Frustrated (?) pilots and security screening
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BALPA are asking all pilots to file MORs, send copy to BALPA. They have been making strenuous representations for ages, but it is largely anecdotal. So they need MORs, many thereof. Dont write here, write on an MOR
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female pilots have perks lol
must say its male pilots complain about the body searches but as im a girl & to save themselves a law suit for being 'sexist' or 'harrasing' me sercurity tend to pat me down quickly and wave me through, although i have had snotty letters from the boss after i've forgot to put the lip balm in the clear bag opps
. i thing i must say though is that sercurity is so tight in the UK that you cant even fart without being accused of trying to bomb the masses- why would i blow up my a/c purposefully is perplexing to me as we got this job as we love flying not blown up in pieces. Just relized this has turned into a sort of rant- sorry
jennie xxx
. i thing i must say though is that sercurity is so tight in the UK that you cant even fart without being accused of trying to bomb the masses- why would i blow up my a/c purposefully is perplexing to me as we got this job as we love flying not blown up in pieces. Just relized this has turned into a sort of rant- sorry jennie xxx
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The problem is that most of the controversial ASR's that have an MOR tick in the box are filtered by the airlines anyway. So the CAA never get to see them.
You have got NO chance of getting the reality of the situation addressed at all.
BR.
You have got NO chance of getting the reality of the situation addressed at all.
BR.
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The security in UK must be crazy. The pilots job is to fly the plane safely and not causing any harm to it. Hey, if they take the small shaver (due to small razor), what about the mandatory crash axe in the cockpit. That can do more harm, or you guys in UK dont even have that? I'm lucky here in Msia, the security is very professional and very polite. They respect us as human being and not categories pilots as a person who want to harm the plane. It is our job to be safe, but the rules have been implemented to far over there.
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I inform you.... Security is still a joke. Took off from B?? recently with a
"Rock Concert" in full swing on departure with very little security at all, a few small metal fences like the ones usually kept for crowd segregation into the Bar area. 5 police cars and about 20 feds were the only "security" on the apron, which is where the concert was taking place.
On the return flight, on vacating the runway, we were greeted with 4 Gypsy Caravans and a bonfire with Fiddler an a small party in full swing! All within a few meters of the Runway and well within the Aerodrome boundary.
You may switch off..........
"Rock Concert" in full swing on departure with very little security at all, a few small metal fences like the ones usually kept for crowd segregation into the Bar area. 5 police cars and about 20 feds were the only "security" on the apron, which is where the concert was taking place.
On the return flight, on vacating the runway, we were greeted with 4 Gypsy Caravans and a bonfire with Fiddler an a small party in full swing! All within a few meters of the Runway and well within the Aerodrome boundary.
You may switch off..........
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In both Britain and the US I have attended briefings on the subject of concealed and disguised weapons given to audiences of policemen and SF personnel. To say that some policemen were stunned at what they saw is not to overstate the case. Anyone who attended those briefings will be aware that airport security does not deter the genuine terrorist, although it is very effective at detecting belt buckles on law abiding passengers and crew.
I have some sympathy for the security staff at the gate. They have been given a job to do by political leaders with their heads in the sand who do not want to face reality. But I feel nothing but contempt for those bureaucrats in the D of T and similar agencies worldwide who pretend that their activities are protecting the general public. Sadly, there are pilots on this forum who feel we should go with the flow.
If there is a lesson from 9/11 that none but the Americans seem to want to recognise, it is that point defence of the flightdeck should be a priority. Area defence, including gate security, is then a valid defensive line. On its own, gate security is no defence at all since it is less than 100% effective. Remember that next time they confiscate your shaving foam.
I have some sympathy for the security staff at the gate. They have been given a job to do by political leaders with their heads in the sand who do not want to face reality. But I feel nothing but contempt for those bureaucrats in the D of T and similar agencies worldwide who pretend that their activities are protecting the general public. Sadly, there are pilots on this forum who feel we should go with the flow.
If there is a lesson from 9/11 that none but the Americans seem to want to recognise, it is that point defence of the flightdeck should be a priority. Area defence, including gate security, is then a valid defensive line. On its own, gate security is no defence at all since it is less than 100% effective. Remember that next time they confiscate your shaving foam.
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Lessons learned from 9/11
Dear Sir, I remind you...
(Royal) 'We' recently watched in 2007 at B?? airport a group of gypsies having a little party along the edge of our JAA certified International airport runway!
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(Royal) 'We' recently watched in 2007 at B?? airport a group of gypsies having a little party along the edge of our JAA certified International airport runway!
...you may switch off
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EGHD twice over the weekend. both times the pax and crew went through screening and arrived at the aircraft (VIP charter) laughing, happy and at ease. The security staff were excellent, mature, wise and funny. The whole farce was explained to the pax as they went through, but the search was bloody thorough.
EGN? one evening last week. Pax and crew treated like scum, handling agent very embarassed. Thirty minutes to get two pilots and three pax to an aircraft. Lead passenger's words "Never, ever bring me here again. I'm tempted to come back and blow the f***ing place up just because of their behaviour."
Lead passenger ex-mil thought the search technique "pathetic and totally lacking in training."
VH
EGN? one evening last week. Pax and crew treated like scum, handling agent very embarassed. Thirty minutes to get two pilots and three pax to an aircraft. Lead passenger's words "Never, ever bring me here again. I'm tempted to come back and blow the f***ing place up just because of their behaviour."
Lead passenger ex-mil thought the search technique "pathetic and totally lacking in training."
VH
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Dont forget this petition is still running, almost 3,000 signatures.
http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/airside/
http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/airside/
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Take Your Shoes Off Captain!
Your are a cockpit crew member with proper ID and uniform of a flag carrier airline, accompanied by 12 flight attendants and you are asked to take your shoes off when passing through the metal detector.
You have two options
1- Take them off and comply, and try to forget about it till it happens again
or
2- Refuse to take them off and take your risks
I would like to hear from airline pilots on how they feel about taking their shoes off in public infront of all their crew and pax
You have two options
1- Take them off and comply, and try to forget about it till it happens again
or
2- Refuse to take them off and take your risks
I would like to hear from airline pilots on how they feel about taking their shoes off in public infront of all their crew and pax
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No1 - or there won't be a next time!
Lots of threads about whether crew should be subject to same checks as the pax - but at the moment we are.
If you refuse you will probably lose your airside pass - and therefore job. Nothing would make the little men on the powertrip at the scanner happier!
Not sure if this is a rumour or news though - thread to be moved perhaps?
Lots of threads about whether crew should be subject to same checks as the pax - but at the moment we are.
If you refuse you will probably lose your airside pass - and therefore job. Nothing would make the little men on the powertrip at the scanner happier!
Not sure if this is a rumour or news though - thread to be moved perhaps?
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Why would you disregard a perfectly legal request from security personnel under any circumstances, however frustrating it might be.
I think this board has already established that it is not worth fighting security rules for the sake of one's job - if you want to do that get into politics.
I am not sure why the OP raises the question: the argument is out of date and settled.
I think this board has already established that it is not worth fighting security rules for the sake of one's job - if you want to do that get into politics.
I am not sure why the OP raises the question: the argument is out of date and settled.
Está servira para distraerle.
There's absolutely no problem at all. Usually fly with the same dedicated VVIP crew on ******* and so forth's 747. The senior cabin attendant, who is very beautiful beneath her veil, carries a small brocaded camp chair which she opens up for me at the appropriate time. I sit down, shielded from the gaze of any passing rifff raff by the remainder of my crew, while the no2 or no3 removes my shoes for inspection. One of the crew then dusts the inner sole lightly with a soft and fragrant powder. I adore patchouli, especially for those long haul night trips. Then off we go to the limousine and thence to the aircaft.
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Ropey,
I wonder which are the "Little men on the power trip".
Like it or not, right or wrong, security applies to us all, no matter how inflated the ego or the level of self importance.
There have been many posts here about airport security, but it's with us to stay and part of the aviation life.
How long does it take to co operate and get on with it? a matter of seconds and less than a minute.
If anyone wants to make a fuss and make themselves and their employer look stupid, get on with it and they'll find out what happens when you do, in the interim they can ponder where their next job will be - not likely to be in aviation.
I wonder which are the "Little men on the power trip".
Like it or not, right or wrong, security applies to us all, no matter how inflated the ego or the level of self importance.
There have been many posts here about airport security, but it's with us to stay and part of the aviation life.
How long does it take to co operate and get on with it? a matter of seconds and less than a minute.
If anyone wants to make a fuss and make themselves and their employer look stupid, get on with it and they'll find out what happens when you do, in the interim they can ponder where their next job will be - not likely to be in aviation.
Está servira para distraerle.
The fact that some goon dressed up in a white shirt and blue slacks asks one to do something does not necessarily make it a legal request. What he can perhaps do, as an airport employee or servant, is to prevent one proceeding further if one declines to do as he requests and his employer requires.
I wonder which are the "Little men on the power trip".
If anyone wants to make a fuss and make themselves and their employer look stupid, get on with it and they'll find out what happens when you do, in the interim they can ponder where their next job will be - not likely to be in aviation.
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I think the major issue is that the crew IS the law onboard. The Captain is the Sheriff and his trusty F/o the Deputy. Even though they may never have met until checkin time, they still perform their roles as per company and aircraft procedures. They also have to handle any problem or disturbance which may arise. Together. Even if they have just met. How is this possible? Through standardization and a common goal. Some even call it professionalism 
. Both pilots are trained since day 1 of flightschool to think safety first, and that they are responsible for anything that happens inflight. Maybe some of us are on egotrips, but I really don`t think so. And having their skills tested twice anually and perhaps sweating through a medical or two, they are then put through a so-called securitycheck by someone right off the street. "Shoes off!" 
So from that point of view I do understand why a lot of us are completely p!$$ed off at these ridiculous regulations 
. Where are the unions anyway?
. Both pilots are trained since day 1 of flightschool to think safety first, and that they are responsible for anything that happens inflight. Maybe some of us are on egotrips, but I really don`t think so. And having their skills tested twice anually and perhaps sweating through a medical or two, they are then put through a so-called securitycheck by someone right off the street. "Shoes off!" So from that point of view I do understand why a lot of us are completely p!$$ed off at these ridiculous regulations . Where are the unions anyway?
Está servira para distraerle.
It's only a rumour at the moment mind you, but the story is that the British government is having another 'consultation' on airport security.
The idea coming from No 10 would be to employ immigrants awaiting deportation as security guards at UK airports. This would satisfy new international legal requirements that security staff be government employees, legislation having to be introduced after the Blackstone scandal in Iraq, and that, having had experience of such matters, they would know what to look out for anyway.
