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Thanks for your reply.
I wasn’t able to attend the Safety Survey briefing of 11 July 2001 but I gather that, amongst other things, moral was judged to be hovering around zero – please correct me if my debrief interpretation is wrong.
I know that one of the major contributory factors towards my own very jaundiced view of SIA has been the arbitrary and imposed loss of the 6% annual increment, which, when considering joining SIA, I had thought was part of the contract – a view I naively continued to hold until brought up sharply by the reality of a Singapore Airlines “contract”. I now automatically believe that anything the management says is a lie and that any change is designed to cheat me out of a contracted benefit – a view reinforced by the latest disgusting abrogation by “management” of the agreed annual bonus calculation terms. This wonderful state of affairs is not of my making – I came here with a positive and cooperative frame of mind – but that’s been ground away over the years.
I further understand that General Bey is now suggesting that we fly beyond our ALPA-S agreed annual hours, to allow some pilots the opportunity of annual leave this year (is this also correct?). Whilst not wishing to go into the merits or not of this proposal, the General seems to display a certain whimsy by actually suggesting this move. He has obviously not been correctly advised that the bottom of the flight crew cooperation barrel has been wiped clean some considerable time ago by “management” and that if ALPA-S were to agree to a very much “one off” short period of pilots selling leave, this “precedent” would be instantly exploited by a rapacious set of “negotiators” with a view to imposing a new, higher, annual Stakhanovite work quota. Perhaps a starting point to any discussion along the lines of a very temporary accommodation would be an unconditional and permanent reinstatement of the 6% increment, literally stolen from us.
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[ 13 July 2001: Message edited by: Tosh26 ]
Thanks for your reply.
I wasn’t able to attend the Safety Survey briefing of 11 July 2001 but I gather that, amongst other things, moral was judged to be hovering around zero – please correct me if my debrief interpretation is wrong.
I know that one of the major contributory factors towards my own very jaundiced view of SIA has been the arbitrary and imposed loss of the 6% annual increment, which, when considering joining SIA, I had thought was part of the contract – a view I naively continued to hold until brought up sharply by the reality of a Singapore Airlines “contract”. I now automatically believe that anything the management says is a lie and that any change is designed to cheat me out of a contracted benefit – a view reinforced by the latest disgusting abrogation by “management” of the agreed annual bonus calculation terms. This wonderful state of affairs is not of my making – I came here with a positive and cooperative frame of mind – but that’s been ground away over the years.
I further understand that General Bey is now suggesting that we fly beyond our ALPA-S agreed annual hours, to allow some pilots the opportunity of annual leave this year (is this also correct?). Whilst not wishing to go into the merits or not of this proposal, the General seems to display a certain whimsy by actually suggesting this move. He has obviously not been correctly advised that the bottom of the flight crew cooperation barrel has been wiped clean some considerable time ago by “management” and that if ALPA-S were to agree to a very much “one off” short period of pilots selling leave, this “precedent” would be instantly exploited by a rapacious set of “negotiators” with a view to imposing a new, higher, annual Stakhanovite work quota. Perhaps a starting point to any discussion along the lines of a very temporary accommodation would be an unconditional and permanent reinstatement of the 6% increment, literally stolen from us.
Best regards
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Our beloved leader DFO {shortly to spending more time with his family!!} has suddenly admitted in a recent newsletter that the company feels that crews afterall would benefit from their annual leave entitlement!!! Services are having to be cut to enable the huge backlog of leave particularly on B744, a decision he said was difficult to make in view of the loss of revenue!! I bet it was as up to now Profit has always come before People in SIA.
The outstanding leave is nothing short of scandalous and the impotence of the CAAS is equally so in allowing this situation to happen due to total mismanagement of our beloved leader. The incestuous relationship between SIA and CAAS needs looking into . Perhaps in the aftermath of SQ 6 crash even the CAAS has been forced to put some kind of pressure on SIA???
Our leader goes on to say that recruitment onto the rapidly expanding B777 fleet has been somewhat disappointing. However he thinks the downturn in the economic climate will come to the rescue and Pilots who otherwise would not consider SIA now will!!
What a way to recruit Captains for a so called World Class Airline!!!
Instead of getting at the root cause of the problem which is not just about money but general conditions and most importantly the way in which Flight Operations Management behaves in a most intimidatory arrogant way with the rule of fear being the keyword hence the abysmal low morale in the Airline.
Yes 6% Service increments scrapped, Bonus payment renaged on.
Anyone considering joining SIA should assume that there will be no further Bonus Payments also No Service Increments in future. Are you sure you are still interested????
The outstanding leave is nothing short of scandalous and the impotence of the CAAS is equally so in allowing this situation to happen due to total mismanagement of our beloved leader. The incestuous relationship between SIA and CAAS needs looking into . Perhaps in the aftermath of SQ 6 crash even the CAAS has been forced to put some kind of pressure on SIA???
Our leader goes on to say that recruitment onto the rapidly expanding B777 fleet has been somewhat disappointing. However he thinks the downturn in the economic climate will come to the rescue and Pilots who otherwise would not consider SIA now will!!
What a way to recruit Captains for a so called World Class Airline!!!
Instead of getting at the root cause of the problem which is not just about money but general conditions and most importantly the way in which Flight Operations Management behaves in a most intimidatory arrogant way with the rule of fear being the keyword hence the abysmal low morale in the Airline.
Yes 6% Service increments scrapped, Bonus payment renaged on.
Anyone considering joining SIA should assume that there will be no further Bonus Payments also No Service Increments in future. Are you sure you are still interested????
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Whiskery, no bloodey way. Honest answer? Theyd have to cough up another US$5000 p.m. to put up with all their crap (as outlined in TheGypsys post above). Then Id look at it.
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Yes you are absolutely correct in your writings on the Dear Leader de Vaz suddenly appearing to grasp the current reality of flight crew leave and recruitment. However, like the manoeuvrings of his titular namesake in North Korea he doesn’t really believe what he’s saying – he’d prefer to rule by fear as usual and merely parrots stuff that will keep him in a job a little longer on a mega salary and huge annual bonus, paid to keep a lid on flight ops costs – that is our salaries and allowances – but now and again reverts to type with the odd Freudian slip, revealed in his real attitude towards recruiting for a “so-called World Class Airline”.
He similarly presides, for the present, over an industrial relations wasteland of his own construction, which like the blighted nation to the north of Seoul, will eventually require someone else to step in and sort out. The Dear Leader and his clique of cosseted overlords look down in disdain at us mere serfs, chained to him not by a DMZ but an ancient and iniquitous system of bonds and bank guarantees.
The complicit CAAS will now distance itself from the Dear Leader as it hopefully joins the ranks of mainstream, independent and transparent Authorities, post MI 185 and SQ 006.
Anyone considering emigration to North Korea – er sorry, I mean SIA – should consider things very carefully.
Yes you are absolutely correct in your writings on the Dear Leader de Vaz suddenly appearing to grasp the current reality of flight crew leave and recruitment. However, like the manoeuvrings of his titular namesake in North Korea he doesn’t really believe what he’s saying – he’d prefer to rule by fear as usual and merely parrots stuff that will keep him in a job a little longer on a mega salary and huge annual bonus, paid to keep a lid on flight ops costs – that is our salaries and allowances – but now and again reverts to type with the odd Freudian slip, revealed in his real attitude towards recruiting for a “so-called World Class Airline”.
He similarly presides, for the present, over an industrial relations wasteland of his own construction, which like the blighted nation to the north of Seoul, will eventually require someone else to step in and sort out. The Dear Leader and his clique of cosseted overlords look down in disdain at us mere serfs, chained to him not by a DMZ but an ancient and iniquitous system of bonds and bank guarantees.
The complicit CAAS will now distance itself from the Dear Leader as it hopefully joins the ranks of mainstream, independent and transparent Authorities, post MI 185 and SQ 006.
Anyone considering emigration to North Korea – er sorry, I mean SIA – should consider things very carefully.
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A snippet from another thread:
BY ANGELA JAMESON of the Times
BRITISH AIRWAYS could be held to ransom by militant pilots when it begins negotiations over pay this autumn, a worldwide shortage of pilots begins to bite.
The airline could be forced to increase pilots’ pay by 10 per cent, three times the pay rises that its other employees can expect, when the current two-year pay deal runs out this September.
BA’s 3,300 pilots have seen their foreign colleagues receive pay rises of between 10 and 40 per cent in the past few days, as international airlines have moved to quell a wave of industrial action. Cathay Pacific, the Hong Kong carrier, and Iberia, the Spanish flag carrier, have both been hit by industrial action this week as their pilots have tried to exploit their strong negotiating position to win huge pay increases.
A spokesman for the British Air Line Pilots Association (Balpa) said that his members would have noted the high pay rises being achieved overseas. “It could be a very tough fight. Pilots are very much aware of their worth to the company,” the spokesman said.
Mike Powell, airlines analyst at Dresdner Kleinwort Wasserstein, said: “Pilots have a lot of power. They can stop an airline overnight and they can wipe out a year’s profits in weeks, especially at the moment, when passenger numbers are down.”
Industry observers believe that experienced flyers could be tempted overseas by the attractive packages being offered by foreign carriers, such as Emirates, which offers starting salaries for pilots of about £56,000 tax-free. BA co-pilots, by comparison, can expect to earn just £24,000 in their first year, according to Balpa. From that salary they must pay back a quarter of the cost of their training, during their first five years with the company.
A BA captain with 20 years’ flying experience can expect to earn a salary of about £110,000. This is supplemented by a variety of accommodation allowances and travel benefits.
In comparison an experienced pilot with Emirates can probably hope to make £100,000 a year, tax-free. The airline also offers free accommodation and cheap or free loss of licence insurance, which is considered a perk.
BY ANGELA JAMESON of the Times
BRITISH AIRWAYS could be held to ransom by militant pilots when it begins negotiations over pay this autumn, a worldwide shortage of pilots begins to bite.
The airline could be forced to increase pilots’ pay by 10 per cent, three times the pay rises that its other employees can expect, when the current two-year pay deal runs out this September.
BA’s 3,300 pilots have seen their foreign colleagues receive pay rises of between 10 and 40 per cent in the past few days, as international airlines have moved to quell a wave of industrial action. Cathay Pacific, the Hong Kong carrier, and Iberia, the Spanish flag carrier, have both been hit by industrial action this week as their pilots have tried to exploit their strong negotiating position to win huge pay increases.
A spokesman for the British Air Line Pilots Association (Balpa) said that his members would have noted the high pay rises being achieved overseas. “It could be a very tough fight. Pilots are very much aware of their worth to the company,” the spokesman said.
Mike Powell, airlines analyst at Dresdner Kleinwort Wasserstein, said: “Pilots have a lot of power. They can stop an airline overnight and they can wipe out a year’s profits in weeks, especially at the moment, when passenger numbers are down.”
Industry observers believe that experienced flyers could be tempted overseas by the attractive packages being offered by foreign carriers, such as Emirates, which offers starting salaries for pilots of about £56,000 tax-free. BA co-pilots, by comparison, can expect to earn just £24,000 in their first year, according to Balpa. From that salary they must pay back a quarter of the cost of their training, during their first five years with the company.
A BA captain with 20 years’ flying experience can expect to earn a salary of about £110,000. This is supplemented by a variety of accommodation allowances and travel benefits.
In comparison an experienced pilot with Emirates can probably hope to make £100,000 a year, tax-free. The airline also offers free accommodation and cheap or free loss of licence insurance, which is considered a perk.
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Hey guys! I know this message doesn't belong here but I can tell there are some real SQ guys around here who might be willing to help. I am looking for an old friend of mine at SQ. Can someone be kind enough to let me how I can get in touch with him? Do you guys have company e-mail? Thanks.
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Straits Times, Sunday 15 July 2001.
Extract from recent SIA General Shareholders Meeting:
"Besides questioning the merits of Singapore Airlines’ recent expansion plans, some shareholders raised objections to increasing directors’ fees to $630,000 from $250,000 a year ago, although the motion passed after a show of hands".
- Bloomberg News
Extract from recent SIA General Shareholders Meeting:
"Besides questioning the merits of Singapore Airlines’ recent expansion plans, some shareholders raised objections to increasing directors’ fees to $630,000 from $250,000 a year ago, although the motion passed after a show of hands".
- Bloomberg News
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Unfortunately I was away during the Safety Attitude Survey Briefing Session of 11 July 2001 but I’ve spoken with a number of colleagues who were present and who’ve been able to give me a fair idea of what was said during the course of the Session.
I was pleased to hear the generally favourable comment on EVPT Lt Gen L.G.Bey’s performance and the judgement that not only does he come across as a very nice person but that he is intelligent, articulate and open-minded – hopefully such obvious talent will extend to an aptitude for thought “outside the box” and, for once in SQ’s life, innovative and positive change to the pilots’ welfare benefits may arise. I heard similar sentiments expressed in respect of ALPA-S President, Captain Mok’s performance – does this bode well for future dialogue and pay negotiation between the two of them or will the weight of past events and feelings overwhelm them? Time will tell and we can only but lend them our full support.
Which leads me on to what I understand were the key components of Professor Bob Helmreich’s analysis of the questionnaire data which most of us sent in.
The analysis demonstrates the following points:
1. Belief that Flt Ops management is doing a good job is virtually zero
2. Trust in Flt Ops management is again virtually zero
3. Pilot morale is rock bottom
4. Pilots generally believe in the SQ system of meritocracy (approx 80%)
5. Few pilots believe that Flt Ops management administer this system in a fair and transparent manner (3% do!! – who are they??)
6. Most pilots enjoy their job (despite the exigencies provided by SQ)
If there are more pertinent points, please post them and if I have made mistakes in the above, please correct me.
On point 4. above. For what it’s worth, my own view is that SQ may again like to consider the idea of command selection of FO’s on the basis of seniority and that during the evaluation of the individual’s overall worth (including flying and command potential), his “merit report”, as collated under a new, fair and transparent system, may duly be taken into account. Iconoclasts can relax – meritocracy still has its place but it’s considered in an equally fair queuing system and my suggestion goes some way towards heading off the present situation whereby sycophant robots need only apply – a form of authoritarian control now, hopefully, to be consigned to the “dustbin of history”.
I have used the expression before, in relation to the Flt Ops management, when commenting on the SQ006 imbroglio, but is the above survey finding, again, not the most damning indictment of past collective performance and a personal testament to DFO Captain Maurice de Vaz’s 20 years of shear arrogance, obtuse prevarication, opaque manoeuvring, closed mindedness and the cynical greed of one who has profited at the expense of those he calls his good friends and colleagues and whom he thanks for 30+ years of wonderful flying and comradeship? Please, do not further embarrass us Maurice, just quietly go!
Moving on, I believe that, following professor Helmreich’s presentation, General Bey then addressed the audience – first subject, the ongoing serious pilot shortage (wholly of Maurice de Vaz’s making and the first time that I’ve ever heard of that it’s been publicly acknowledged by SQ!)). I believe that he adroitly spelled out the impact of this situation on the annual leave backlog scandal with the suggestion that we consider extra flying in lieu of SQ cancelling flights due to lack of crews, the adverse effect of which would be felt by the pilots when reflecting on next year’s resulting paltry bonus. I feel sure that General Bey understands, in his inner heart, that an appeal for pilots to fly beyond their contracted 900 hours per year, as a way of relieving roster pressure and thus allowing certain pilots to take leave, really is a non-starter – nice try anyway and I know he’s picking up the pieces but the mess is wholly of SQ’s making, not the pilots’.
If ALPA-S considers the sale of leave a viable temporary measure to alleviate present and particular hardships, then this is another matter and will hopefully be discussed in the context of a return, as other colleagues have mentioned on this thread, of our former 6% annual increment, the temporary foregoing of which (as I understood it) was to assist the Company in the face of an apparent financial storm, which, in the event, never materialised and indeed paved the way towards record profits.
I believe the General continued by outlining the Airline’s 7-point plan to mitigate the now official crew shortage and I’ve heard the ones listed below - can anyone fill in the gaps?
1. Pilots fly extra hours (as above and I hope they make the suggestion as a temporary measure!).
2. Growth restricted to 2% per annum instead of 6-8%
3. Reduce frequencies on selected services presently operated
4. Train selected senior FO’s to “cruise captain” capability, allowing a return to “three man crew” operation (there Maurice, it was easy after all!).
5. Discuss with CAAS raising the retirement age (colleagues are not sure if they heard this correctly)
6. TBA
7. TBA
I understand that he did not, however, mention what is as “plain as a pikestaff” to all of us - that is for SQ to increase the cash to a level comparable with the remuneration compensated by SQ’s global competitors and, further, bring staff travel into the twenty first century!!
Then morale would certainly take a climb and word of this effect, by phone, fax, e-mail, pprune and face to face will be the thing that brings in pilots – nothing else and certainly not exhortations to patiently await change – we’ve heard them all before and we now need clear demonstrations of good faith and an equally clear recognition of the “off balance sheet” priceless asset that the Airline holds, as collectively represented by it’s used and abused flight crews.
I do believe general Bey is the man to provide them, more especially as I understand that, as a preamble, he actually admitted to his audience that SQ pay was not good and that he was therefore relying on what he called “hygiene factors” to increase job satisfaction.
Pay us properly General and treat us with respect and you won’t be able to recognise the airline 12 months from now!
As a footnote, I’m told that a member of the old guard, the newly appointed CP B777, characteristically stalked into the Session late, sat wordless as an “éminence grise” throughout and finally left, having made no contribution. Explanation for this behaviour seems to be split between an ongoing sulk over failure to be awarded Maurice’s job or just a plain old bad hair day!
I know that such an important man is always much too busy to turn up on time – but we really do need the clearest manifestations, by management, of an attempt at a new, egalitarian approach to leadership and an eschewing of the privileged, patrician arrogance of old.
I was pleased to hear the generally favourable comment on EVPT Lt Gen L.G.Bey’s performance and the judgement that not only does he come across as a very nice person but that he is intelligent, articulate and open-minded – hopefully such obvious talent will extend to an aptitude for thought “outside the box” and, for once in SQ’s life, innovative and positive change to the pilots’ welfare benefits may arise. I heard similar sentiments expressed in respect of ALPA-S President, Captain Mok’s performance – does this bode well for future dialogue and pay negotiation between the two of them or will the weight of past events and feelings overwhelm them? Time will tell and we can only but lend them our full support.
Which leads me on to what I understand were the key components of Professor Bob Helmreich’s analysis of the questionnaire data which most of us sent in.
The analysis demonstrates the following points:
1. Belief that Flt Ops management is doing a good job is virtually zero
2. Trust in Flt Ops management is again virtually zero
3. Pilot morale is rock bottom
4. Pilots generally believe in the SQ system of meritocracy (approx 80%)
5. Few pilots believe that Flt Ops management administer this system in a fair and transparent manner (3% do!! – who are they??)
6. Most pilots enjoy their job (despite the exigencies provided by SQ)
If there are more pertinent points, please post them and if I have made mistakes in the above, please correct me.
On point 4. above. For what it’s worth, my own view is that SQ may again like to consider the idea of command selection of FO’s on the basis of seniority and that during the evaluation of the individual’s overall worth (including flying and command potential), his “merit report”, as collated under a new, fair and transparent system, may duly be taken into account. Iconoclasts can relax – meritocracy still has its place but it’s considered in an equally fair queuing system and my suggestion goes some way towards heading off the present situation whereby sycophant robots need only apply – a form of authoritarian control now, hopefully, to be consigned to the “dustbin of history”.
I have used the expression before, in relation to the Flt Ops management, when commenting on the SQ006 imbroglio, but is the above survey finding, again, not the most damning indictment of past collective performance and a personal testament to DFO Captain Maurice de Vaz’s 20 years of shear arrogance, obtuse prevarication, opaque manoeuvring, closed mindedness and the cynical greed of one who has profited at the expense of those he calls his good friends and colleagues and whom he thanks for 30+ years of wonderful flying and comradeship? Please, do not further embarrass us Maurice, just quietly go!
Moving on, I believe that, following professor Helmreich’s presentation, General Bey then addressed the audience – first subject, the ongoing serious pilot shortage (wholly of Maurice de Vaz’s making and the first time that I’ve ever heard of that it’s been publicly acknowledged by SQ!)). I believe that he adroitly spelled out the impact of this situation on the annual leave backlog scandal with the suggestion that we consider extra flying in lieu of SQ cancelling flights due to lack of crews, the adverse effect of which would be felt by the pilots when reflecting on next year’s resulting paltry bonus. I feel sure that General Bey understands, in his inner heart, that an appeal for pilots to fly beyond their contracted 900 hours per year, as a way of relieving roster pressure and thus allowing certain pilots to take leave, really is a non-starter – nice try anyway and I know he’s picking up the pieces but the mess is wholly of SQ’s making, not the pilots’.
If ALPA-S considers the sale of leave a viable temporary measure to alleviate present and particular hardships, then this is another matter and will hopefully be discussed in the context of a return, as other colleagues have mentioned on this thread, of our former 6% annual increment, the temporary foregoing of which (as I understood it) was to assist the Company in the face of an apparent financial storm, which, in the event, never materialised and indeed paved the way towards record profits.
I believe the General continued by outlining the Airline’s 7-point plan to mitigate the now official crew shortage and I’ve heard the ones listed below - can anyone fill in the gaps?
1. Pilots fly extra hours (as above and I hope they make the suggestion as a temporary measure!).
2. Growth restricted to 2% per annum instead of 6-8%
3. Reduce frequencies on selected services presently operated
4. Train selected senior FO’s to “cruise captain” capability, allowing a return to “three man crew” operation (there Maurice, it was easy after all!).
5. Discuss with CAAS raising the retirement age (colleagues are not sure if they heard this correctly)
6. TBA
7. TBA
I understand that he did not, however, mention what is as “plain as a pikestaff” to all of us - that is for SQ to increase the cash to a level comparable with the remuneration compensated by SQ’s global competitors and, further, bring staff travel into the twenty first century!!
Then morale would certainly take a climb and word of this effect, by phone, fax, e-mail, pprune and face to face will be the thing that brings in pilots – nothing else and certainly not exhortations to patiently await change – we’ve heard them all before and we now need clear demonstrations of good faith and an equally clear recognition of the “off balance sheet” priceless asset that the Airline holds, as collectively represented by it’s used and abused flight crews.
I do believe general Bey is the man to provide them, more especially as I understand that, as a preamble, he actually admitted to his audience that SQ pay was not good and that he was therefore relying on what he called “hygiene factors” to increase job satisfaction.
Pay us properly General and treat us with respect and you won’t be able to recognise the airline 12 months from now!
As a footnote, I’m told that a member of the old guard, the newly appointed CP B777, characteristically stalked into the Session late, sat wordless as an “éminence grise” throughout and finally left, having made no contribution. Explanation for this behaviour seems to be split between an ongoing sulk over failure to be awarded Maurice’s job or just a plain old bad hair day!
I know that such an important man is always much too busy to turn up on time – but we really do need the clearest manifestations, by management, of an attempt at a new, egalitarian approach to leadership and an eschewing of the privileged, patrician arrogance of old.
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Good morning Insider . You never stop to surprise me with your excellent write ups especially this last one, the more taking into consideration that you were not at the meeting. You have exactly made the relevant points and there is not much to add. I left with some optimism because I was impressed with the way general Bey was conducting his part of the question and answer session. With his past sterling reputation in the air force, and I have flown with enough ex SAF air force pilots here in Singapore to confirm this, I believe that we could be on a recovering trend. It was very reassuring to see that there is respect and a sort of trust between the president of the union , Capt Mok, and general Bey. It has to be said the Capt. Mok gave a very clear and straight forward reply to some of the future hopeful plans of management, and also stated that these stop gap measures were more or less the last bargaining points we had left in the barrel. It is obvious, and we did not need a consultant to tell us, that the present climate between pilots and management is not what you want to battle the oncoming barrage of problems due to pilot shortage, but again if general Bey and the new Director Flt Ops are capable of getting a more trustful and open relation between the two groups, you wont believe what a difference twelve months can do. And it is not only money that is the cure for morale problems, it is as general Bey calls it “hygiene” that has a definite influence in climbing morale, and one of the things that need a very very deep cleaning with gallons of Dettol is our Staff travel because every time I walk out of there I need a shower !!!
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Farside Your naivety amuses me if you think for one minute that ex Gens Bey and Ng are going to rattle any cages to get any real dialogue going with the Pilots.
After SQ6 and to cover SQ from what will probably be a damning inditement and criticism and blame these two gentlemen are on a damage limitation exercise!!
You forget that these two have been chosen from birth almost to follow the party line and will have been brain washed accordingly all these years and they are not going to put their jobs or reputation on the line to make any real changes,mark my words.
Bey,at a recent B744 Fleet meeting confirmed that all mistakes made have to be punished, being SIA this means financially of course.
Of course serious potential flying incidents are different especially if you know the right people.
Recent flurries of new committees being set up all over the place is mere window dressing just to satisfy regulalatory authorities that something is being done within SIA to sort out the mess made by 20 years of rule by fear and intimidation by our beloved leader De Vaz.
As he is responsible for the Pilot shortage and the reason why some Pilots are owed THREE YEARS LEAVE!!! then if SIA are now having to cut services and lose revenue then this should be taken directly from DE Vaz who through the years has benefitted financially by keeping crew costs to the bare minimum.
After SQ6 and to cover SQ from what will probably be a damning inditement and criticism and blame these two gentlemen are on a damage limitation exercise!!
You forget that these two have been chosen from birth almost to follow the party line and will have been brain washed accordingly all these years and they are not going to put their jobs or reputation on the line to make any real changes,mark my words.
Bey,at a recent B744 Fleet meeting confirmed that all mistakes made have to be punished, being SIA this means financially of course.
Of course serious potential flying incidents are different especially if you know the right people.
Recent flurries of new committees being set up all over the place is mere window dressing just to satisfy regulalatory authorities that something is being done within SIA to sort out the mess made by 20 years of rule by fear and intimidation by our beloved leader De Vaz.
As he is responsible for the Pilot shortage and the reason why some Pilots are owed THREE YEARS LEAVE!!! then if SIA are now having to cut services and lose revenue then this should be taken directly from DE Vaz who through the years has benefitted financially by keeping crew costs to the bare minimum.
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I hear what you say Gipsy and you are right about the mess created by the present management. But I still believe that the younger management generation, like Bey, realizes that a better ( perhaps eventually good) moral is not only a plus but a must to remain a profitable company. There is a more enlightened attitude forming in Singapore’s bigger company’s with the hiring and listening to expats ( DBS) and as I said before Bey came to SIA with a good reputation. For the rest we have to see and time will learn. It is also obvious that there is not much time left to learn. I am happy to read that at least my naivety amused you, since there is very little amusement left flying the line during the last few months.
Have a good one!
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I noted your final comment, re: de Vaz with great interest. Perhaps what really should be considered is a claw-back of the past two-year’s bonus paid to the Great Leader. The substantial proceeds could then go a long way towards reinstating our 6% annual increment, stolen two years ago.
I noted your final comment, re: de Vaz with great interest. Perhaps what really should be considered is a claw-back of the past two-year’s bonus paid to the Great Leader. The substantial proceeds could then go a long way towards reinstating our 6% annual increment, stolen two years ago.
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I happen to be condidering a job with SIA.
I recently read some posts regarding; The company considering stopping the annual bonus payments, and the annual increments.
Is there any truth in these statements!!
Thanks in advance.
MC
I happen to be condidering a job with SIA.
I recently read some posts regarding; The company considering stopping the annual bonus payments, and the annual increments.
Is there any truth in these statements!!
Thanks in advance.
MC
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Gentlemen, I am interested in the B777 Brisbane posting and should like to pose some questions to someone in the know. My email address is [email protected] for anyone who would care to help.
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Farside You are totally right in saying that there has been very little amusement in SIA of late.
Tosh 26 I agree with what you say about our STOLEN 6% Service Increment.
Back to the subject of SIA Jobs, for those of you considering a position based in Singapore.
When called for your interview you will be given a sub load Economy ticket to Sin.DO NOT expect to be upgraded as SIA want you to know from DAY I exactly what they think of you.They already have a pretty shrewd idea that you are desperate for the job as otherwise why would you come all the way to Sin ,pay all hotel and living costs yourself and the $500 for your medical.
When you get your offer of employment and you accept then that could be your first big mistake as it is not unheard of for SIA to put back your course a month or two.
On your eventual arrival do not make the mistake of thinking you have joined an efficient training organisation because you have not. Your training will last all of 4MONTHS during which time you are on a derisory salary. Another favourite trick of SIA is to send you on forced leave at some stage of your ground school,say 2 weeks. They like to do this whilst you are unproductive and on a low salary. Nice people are they not!!??
Within 20 days you have to hand over $45000/46000/60000 as a bank guarantee for 5years and 4 months. The Banks will charge you $2000 for the paperwork!!
During the ground school you will have to pay for Air Law exam and you will have to renew your medical and licence which you have to pay for!!
Your thoughts may well be thinking of renting an apartment. You will have to put up a deposit of 2 months rent to the landlord say $8700 also rental stamp duty of around $1000.
If you have children of school age then you have to put up a heavy deposit to the school.
Most expat schools are on west side of the Island which means taxis to work will be expensive
Did I hear you say you will get a car? Well forget that unless you want to mortgage your next 5 years salary for the pleasure.
When you do your calculations I think it would be wise to consider that there will be no more bonuses or service increments due to the downturn in business and the fact that SATS and SIAEC have been sold off and SIA fiddle the bonus formula to suit their own ends and even having changed it recently they now have refused to pay what is owed and the matter is now with the Ministry of Manpower. In true SIA fashion they have with held the 1.5 months they graciously said they would give as an ex-gratia payment until the matter is resolved!!
Have you all got the message yet as to what kind of employer SIA is???
I would suggest you all put off accepting a job with SIA until the financial results for the first half of the current financial year are announced around Mid October,although as SIA want to decide themselves what bonus to pay if any then you still cannot be sure.
Remember if you do join BRING PLENTY OF MONEY WITH YOU. Don't say you have not been warned.
Tosh 26 I agree with what you say about our STOLEN 6% Service Increment.
Back to the subject of SIA Jobs, for those of you considering a position based in Singapore.
When called for your interview you will be given a sub load Economy ticket to Sin.DO NOT expect to be upgraded as SIA want you to know from DAY I exactly what they think of you.They already have a pretty shrewd idea that you are desperate for the job as otherwise why would you come all the way to Sin ,pay all hotel and living costs yourself and the $500 for your medical.
When you get your offer of employment and you accept then that could be your first big mistake as it is not unheard of for SIA to put back your course a month or two.
On your eventual arrival do not make the mistake of thinking you have joined an efficient training organisation because you have not. Your training will last all of 4MONTHS during which time you are on a derisory salary. Another favourite trick of SIA is to send you on forced leave at some stage of your ground school,say 2 weeks. They like to do this whilst you are unproductive and on a low salary. Nice people are they not!!??
Within 20 days you have to hand over $45000/46000/60000 as a bank guarantee for 5years and 4 months. The Banks will charge you $2000 for the paperwork!!
During the ground school you will have to pay for Air Law exam and you will have to renew your medical and licence which you have to pay for!!
Your thoughts may well be thinking of renting an apartment. You will have to put up a deposit of 2 months rent to the landlord say $8700 also rental stamp duty of around $1000.
If you have children of school age then you have to put up a heavy deposit to the school.
Most expat schools are on west side of the Island which means taxis to work will be expensive
Did I hear you say you will get a car? Well forget that unless you want to mortgage your next 5 years salary for the pleasure.
When you do your calculations I think it would be wise to consider that there will be no more bonuses or service increments due to the downturn in business and the fact that SATS and SIAEC have been sold off and SIA fiddle the bonus formula to suit their own ends and even having changed it recently they now have refused to pay what is owed and the matter is now with the Ministry of Manpower. In true SIA fashion they have with held the 1.5 months they graciously said they would give as an ex-gratia payment until the matter is resolved!!
Have you all got the message yet as to what kind of employer SIA is???
I would suggest you all put off accepting a job with SIA until the financial results for the first half of the current financial year are announced around Mid October,although as SIA want to decide themselves what bonus to pay if any then you still cannot be sure.
Remember if you do join BRING PLENTY OF MONEY WITH YOU. Don't say you have not been warned.
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There is no truth in whatever you have heard about bonuses and increments being cancelled in future. There is a Service Increment Profit Sharing agreement in place, and a new agreement is due to be negotiated. However, do not expect next year's bonus to be anywhere close to this year's. Times are not good, and not expected to improve anytime soon. I expect next year's bonus to be around 2-3 months plus 13th month. Service increment for 2002 will be 5%.
Regards.
There is no truth in whatever you have heard about bonuses and increments being cancelled in future. There is a Service Increment Profit Sharing agreement in place, and a new agreement is due to be negotiated. However, do not expect next year's bonus to be anywhere close to this year's. Times are not good, and not expected to improve anytime soon. I expect next year's bonus to be around 2-3 months plus 13th month. Service increment for 2002 will be 5%.
Regards.
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Its not how much they SQ pay, but what it buys that really counts. Expat skippers who have the dosh to buy a motor , would normally be driving a seventies "has been" jalopy. Why? Fancy something a bit younger, perhaps a 2 door family saloon, maybe 2-3 yrs old, well there are recent ads in the Straits Times (divide by 2.55=sterling/1.82=US)
1 OWNER MID 99 Accord 2.3Vtec, deposit $5K, sunroof, elect. seats, tax/ s/rims/ CD accessories, STA evaluation, accident free! $103K neg.
Well, maybe a bit pricy eh, have to try a ten year'er, surely they must go for peanuts
92 CIVIC 1.6ESi Auto. New paint/ leather seats. Tax 10/01. Remote, alarm, s/rims, hi-fi. A1 engine. We accept credit cards/ Nets. $48,800 neg.[B]null[/B
Ah, rats, I guess wannabes will still be getting the bus to work, waiting in line in the 95% tropical humidity,sweaty and bothered before their final line check, with Captain "I hate expats" Lee/Wong/Ng...., the list is endless.
wannabes try
Singapore Cars for futher depressing reading.
1 OWNER MID 99 Accord 2.3Vtec, deposit $5K, sunroof, elect. seats, tax/ s/rims/ CD accessories, STA evaluation, accident free! $103K neg.
Well, maybe a bit pricy eh, have to try a ten year'er, surely they must go for peanuts
92 CIVIC 1.6ESi Auto. New paint/ leather seats. Tax 10/01. Remote, alarm, s/rims, hi-fi. A1 engine. We accept credit cards/ Nets. $48,800 neg.[B]null[/B
Ah, rats, I guess wannabes will still be getting the bus to work, waiting in line in the 95% tropical humidity,sweaty and bothered before their final line check, with Captain "I hate expats" Lee/Wong/Ng...., the list is endless.
wannabes try
Singapore Cars for futher depressing reading.