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Dear M.Mouse,
What EXACTLY are Bassa asking ? quote
<<We are happy to share the proposals with you in full, details will be placed on our website in the urgent news updates, entitled - Industrial Action - BASSA Proposals for Settlement>>
Rgds, Oldy
What EXACTLY are Bassa asking ? quote
<<We are happy to share the proposals with you in full, details will be placed on our website in the urgent news updates, entitled - Industrial Action - BASSA Proposals for Settlement>>
Rgds, Oldy
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I had no direct reason to comment on this thread up until now, and I must say that it has proved very interesting reading. I believe that the case remains to be proven in favour of a strike as far as the BA customers, and the general public, are concerned. It also seems that a good number of those who voted yes were not wholly aware as to their reasons for doing so.
Which brings me to my point. I do now have a direct involvement in this, as I am foolish enough to be booked on a BA flight out of the UK one day after the first batch of strikes, returning to the UK on one of the later strike days. Or should I say "attempting to fly out of the UK, and attempting to return".
So at the sharp end of the business, here is the impact of your action. I cancel my direct BA flights because of the uncertainty that now surrounds those dates - and take flights with the competition even though that will involve more hassle for me. Others will, I'm sure, do the same. Some customers will not return - and the more that do not return, the fewer seats that are sold in the future and ultimately the damage done to BA will come back and be felt by those so in favour of industrial action.
I'll echo what others have said here: Good luck to those striking as you will need it - I fear that your cause will not carry the support of your customers when the facts emerge.
Paul, off to re-book his travels.
Which brings me to my point. I do now have a direct involvement in this, as I am foolish enough to be booked on a BA flight out of the UK one day after the first batch of strikes, returning to the UK on one of the later strike days. Or should I say "attempting to fly out of the UK, and attempting to return".
So at the sharp end of the business, here is the impact of your action. I cancel my direct BA flights because of the uncertainty that now surrounds those dates - and take flights with the competition even though that will involve more hassle for me. Others will, I'm sure, do the same. Some customers will not return - and the more that do not return, the fewer seats that are sold in the future and ultimately the damage done to BA will come back and be felt by those so in favour of industrial action.
I'll echo what others have said here: Good luck to those striking as you will need it - I fear that your cause will not carry the support of your customers when the facts emerge.
Paul, off to re-book his travels.
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This is just a taste of whats to come Willie! Grin and bear it. You have been instrumental in this happening - maybe even constructing the basis for the walk-out... Rumours going round (for some time now) that there is enough cash 'in the bank' for times such as these, to see BA through - just. The idea of shutting down the company - temporarily - then restarting with a clean sheet, including contracts, Ts and Cs... Does it sound too fanciful?
Just a quick question, was it not around this time (strike action iminent) while at EI that Willies future there began to look bleak and he was on his merry way over the water to 'Waterworld'?
Strike action will cause serious damage to the BA image, and will only benefit other carriers. What must Mr Bishop and Mr Branson be thinking tonight... Christmas come early!
Its time BA got a proper managerial team in place. From the top down through the ranks. Aviation isnt a game. It takes years to build up customer trust, customer satisfaction and make money - money thats hard to come by with so much competition. If the current 'management' cant sort out the mess then get a team in who can. This has been brewing for some time. Bit late to call for talks once the ballot has been announced - 96.1%! Thats not an ill conceived majority. Thats a statement that almost all cabin crew who voted have NO FAITH in Willie or his team. Mind you, most of the ground staff feel the same, so lets see how the GMB ballot turns out for the ground staff industrial action...
PS -- Dont shoot me. Just passing on some info as this is a Rumour and News Forum
Just a quick question, was it not around this time (strike action iminent) while at EI that Willies future there began to look bleak and he was on his merry way over the water to 'Waterworld'?
Strike action will cause serious damage to the BA image, and will only benefit other carriers. What must Mr Bishop and Mr Branson be thinking tonight... Christmas come early!
Its time BA got a proper managerial team in place. From the top down through the ranks. Aviation isnt a game. It takes years to build up customer trust, customer satisfaction and make money - money thats hard to come by with so much competition. If the current 'management' cant sort out the mess then get a team in who can. This has been brewing for some time. Bit late to call for talks once the ballot has been announced - 96.1%! Thats not an ill conceived majority. Thats a statement that almost all cabin crew who voted have NO FAITH in Willie or his team. Mind you, most of the ground staff feel the same, so lets see how the GMB ballot turns out for the ground staff industrial action...
PS -- Dont shoot me. Just passing on some info as this is a Rumour and News Forum
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Controversial, moi?
As for BASSA's demands how about this one from a statement by Simon Talling-Smith, BAs head of Inflight Services:
Simon Talling-Smith added: The union has submitted a request to add new increments to the pay rates of crew who joined since 1997. The effect of this would equate to an 18 per cent pay rise for top-of-scale crew, taking their earnings to more than £30,000 per year. The cost including pensions would be £10.4m a year, rising to £19m per year over time.
Simon Talling-Smith added: The union has submitted a request to add new increments to the pay rates of crew who joined since 1997. The effect of this would equate to an 18 per cent pay rise for top-of-scale crew, taking their earnings to more than £30,000 per year. The cost including pensions would be £10.4m a year, rising to £19m per year over time.
Controversial, moi?
It will also effectively neuter the more militant behaviour of other BA unions. Umm wonder if that includes BALPA ?
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I feel genuinely sorry for the customers of BA. I know how I would feel if important travel plans were wrecked. I can certainly understand those who say they will not return. I hope the impact on BA will not prove terminal!
It may even be the case that BASSA's actions are not well focused. However...
96% of their membership voted in favour of IA! So it seems there is some kind of problem for BA to address.
All I would say to the BA pilots on this forum is this: Whatever you think of BASSA, for heavens sake look after your individual cabin crew members, in what must be an incredibly difficult time for them all. I'm sure you will.
It is only a few days ago that pilots were also prepared to withdraw their labour too.
Don't forget that!
It may even be the case that BASSA's actions are not well focused. However...
96% of their membership voted in favour of IA! So it seems there is some kind of problem for BA to address.
All I would say to the BA pilots on this forum is this: Whatever you think of BASSA, for heavens sake look after your individual cabin crew members, in what must be an incredibly difficult time for them all. I'm sure you will.
It is only a few days ago that pilots were also prepared to withdraw their labour too.
Don't forget that!
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As BA crew, I too think hourly rate is the way forward - BA wants to introduce them to smoothen out attendance issues with respect to certain flights (difficulty in crewing flights to India for instance, where allowances are poor). The hourly rate has little to do with saving money and much more to do with correcting intolerably high absence.
Pros:
1) Take home pay no less than what it already is for most (some may see a small rise in net monthly salary)
2) Higher tax allowance
3) BA pays less in National Insurance Contributions (saves a little money)
4) Attendance issues (hopefully) resolved (no one will have any reason not to turn up for a BOM).
In short, everyone gains. What exactly is BASSA's problem?
May I also add - I don't agree that ANY of the 12 points BASSA have outlined justify this strike...some of their points are unjustified altogether.
Yes, I was one of the few (330) that voted NO...I am certain that more may have seen the light (or simply possessed some common sense or objectivity) if BASSA hadn't done such a great job of brainwashing 96% of the membership...
Sorry fellow crew, but I'm not stupid...
Pros:
1) Take home pay no less than what it already is for most (some may see a small rise in net monthly salary)
2) Higher tax allowance
3) BA pays less in National Insurance Contributions (saves a little money)
4) Attendance issues (hopefully) resolved (no one will have any reason not to turn up for a BOM).
In short, everyone gains. What exactly is BASSA's problem?
May I also add - I don't agree that ANY of the 12 points BASSA have outlined justify this strike...some of their points are unjustified altogether.
Yes, I was one of the few (330) that voted NO...I am certain that more may have seen the light (or simply possessed some common sense or objectivity) if BASSA hadn't done such a great job of brainwashing 96% of the membership...
Sorry fellow crew, but I'm not stupid...
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I feel genuinely sorry for the customers of BA. I know how I would feel if important travel plans were wrecked. I can certainly understand those who say they will not return. I hope the impact on BA will not prove terminal!
It may even be the case that BASSA's actions are not well focused. However...
96% of their membership voted in favour of IA! So it seems there is some kind of problem for BA to address.
All I would say to the BA pilots on this forum is this: Whatever you think of BASSA, for heavens sake look after your individual cabin crew members, in what must be an incredibly difficult time for them all. I'm sure you will.
It is only a few days ago that pilots were also prepared to withdraw their labour too.
Don't forget that!
It may even be the case that BASSA's actions are not well focused. However...
96% of their membership voted in favour of IA! So it seems there is some kind of problem for BA to address.
All I would say to the BA pilots on this forum is this: Whatever you think of BASSA, for heavens sake look after your individual cabin crew members, in what must be an incredibly difficult time for them all. I'm sure you will.
It is only a few days ago that pilots were also prepared to withdraw their labour too.
Don't forget that!
T5 will solve nothing - watch and see... The biggest Greenhouse in Europe
Controversial, moi?
It is only a few days ago that pilots were also prepared to withdraw their labour too.
Don't forget that!
Don't forget that!
Given the consequences of the initial pension proposals and comparing that issue with BASSA's wish list, well.............
I said earlier the majority of pilots would probably be right behind our CC colleagues if we felt the actions of BASSA on their behalf were justified, they are not and from my conversations with CC the penny is only now dropping.
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Mickey Mouse
Of course the thread entitled "BA pilots prepared to strike" which ran to around 70 pages was just a figment of my imagination!
Even I'm beginning to dislike BA pilots!
And I is wun!
Of course the thread entitled "BA pilots prepared to strike" which ran to around 70 pages was just a figment of my imagination!
Even I'm beginning to dislike BA pilots!
And I is wun!
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Hahaha, This has to be the funniest thing writen on this whole thread! Well done sir, glad to see some of us are on the ball!
Can you imagine the divide and rule, big stick, bend over, management mentality, if they break any of the big unions at BA..
Anyone naive enough to believe it's good for BA, may well consider selling their shares now !!!!!....most of the BA board have.
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Anyone naive enough to believe it's good for BA, may well consider selling their shares now !!!!!....most of the BA board have.
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Maybe we should be employing Ms Marple to find out where all the pension contributions went to as this 'black hole' is a major part of the companys on-going crisis and part of the CC debate.
Yes , see those shares being sold quicker than a cup of coffee full of optrex being given to WW at the first strike press conference...
Yes , see those shares being sold quicker than a cup of coffee full of optrex being given to WW at the first strike press conference...
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The only winners will the the cabin crew union staff....deadheads.....and we are being controlled by them...believe or not I know them and they are dangerous and will not do anybody any favours ??????????
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Of course the thread entitled "BA pilots prepared to strike" which ran to around 70 pages was just a figment of my imagination!
Even I'm beginning to dislike BA pilots!
Even I'm beginning to dislike BA pilots!
BALPA has now issued a ballot with the opposite recommendation to BASSA's.
Look at the difference in approach, but all the time we convinced mgt we were prepared to go out. Now we won't have to as we have extracted the max from BA with just the threat of a ballot.
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Flying Fred, why should I not assume that in time the company will remove the boxes, destination payments and overtime like they've done at Gatwick?!
You're right in that initially, these extra payments would remain. Over time, though, they'd undoubtedly be eaten away at by the company.
You're right in that initially, these extra payments would remain. Over time, though, they'd undoubtedly be eaten away at by the company.
Get the blinkers off and think for yourself.
And for all the BA pilots watching from the sidelines who do you think WW is going to target next.....
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Hi all,
I've been reading this tread with interest and amusment.
I'm an ex-employee of a BA franchise, so I have a strong connection with BA and LHR.
My T&C's at my last place are what WW is trying to achieve. Ie. Hourly rate, No CSD's, or overtime payments etc..
Some contributers think that a hourly rate is fairer to all concerned. Unfortunatley, it isn't. My experience is that favouritism/bidding for trips makes no difference. I usually came home with £1300 a month because of being stuck on 3 day trips! While some of my "colleagues" where coming home with £2000! (4x5 day trips and weekends off). It actually had nothing to do with rostering because the CC Managers would check rosters but to with Op's. An individual would phone in sick taking them off a crap trip, then having to call out another CC to cover (taking them off a nice 5 dayer). The "sick" CC would have miracle recovery just in time for the 5 day trip!
It may seem fairer on paper but in reality it ain't. Human interaction/coersion still can have a major influence.
You should also consider NI contributions, if you contribute less (due to tax exempt part of hourly rate), you'll end up with not enough contributions to draw a pension. It should be really looked into properly. It may seem like saving money for BA and WW but who's really paying the price? It certainly won't be WW and his multi-million "golden hand-shake" that he'll be receiving (like Ayling) after making a complete hash of BA.
The quote from "talling-smith" that crew would be earning £30,000 a year. And? He should try living in SE/London on less!. But with a name like that you know he spends more on his kids education than what CC earn! Prat.
Good Luck
I've been reading this tread with interest and amusment.
I'm an ex-employee of a BA franchise, so I have a strong connection with BA and LHR.
My T&C's at my last place are what WW is trying to achieve. Ie. Hourly rate, No CSD's, or overtime payments etc..
Some contributers think that a hourly rate is fairer to all concerned. Unfortunatley, it isn't. My experience is that favouritism/bidding for trips makes no difference. I usually came home with £1300 a month because of being stuck on 3 day trips! While some of my "colleagues" where coming home with £2000! (4x5 day trips and weekends off). It actually had nothing to do with rostering because the CC Managers would check rosters but to with Op's. An individual would phone in sick taking them off a crap trip, then having to call out another CC to cover (taking them off a nice 5 dayer). The "sick" CC would have miracle recovery just in time for the 5 day trip!
It may seem fairer on paper but in reality it ain't. Human interaction/coersion still can have a major influence.
You should also consider NI contributions, if you contribute less (due to tax exempt part of hourly rate), you'll end up with not enough contributions to draw a pension. It should be really looked into properly. It may seem like saving money for BA and WW but who's really paying the price? It certainly won't be WW and his multi-million "golden hand-shake" that he'll be receiving (like Ayling) after making a complete hash of BA.
The quote from "talling-smith" that crew would be earning £30,000 a year. And? He should try living in SE/London on less!. But with a name like that you know he spends more on his kids education than what CC earn! Prat.
Good Luck
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More stupid comments from you - care to expand on the above ??