old, out-moded and old-fashioned liberal theorists must be ignored in these new and dangerous circumstances. How can Comrades ever hope to be free unless they are under 24-hour surveillance?"
I must get out more....
She is sounding spookily like the "Commissar Smith" oft quoted in "Private Eye".......
"..Objections from old, out-moded and old-fashioned liberal theorists must be ignored in these new and dangerous circumstances. How can Comrades ever hope to be free unless they are under 24-hour surveillance?"
I must get out more....
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Actually I was told by security that they have to get your permission (PAX or Crew) to do a body search however if you refuse you will be either wand searched or not allowed to proceed into the restricted area. Just imagine the chaos if all crew refused to be searched!!!
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It's just dumb to suggest that ANYONE should be exempt from secruity screening - I'm glad airside security at most major airports is NOT in the hands of a mere fellow pilot!
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me thinks drdexter1975 has not thought about reading more of this thread and just assumed pilots dont want to go through security....
assume- when you make an ASS of U not ME
reading his post on companies paying for type ratings seems to suggest he has no aviation knowledge either....
is this parmos brother?
assume- when you make an ASS of U not ME
reading his post on companies paying for type ratings seems to suggest he has no aviation knowledge either....
is this parmos brother?
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Jacqui Smith is a very dangerous person. The truth appears to evade anything she says.
However, it must be understood that the NID has nothing to do with security. It is purely about control. The Home Office officials in charge of implementing the Scheme have actually stated that it has nothing to do with Security, at meetings held with them.
Can I suggest that the ID issue be discussed in the existing thread to keep it concentrated and leave this one to security frustrations?
http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/3...ongress-8.html
To add to the 'permission' debate...When transiting the Staff gates at work the security guards always ask politely if they want to do a pat down. I said no one day and was just told (politely) that I would not be allowed any further.
They must have your permission to physically search you.
However, it must be understood that the NID has nothing to do with security. It is purely about control. The Home Office officials in charge of implementing the Scheme have actually stated that it has nothing to do with Security, at meetings held with them.
Can I suggest that the ID issue be discussed in the existing thread to keep it concentrated and leave this one to security frustrations?
http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/3...ongress-8.html
To add to the 'permission' debate...When transiting the Staff gates at work the security guards always ask politely if they want to do a pat down. I said no one day and was just told (politely) that I would not be allowed any further.
They must have your permission to physically search you.
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EGSS security
One of my colleagues has heard that Stansted staff gate security now have cubicles in which they can conduct strip searches
Can anyone confirm/deny this?
If it is true, what's their legal basis for this? or is it by consent?
S78
Can anyone confirm/deny this?
If it is true, what's their legal basis for this? or is it by consent?
S78
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strip searches
Only Police and Customs can strip search and even then in restricted circumstances. NO private security firm can strip search even with consent.
Sounds like a load of b******s.
Sounds like a load of b******s.
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Strip search?
There have always been cubicles at Stansted they are there for pax who request a private search of bag or body. Also if a ADM activation cannot be resolved by over the clothing pat down, and of course always by concent.
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Having travelled through heathrow regularly for over fourteen years I can say the searches have become ridiculous. At peak hours it causes delays and i no longer look forward to travelling simply because of this. While no one disputes the fact that these checks have to be carried out there are better ways to do this. At heathrow after going through the first check point there is another one for shoes only why not do both together.
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I've said this before. If you keep to the right after passing through passport control you can avoid the pointless shoe check - in Terminal 3 at any rate.