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Big ad in Flight this week from SIA.
I appear to qualify.
Given the problems where I work at present the option of SIA is more than attractive.
A340/B777 LHS, S$9,000 per month after training. S$30 per hour flight pay, S$26 transport allowance per round trip, Market adjustment allowance (what's that?) S$600 per month, Housing allowance up to S$3,500 per month (can I live out of Singapore and claim this?), Expat allowance up to S$1,000 per month, 13th months salary, plus share in bonus. Better weather too.
All in all not bad by the sound of it. Would reckon to take home S$17,500 in an average month...which is near double what I make now!!
Where's the catch?
Gladiator etc...I'd like to hear your comments...but please, no need for outrage, just give me some logic.
I appear to qualify.
Given the problems where I work at present the option of SIA is more than attractive.
A340/B777 LHS, S$9,000 per month after training. S$30 per hour flight pay, S$26 transport allowance per round trip, Market adjustment allowance (what's that?) S$600 per month, Housing allowance up to S$3,500 per month (can I live out of Singapore and claim this?), Expat allowance up to S$1,000 per month, 13th months salary, plus share in bonus. Better weather too.
All in all not bad by the sound of it. Would reckon to take home S$17,500 in an average month...which is near double what I make now!!
Where's the catch?
Gladiator etc...I'd like to hear your comments...but please, no need for outrage, just give me some logic.
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Not seen the ad myself but one or two observations:
A340 basic used to be $8125 after training (just over $5000 while ground training) and B777 somewhat behind this figure – now rationalised to $9000 for both. For simplicity consider the A340, which attracted a Provident Fund payment for employees, of 10% of $8125, or $812.5, total $8937.5. As you do not mention this fund as an advertised benefit in the new “improved” package, there appears to have only been a pay raise of $62.5 per month when comparing the two packages.
In Flight Allowance (IFA) used to be $31/hr for the B744 and A340, lower for the B777. It’s now $30/hr, so those boys are really making progress.
Transport Allowance per round trip used to be $24.10 (taxable). If you lived in the west where most of the schools are, round trip taxi cost to Changi is approximately $41.00. If you live in the Bayshore area, $26.00 may just do it but not after tax! The new rate seems to fall seriously short of addressing these realities.
Market adjustment allowance used to be $500 so an improvement here.
Housing Rental Assistance. Used to be reimbursment of basic rental cost in Singapore (nowhere else) of 80% of the rental sum up to a maximum of $3200. This sum now up to $3500 per month. So to get this benefit (taxable) your rental would be $4375. 80% of this sum is $3500.
Expatriation allowance used to be $1025 (married), now $1000.
Fixed Annual Wage Supplement. The 13th month salary, based on the basic figure – in this case $9000 – no other allowances are included. You may be interested in the following wording from the last Collective Agreement “This payment may however be reduced in exceptional circumstances. The amount to be reduced shall be negotiated between the Company and the Association”. Those of us who signed a “contract” not so long ago, with an agreed 6% per annum increment increase on the basic rate, saw this figure nearly halved in “negotiation” with no return to the original, despite return to normal economic conditions and record profits for the airline.
You may like to look at the numerous SIA threads which have recently appeared on Pprune.
May I ask you to post your calculation of $17,500 per month and I will be very pleased to comment.
Regards
Not seen the ad myself but one or two observations:
A340 basic used to be $8125 after training (just over $5000 while ground training) and B777 somewhat behind this figure – now rationalised to $9000 for both. For simplicity consider the A340, which attracted a Provident Fund payment for employees, of 10% of $8125, or $812.5, total $8937.5. As you do not mention this fund as an advertised benefit in the new “improved” package, there appears to have only been a pay raise of $62.5 per month when comparing the two packages.
In Flight Allowance (IFA) used to be $31/hr for the B744 and A340, lower for the B777. It’s now $30/hr, so those boys are really making progress.
Transport Allowance per round trip used to be $24.10 (taxable). If you lived in the west where most of the schools are, round trip taxi cost to Changi is approximately $41.00. If you live in the Bayshore area, $26.00 may just do it but not after tax! The new rate seems to fall seriously short of addressing these realities.
Market adjustment allowance used to be $500 so an improvement here.
Housing Rental Assistance. Used to be reimbursment of basic rental cost in Singapore (nowhere else) of 80% of the rental sum up to a maximum of $3200. This sum now up to $3500 per month. So to get this benefit (taxable) your rental would be $4375. 80% of this sum is $3500.
Expatriation allowance used to be $1025 (married), now $1000.
Fixed Annual Wage Supplement. The 13th month salary, based on the basic figure – in this case $9000 – no other allowances are included. You may be interested in the following wording from the last Collective Agreement “This payment may however be reduced in exceptional circumstances. The amount to be reduced shall be negotiated between the Company and the Association”. Those of us who signed a “contract” not so long ago, with an agreed 6% per annum increment increase on the basic rate, saw this figure nearly halved in “negotiation” with no return to the original, despite return to normal economic conditions and record profits for the airline.
You may like to look at the numerous SIA threads which have recently appeared on Pprune.
May I ask you to post your calculation of $17,500 per month and I will be very pleased to comment.
Regards
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Tosh, thanks for those views. My calculations went as follows...(all Sing Dollars)
Basic salary...........$9,000
Flt Pay ($41/hr).......$1,700 (500hrs/yr??)
Meal All...............$1,600
Transport All..........$--100
'Market Adjust'(?).....$--600
Expat Allowance........$1,000 (if married)
House Rental All.......$3,480
Total..............$17,480pm
I have not included the 'bonus' or '13th month'.
I have no idea what the tax cut is but I think it's around 15%, is that right?
I'd live in Malaysia rather than Singapore, if thats allowed. Tosh maybe you can advise whether that's possible, and would the housing allowance still be paid?
If you take the above figure and convert it to Euros it comes out at 11,187 euros at todays rate.
There is no mention of EPF in the ad, and I understand it's no longer required under Singapore law.
Tosh, can you tell me what routes the A340 flys?
CaptChaos, the current issue of Flight (Paris Airshow special) has the details on the back page, but you can get th application form from the local SIA office, or email: [email protected]
Basic salary...........$9,000
Flt Pay ($41/hr).......$1,700 (500hrs/yr??)
Meal All...............$1,600
Transport All..........$--100
'Market Adjust'(?).....$--600
Expat Allowance........$1,000 (if married)
House Rental All.......$3,480
Total..............$17,480pm
I have not included the 'bonus' or '13th month'.
I have no idea what the tax cut is but I think it's around 15%, is that right?
I'd live in Malaysia rather than Singapore, if thats allowed. Tosh maybe you can advise whether that's possible, and would the housing allowance still be paid?
If you take the above figure and convert it to Euros it comes out at 11,187 euros at todays rate.
There is no mention of EPF in the ad, and I understand it's no longer required under Singapore law.
Tosh, can you tell me what routes the A340 flys?
CaptChaos, the current issue of Flight (Paris Airshow special) has the details on the back page, but you can get th application form from the local SIA office, or email: [email protected]
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Basic salary...........$9,000
Flt Pay ($41/hr).......$2,560 (750hrs/yr)
Meal All...............$1,600
Transport All..........$--140
'Market Adjust'(?).....$--600
Expat Allowance........$1,000 (if married)
House Rental All.......$-875 (If you take a place for $4375 to get the max housing allowance of $3500 you will end up having this amount deducted from monthly salary)
Total for month…….$14025
Your Tax Bill would be something around $36,000 ($3,000 per month) so your net monthly would be approx £11,025, which = Euro7050, Usd 6057.
You would have the extra month’s $9,000 plus whatever bonus is on offer (work on about 3.5-4 months bonus).
Cannot live in Malaysia and get housing allowance.
Yes it looks like they have quietly dropped the Provident Fund.
A340 currently fly YVR/SFO via ICN plus ATH/FCO/CPH in Europe – but losing these to B777 soon. Various regional destinations that do not really make any money.
Good luck
Basic salary...........$9,000
Flt Pay ($41/hr).......$2,560 (750hrs/yr)
Meal All...............$1,600
Transport All..........$--140
'Market Adjust'(?).....$--600
Expat Allowance........$1,000 (if married)
House Rental All.......$-875 (If you take a place for $4375 to get the max housing allowance of $3500 you will end up having this amount deducted from monthly salary)
Total for month…….$14025
Your Tax Bill would be something around $36,000 ($3,000 per month) so your net monthly would be approx £11,025, which = Euro7050, Usd 6057.
You would have the extra month’s $9,000 plus whatever bonus is on offer (work on about 3.5-4 months bonus).
Cannot live in Malaysia and get housing allowance.
Yes it looks like they have quietly dropped the Provident Fund.
A340 currently fly YVR/SFO via ICN plus ATH/FCO/CPH in Europe – but losing these to B777 soon. Various regional destinations that do not really make any money.
Good luck
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Housing allowance only paid for Singapore rentals. This allowance is not paid to you but directly to the landlord. You then pay the additional rental seperately. The only thing exempt tax are the meal allowances, everything else the Government takes its cut including staff travel. Work on about 20-25% tax sometime more, no pension, and slowly but surely deterioting conditions of service. The service increment is a case in point.
The grass is not always greener.
The grass is not always greener.
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CaptSensible--
I worked at SIA twenty years ago when the salaries were much lower. But then, so were prices. One thing that has clearly not changed is the propensity of the Singapore government to tax anything that moves.
If I had to do it over again, I still would have joined SIA as I found the flying quite enjoyable and the other crew members (F/O's, F/E's) easy to work with. After looking at my bankbook however, decided to move on to a tax-free position elsewhere.
I worked at SIA twenty years ago when the salaries were much lower. But then, so were prices. One thing that has clearly not changed is the propensity of the Singapore government to tax anything that moves.
If I had to do it over again, I still would have joined SIA as I found the flying quite enjoyable and the other crew members (F/O's, F/E's) easy to work with. After looking at my bankbook however, decided to move on to a tax-free position elsewhere.
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Sure do - S$350,000 bond/S$45,000 bank gurantee. The latter you up-front into a Singapore bank on minimal interest for five years and also pay the bank S$1000-1500 per annum for the effort of providing the bg.
Not sure whether they are getting too many eccentric millionaires to apply at present!
Sure do - S$350,000 bond/S$45,000 bank gurantee. The latter you up-front into a Singapore bank on minimal interest for five years and also pay the bank S$1000-1500 per annum for the effort of providing the bg.
Not sure whether they are getting too many eccentric millionaires to apply at present!
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A340's fly to following destinations:
Europe: Athens, Rome, Copenhagen
N.America: SFO, Vancouver
Australia/NZ: Perth, Adelaide, Christchurch
Asia: Beijing, Bangkok, Jakarta, Bali, KL, Seoul, Manila, Dhaka, Lahore, Karachi
Middle East: Jeddah
Some of the destinations above will eventually be passed on to the 777. However, for the present, owing to shortage of crew, and ETOPS issues, most destinations will remain for a while. The future however, rests undeniably with the 777.
As for the misinformation rampant in this forum, may i offer some facts:
1. IFA for 777/340/744 is now S$41 per scheduled hour, an increase from S$31 previously. Penalty payments of 1.5 times apply for scheduled hours between 70 and 85 hours, and 4 times for hours above 85, in a calender month.
2. Profit sharing bonus is significant. This year is exceptionally astronomical at 6.04 months bonus (maybe more when the dust settles), but plan on 3-4 months. This is of course over and above the "13th month" compulsory bonus. The latter is rarely altered as in recessions/economic downturns.
3. S$4500 will fetch you a decent 3 bedroom condo at a nice locality (eg. Tg Rhu) facing the sea, or with city views. The property market is soft for now, and rents are proportionately lower.
4. You may want to factor in the cost of a car, which is almost prohibitively expensive if you haven't acquired the very high threshold of pain most locals are accustomed to. A new 1.6 litre Japanese car will set you back at least S$80,000. Secondhand cars range from S$15,000 upwards.
Taxis are relatively cheap. Plan on spending S$400-500 pm for transportation needs if not buying a car.
5. Working conditions are a mixed bag. While the long drawn out spat with management over the Collective Agreement has ended, bad feelings remain. However, a new management team is slowly taking over, and has begun taking proactive steps in improving some aspects of what affects us. For example, expats are now being incuded in invitations to management positions, and their input on various issues such as ops/safety etc is increasingly being included.
On the operational side, you fly hassle free to reasonably nice destinations with reasonably nice crew, and slip at resonably nice hotels. What more can i say?
6. Tax on first S$150,000 is S$23,775, and on next S$50,000 is at 23%. For S$200,000 is S$35,275. This is for the present. From next year, tax is being lowered by 3-5%. Expats are taxed on pretty much everything, except meal allowances.
7. Plan on a service increment of 3-5%. 4% is a nice number to work on, although sadly, a miserable pittance. However, one could do worse...
Hope i have answered some of your queries.
[This message has been edited by locgreen (edited 16 June 2001).]
[This message has been edited by locgreen (edited 16 June 2001).]
Europe: Athens, Rome, Copenhagen
N.America: SFO, Vancouver
Australia/NZ: Perth, Adelaide, Christchurch
Asia: Beijing, Bangkok, Jakarta, Bali, KL, Seoul, Manila, Dhaka, Lahore, Karachi
Middle East: Jeddah
Some of the destinations above will eventually be passed on to the 777. However, for the present, owing to shortage of crew, and ETOPS issues, most destinations will remain for a while. The future however, rests undeniably with the 777.
As for the misinformation rampant in this forum, may i offer some facts:
1. IFA for 777/340/744 is now S$41 per scheduled hour, an increase from S$31 previously. Penalty payments of 1.5 times apply for scheduled hours between 70 and 85 hours, and 4 times for hours above 85, in a calender month.
2. Profit sharing bonus is significant. This year is exceptionally astronomical at 6.04 months bonus (maybe more when the dust settles), but plan on 3-4 months. This is of course over and above the "13th month" compulsory bonus. The latter is rarely altered as in recessions/economic downturns.
3. S$4500 will fetch you a decent 3 bedroom condo at a nice locality (eg. Tg Rhu) facing the sea, or with city views. The property market is soft for now, and rents are proportionately lower.
4. You may want to factor in the cost of a car, which is almost prohibitively expensive if you haven't acquired the very high threshold of pain most locals are accustomed to. A new 1.6 litre Japanese car will set you back at least S$80,000. Secondhand cars range from S$15,000 upwards.
Taxis are relatively cheap. Plan on spending S$400-500 pm for transportation needs if not buying a car.
5. Working conditions are a mixed bag. While the long drawn out spat with management over the Collective Agreement has ended, bad feelings remain. However, a new management team is slowly taking over, and has begun taking proactive steps in improving some aspects of what affects us. For example, expats are now being incuded in invitations to management positions, and their input on various issues such as ops/safety etc is increasingly being included.
On the operational side, you fly hassle free to reasonably nice destinations with reasonably nice crew, and slip at resonably nice hotels. What more can i say?
6. Tax on first S$150,000 is S$23,775, and on next S$50,000 is at 23%. For S$200,000 is S$35,275. This is for the present. From next year, tax is being lowered by 3-5%. Expats are taxed on pretty much everything, except meal allowances.
7. Plan on a service increment of 3-5%. 4% is a nice number to work on, although sadly, a miserable pittance. However, one could do worse...
Hope i have answered some of your queries.
[This message has been edited by locgreen (edited 16 June 2001).]
[This message has been edited by locgreen (edited 16 June 2001).]
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Locgreen thanks for the further info.
On the subject of that bond...if already A320/1 rated and current would they still expect me to bond for the full A340 conversion cost? All that's needed (as far as I'm told) is a short 'differences course'. Do they insist you do the full conversion and pay for it through bonding? If so, what about the chance of the B747 instead? I'd at least get a new rating for my money. I have previous 747 classic time.
On the subject of that bond...if already A320/1 rated and current would they still expect me to bond for the full A340 conversion cost? All that's needed (as far as I'm told) is a short 'differences course'. Do they insist you do the full conversion and pay for it through bonding? If so, what about the chance of the B747 instead? I'd at least get a new rating for my money. I have previous 747 classic time.
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You can state a preference for an aircraft but in the end the Company will decide which fleet you are attached to. An A320 rating does not equate to an A340 rating in SIA so expect to be bonded and cough up a bank guarantee. Despite your B747 Classic time, again a bond and bank guarantee would be required for the B747-400. NOTE: Without a type rating the B747-400 is only available on Local Terms and not Expat Terms. A340/B777/A310 available on Local or Expat Terms.
If you are presently on the A320 I would think the Company would most likely point you towards the A310. Not logical I know, but logical in their eyes to obtain SIA widebody and regional experience.
Good Luck.
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If you are presently on the A320 I would think the Company would most likely point you towards the A310. Not logical I know, but logical in their eyes to obtain SIA widebody and regional experience.
Good Luck.
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