Frustrated (?) pilots and security screening
Just watched a report on CNN which highlights the fact that TSA in the USA are still failing miserably to find to find fake bombs and explosives carried through security check points by their inspectors. LAX is the worst offender as they fail to find 75% of the devices. That being the case it seems a little pointless to give security cleared crews such a hard time.
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you have just solved my breakfast cereal dilemma for me. I can't get the deadly stuff called milk through security but if i but if i buy a few of those wee 100ml bottles from Boots then i can have breakfast
Can't sand crew food and not a happy bunny without my breaky and sick of cereal bars
Can't sand crew food and not a happy bunny without my breaky and sick of cereal bars
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Just an observation for all you people who are still going through it......Shoe removal ceased a long time ago at our place. The rules are determined by the DTR as to when and if they are instigated. If your airport (UK) is still doing it then they are probably out of date. Unless the DTR instruct each airport individually, which I doubt.
As for dedicated staff gates. We've had those for a long time. Unfortunately moaning pilots often slow up the line there as well.
Most of the rules are illogical but we have to put up with them. We have to have our ear defenders x-rayed...(presumably in case we blow our heads off).
As for dedicated staff gates. We've had those for a long time. Unfortunately moaning pilots often slow up the line there as well.
Most of the rules are illogical but we have to put up with them. We have to have our ear defenders x-rayed...(presumably in case we blow our heads off).
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I am sure many lives were saved by the banana that was removed from a member of our crew by security because 'it could be mashed up into a liquid'.
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The importance of less than 100ml liquid!
I think we are all underestimating the importance of having less than 100 ml of liquid; because, although the pilot only needs his "bare hands" to kill everybody on board.....he'd probably need the other pilot to be away from the control stick to do it, so.....
With sufficient fluid, if one pilot got the other pilot to drink it, he could "trick" him into going to the toilet and
, voila, the airplane is available to be crashed.
So as you see, we should all abide by and respect the 100 ml of fluid rule!
With sufficient fluid, if one pilot got the other pilot to drink it, he could "trick" him into going to the toilet and
, voila, the airplane is available to be crashed.So as you see, we should all abide by and respect the 100 ml of fluid rule!
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We are all professionals, and we all take our jobs seriously. But.. I do get very p^%%ed off going through uk security. Just wondering if one day all refused to take our shoes off like the that ozzy guy.. what would happen? If that is out of date, I'd appreciate a link if possible. I looked at the DFT latest policy etc, but no mention of shoes.
I'll print it out, and throw it at them. The idea of the picture with the crash axe.. excellent.. have it in my light bag now, going to try it out tmrw!!
It is very annoying for us all, but unless we do something about it, whats the point in complaining??? Think the poms are used to doing what they are told!!
I'll print it out, and throw it at them. The idea of the picture with the crash axe.. excellent.. have it in my light bag now, going to try it out tmrw!!
It is very annoying for us all, but unless we do something about it, whats the point in complaining??? Think the poms are used to doing what they are told!!
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North Terminal at LGW has a second security post after the main one solely for shoes. So you go through the first one and have your bag, coat and plastic bag containing your 100ml bottles of fluid x-rayed. Stop repack everything proceed about 10 yards, and then stop again, take yoiur shoes off and put them in a separate x-ray machine. Walk by that machine, wait for your shoes to be cleared, put them on again and then continue.
Madness. I thought DFTR rules were for 30% of pax shoes to be x-rayed. North Terminal do 100%. On whose authority?
Madness. I thought DFTR rules were for 30% of pax shoes to be x-rayed. North Terminal do 100%. On whose authority?
Slightly off topic but linked. I travelled back via Rome this week with the family, as I approached security I remembered that I still had a litre bottle of water in my bag that I had meant to remove earlier. I took it out and asked one of the security guys if there was a bin, his response "you have a young family, you can keep it". I went through with the bottle of water no trouble, didn't even have to taste three 250ml bottles of baby milk.
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Very differing standards indeed. Obviously the uk go as far from practicality as possible. Especially treating pilots like suspects everyday of our working lives. I came back from Germany the other day, positioning the cabin but in uniform as I had been flying that day. I had a bottle of water from the last sector, and just left it as a 'test'.
The security staff were very polite and respectful, they asked about my day and we exchanged small talk for a minute or so.
In the uk, I usually say goodmorning, to have a response maybe once in a while. I have never come across such losers, so rude and pointless!
Oh well, the more inconvenience I can cause them the better, everyone needs a good flight once in a while!!
The security staff were very polite and respectful, they asked about my day and we exchanged small talk for a minute or so.
In the uk, I usually say goodmorning, to have a response maybe once in a while. I have never come across such losers, so rude and pointless!
Oh well, the more inconvenience I can cause them the better, everyone needs a good flight once in a while!!
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Got stopped the other day and had toothpaste, deodrant and shampoo confiscated... as did the captain, made the flight back after a nightstop a very pleasant experience.... 
. The cabin crew were certainly sparing in their visits to the flight deck on the way back .
on the other hand..
Think we have a contender for the award for "most ignorant ill informed post of the year"
. congratulations. hope you remove that chip from your shoulder before the ceremony.
Paid alot[sic]? HA. Now I know you're merely speculating.
Am sure they wouldnt put up with being harrased 10 minutes before they go to theatre for an important operation. Piots don't save lives daily? mind you s'pose all they do is push the 'takeoff and land button'
If you dont want to listen to pilots moaning suggest then it might be an idea to go somewhere other than the professional pilots rumour network... I hear that the burger king forum is bustling at this time of year
. The cabin crew were certainly sparing in their visits to the flight deck on the way back .on the other hand..
So from reading these threads I think I have come to the conclusion that SOME pilots are on power trips and think they should be treated differently to everyone else.
. congratulations. hope you remove that chip from your shoulder before the ceremony.
Just because you get paid alot doesn't mean you are more important
Have to be doctors and surgeons who save lives daily.
If you dont want to listen to pilots moaning suggest then it might be an idea to go somewhere other than the professional pilots rumour network... I hear that the burger king forum is bustling at this time of year
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Disposable items = Expenses
If the crew are having such things as toothpaste and deodorant confiscated, they shouldn't carry them.
They should order them from room service and charge them to their employers as a legitimate business expense and then throw them away after one use.
Shouldn't take too long before a bean counter starts to ask questions and accountants have far more authority than security.
They should order them from room service and charge them to their employers as a legitimate business expense and then throw them away after one use.
Shouldn't take too long before a bean counter starts to ask questions and accountants have far more authority than security.
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I didn't read the whole thread but can't you put your toothpaste, deodorant....which are under 100ml in a ziploc bag and that way still be legal? I'll be flying out of LHR soon (operating int cargo) and don't want my nice after shave confiscated and used by some rent a cop.
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cinnamon,
as far as I am aware that would be permitted, however make sure that the size of the containers are less than 100ml, although I a squirt of shampoo, and a smidgin of toothpaste apparently the container size is what dictates it is allowed through.
On the plus side if you have load of old toiletries and the bin is a bit full, just whack em in your flight bag and hey presto... someone else will throw them away for you.
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as far as I am aware that would be permitted, however make sure that the size of the containers are less than 100ml, although I a squirt of shampoo, and a smidgin of toothpaste apparently the container size is what dictates it is allowed through.
On the plus side if you have load of old toiletries and the bin is a bit full, just whack em in your flight bag and hey presto... someone else will throw them away for you.
T
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Mike thanks for that, without going into unpleasant details I suffered a foot problem for many (try 10) years before they went away.
I'd hate to even contemplate picking up something like that again.
I'd hate to even contemplate picking up something like that again.
A chance to blow-off some steam about this subject on the BBC web site:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/w...re/7066944.stm
scroll to the bottom of the article.
Obviously, it won't do any good but might help some relieve blood pressure!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/w...re/7066944.stm
scroll to the bottom of the article.
Obviously, it won't do any good but might help some relieve blood pressure!