Frustrated (?) pilots and security screening
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New to the forum and just caught this end of this thread whilst browsing. Couldn't agree more with early sentiments. In amongst the majority of professional security screening staff seem to be an element with a serious chip who like nothing better than to take a pilot down a step or two. Good on the Aussies 
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Did I relate my experience going through 'security' at JFK some time back, in uniform, with the rest of the crew.
I dared to step thru the 'magic doorway' with, oh dear....my hand in my pocket!
Luckily, they noticed that in time to have me return to the doorway, and step thru one more time without the offending hand in the pocket.
Though when asked, they couldn't tell me why I couldn't do that!!
On another occasion, I was to ferry an airplane out...so we three walked to the end of the departure lounges, and asked the security to open the lower level door, so we could simply walk across the adjacent taxiway to our airplane parked right there.
Nope..we had to wait 40 minutes for a van to arrive so it could drive us approx. 30 yards to the airplane steps. The implication here was of course that we had to be escorted!
Gee, I'm really glad I don't go via JFK any more!
Cheers..FD..
I dared to step thru the 'magic doorway' with, oh dear....my hand in my pocket!
Luckily, they noticed that in time to have me return to the doorway, and step thru one more time without the offending hand in the pocket.
Though when asked, they couldn't tell me why I couldn't do that!!
On another occasion, I was to ferry an airplane out...so we three walked to the end of the departure lounges, and asked the security to open the lower level door, so we could simply walk across the adjacent taxiway to our airplane parked right there.
Nope..we had to wait 40 minutes for a van to arrive so it could drive us approx. 30 yards to the airplane steps. The implication here was of course that we had to be escorted!
Gee, I'm really glad I don't go via JFK any more!
Cheers..FD..
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FD:
If you wrap metal in flesh it's harder to detect. So you could have had something in your pocket that you were holding against your leg.
I discovered this courtesy of a federal security guard (pre-9/11) when passing through a metal detector, setting it off and being told to go through it again with my hands over my belt buckle.
Though when asked, they couldn't tell me why I couldn't do that!!
I discovered this courtesy of a federal security guard (pre-9/11) when passing through a metal detector, setting it off and being told to go through it again with my hands over my belt buckle.
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This is getting ridiculous.. I have had enough of EMA security staff (someone else here mentioned them too)
Every dam time i go through security they decide to test one of the liquids in my clear plastic bag. And they always chose the most expensive one. It's only a wi bit they say. No it's bloody not!!!! That perfume cost me £50 and i apologize for wanting to smell nice and look after myself. What am i going to do with it, spray a pax to death??
And the worst part was that she went through my crew bag and decided to unwrap me all nicely foiled sandwiches for the day. Thanks a lot you c**t, now i'll go hungry all day cause i have no idea where you're hands been prior to touching my sandwiches. What am I going to do with them, threaten a pax with "cheese to death"??????.
I want to know, is there anyone who's going to do anything about these "security all the way" people?? Use your common sense love, my lipgloss is harmless, you take my RedBull away but i have plenty in the a/c, you go through my private little bag with ladies toiletries hoping to find something but all you find is my tampons and emergency tights and knickers. How bloody rude and uneducated are you???I witness you bullocing a pilot landside but you have no idea once airside, he has control over a dam plane and if he wanted to, he'd do some damage to make a point..
Are you lot mentally challenged???? Have some common sense for Christ Sake!!!
One more overzelous security staff and i WILL go ballistic.
I want this to stop. It makes our life hell even before we got in an a/c.
Sort it.
Every dam time i go through security they decide to test one of the liquids in my clear plastic bag. And they always chose the most expensive one. It's only a wi bit they say. No it's bloody not!!!! That perfume cost me £50 and i apologize for wanting to smell nice and look after myself. What am i going to do with it, spray a pax to death??
And the worst part was that she went through my crew bag and decided to unwrap me all nicely foiled sandwiches for the day. Thanks a lot you c**t, now i'll go hungry all day cause i have no idea where you're hands been prior to touching my sandwiches. What am I going to do with them, threaten a pax with "cheese to death"??????.
I want to know, is there anyone who's going to do anything about these "security all the way" people?? Use your common sense love, my lipgloss is harmless, you take my RedBull away but i have plenty in the a/c, you go through my private little bag with ladies toiletries hoping to find something but all you find is my tampons and emergency tights and knickers. How bloody rude and uneducated are you???I witness you bulloc
ing a pilot landside but you have no idea once airside, he has control over a dam plane and if he wanted to, he'd do some damage to make a point..Are you lot mentally challenged???? Have some common sense for Christ Sake!!!
One more overzelous security staff and i WILL go ballistic.
I want this to stop. It makes our life hell even before we got in an a/c.
Sort it.
So why don't you get one of your favourite perfume bottles and fill it with the outpourings of a cat/dog/horse/pig/hamster/iguana or any other animal you that you can get to contribute including your boyfriend/husband/girlfriend/partner etc.
They will only sample that once and, as far as I know, there is no law against carrying pee in a bottle as long as the quantity is less than 100ml.
They will only sample that once and, as far as I know, there is no law against carrying pee in a bottle as long as the quantity is less than 100ml.
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JW you are a star!!! Great idea! And maybe i'll throw in me crew bag a used tampon (i am ever so sorry for being so grose but maybe this will teach these fucers a lesson)
Is there a way we can just go to work, put our crew bags and handbags on the belt and just go through the "magic gate" without any hassle?!
I mean, aren't the security checks and 5 years back checks enough? Is it that they are not doing their jobs when checking the references hence why we have to go through all this $hit 5 days a week? Maybe this belongs to the Rant Thread on JetBlast but surely someone, at some point
will come up with an idea of how we can have these security people back off and let us go to the crew room stress free!
ers a lesson)Is there a way we can just go to work, put our crew bags and handbags on the belt and just go through the "magic gate" without any hassle?!
I mean, aren't the security checks and 5 years back checks enough? Is it that they are not doing their jobs when checking the references hence why we have to go through all this $hit 5 days a week? Maybe this belongs to the Rant Thread on JetBlast but surely someone, at some point
will come up with an idea of how we can have these security people back off and let us go to the crew room stress free!
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ONLY in the UK are crew treated like criminals, no other EU country refuses operating crew to bring whatever drinks, food and cosmetics with them onboard.
I always bring my soft-drinks, aftershave, etc. with me, NEVER questions asked.
So "Great" Britain, wake-up and smell the coffee, your "Security" policies are ridiculousand frankly appalling.
I always bring my soft-drinks, aftershave, etc. with me, NEVER questions asked.
So "Great" Britain, wake-up and smell the coffee, your "Security" policies are ridiculousand frankly appalling.
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"appalling" - not to mention UNSAFE! I have heard of crews having ESSENTIAL medical liquids (as prescribed by their GP), confiscated in the name of safety. I am so glad to be based outside the UK now 
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Luton have to be among the worst. There's no continuity at all. I've been hauled up airside in uniform with I.D to be told by some spotty failed policeman that my I.D is not valid as it hasn't got LTN (LUTON) on it. Our company (orange) have a standard I.D good for all our bases and issued at Luton. they got extra security to escort me landside in front of pax. I argued the toss and after 30 mins they decided the I.D was ok. This is security not recognising the airports major operator's I.D. Each day it's off with shoes and belts. I went through the other day on a day off in jeans (with belt) trainers t-shirt, high viz and I.D to meet the other half flying in. You guessed it, not a blink of an eyelid. No shoes off, no belt off, no questions about what I'm doing/going. I just walked staight through with no problems. Remember, you're number one suspect if crew in uniform. It's DFT window dressing implimented by w***kers with small c**k/small person/under achievers complex. They're applying to people whose job it is to be "in control" of an aircraft restrictions designed to stop punters gaining control of an aircraft. I've told them I can go stark naked to the plane and still crash it by pushing, or I can go unarmed without my water and yoghurt and still pick up the big axe next to me. Bless them, they just can't grasp the idea. Keep up the good work. I respect and take you seriously.
A colleague was passing through the crew inspection room at a Far East airport, when some event airside required the presence of a squad of armed military personnel. The girl with the Magic Wand asked the crew to stand aside, and got every soldier to stand on the footstool whilst she passed the M.W. around their bodies. Their sub-machine guns, bayonets, bandoliers of bullets and belts of hanging grenades caused the M.W. to screech continuously. Once the troop had passed through inspection of the crew continued, and my colleague asked exactly what she had been looking for ? A blank stare was the answer. Q.E.D. 
The Pointy End.
I would not tell everybody you used your ID and Hi viz to go Airside on a day off just to meet your other half!
That is a big no no, consider your self lucky that security were dealing with explosive water and parfume and not catching individuals where they shouldn't be!
I would not tell everybody you used your ID and Hi viz to go Airside on a day off just to meet your other half!
That is a big no no, consider your self lucky that security were dealing with explosive water and parfume and not catching individuals where they shouldn't be!
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And one day, I passed through... and the beeper went off...o no!!! What are you concealing´´..I said, nothing. Out came the magic stick and it concentrated it´s self on my wings!! ´What´s that? she asked. Well, we as pilot´s, get wings on our uniforms that identifies us to the rest of the crew and the passengers and anybody else..except to you by, the look´s of it!!!!!
Right, off it comes´ we have to inspect to see if it´s concealing anything. To which I replied yes, it´s concealing something...my dignity!!!! Reply: what´s that´!!!!!
Right, off it comes´ we have to inspect to see if it´s concealing anything. To which I replied yes, it´s concealing something...my dignity!!!! Reply: what´s that´!!!!!
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Just coming in.... from Australia's Sydney Morning Herald newspaper. Everyone in the industry knows that, while the pilots are harassed and stripped of wings, shoes, dignity, etc, ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS DRESS UP AS A COP AND WALK THROUGH, EXEMPT FROM SCREENING!
(Then again, in Sydney, every other non-pilot/non-flight attendant goes through the side gates - UNSCREENED also)
Armed officer boards Sydney flight - Travel - smh.com.au
Armed officer boards Sydney flight
July 2, 2008 - 8:44PM
An investigation is underway after a NSW police officer managed to board a flight at Sydney airport still carrying his gun.
The officer was in full uniform and was on duty when he boarded the flight from Sydney to the Gold Coast yesterday morning, the Australian Federal Police (AFP) said.
The officer was detected with the gun at the Gold Coast and travelled back to Sydney with the weapon in the hold.
A spokesman for the airport said: "Under Australian aviation security regulations, NSW police officers when in uniform and on duty are exempt from security screening."
An AFP spokeswoman said they were consulting with the federal Department of Infrastructure, Transport, Regional Development and Local Government as well as the airport and the airline.
"We will examine the incident to see if further action is needed regarding airport security," she said.
The spokeswoman would not comment on whether any action would be taken against the officer.
"The matter has been referred to NSW Police for investigation."
Police officers are not permitted to travel armed on aircraft without specific approval, she said.
(Then again, in Sydney, every other non-pilot/non-flight attendant goes through the side gates - UNSCREENED also)
Armed officer boards Sydney flight - Travel - smh.com.au
Armed officer boards Sydney flight
July 2, 2008 - 8:44PM
An investigation is underway after a NSW police officer managed to board a flight at Sydney airport still carrying his gun.
The officer was in full uniform and was on duty when he boarded the flight from Sydney to the Gold Coast yesterday morning, the Australian Federal Police (AFP) said.
The officer was detected with the gun at the Gold Coast and travelled back to Sydney with the weapon in the hold.
A spokesman for the airport said: "Under Australian aviation security regulations, NSW police officers when in uniform and on duty are exempt from security screening."
An AFP spokeswoman said they were consulting with the federal Department of Infrastructure, Transport, Regional Development and Local Government as well as the airport and the airline.
"We will examine the incident to see if further action is needed regarding airport security," she said.
The spokeswoman would not comment on whether any action would be taken against the officer.
"The matter has been referred to NSW Police for investigation."
Police officers are not permitted to travel armed on aircraft without specific approval, she said.
Deadly perfume
You don't have to spray it on me, I am deathly allergic to perfume, just being near me would do me in.
What if your co-pilot is the same? A lot of us are too polite or too afraid of sexism accusations to say anything until we start showing signs.
Is pan pan the right thing to say when he passes out? Maybe it should be the name of a strong perfume?
What if your co-pilot is the same? A lot of us are too polite or too afraid of sexism accusations to say anything until we start showing signs.
Is pan pan the right thing to say when he passes out? Maybe it should be the name of a strong perfume?
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JW, fair play and a good point well made.
Dont start them on that one! My bladder definately holds more than 100ml, is wrapped in flesh, and wont fit in a plastic sandwich bag!
there is no law against carrying pee in a bottle as long as the quantity is less than 100ml.