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Tosh26,
Just a little correction to your post :
Bonus due to employees should be 6.26 months according to the agreed profit sharing agreement.
As for the management announced bonus payment, it will total 6.04 months. Of which 3.54 months will be paid in early July and 1.0 in early December. The other 1.5 months has suddenly achieved an "ex-gratia" status and will be paid to the employees if and when they agree to effectively waive 0.22 months of bonus.
By the way, if the management ram this through, the profit sharing agreement and all other agreement between SIA and its employees will eventually be ..... (just use your imagination and fill in the blanks).
As for the recruitment of new pilots, worry not, the bar will continued to be lowered and then some more to get enough bodies to man the flights.
As for us mere mortals, we will just have to continue to do what the management ask of us, and then some more
without question!
I agree with you view on crew morale and ripping apart a slowly healing wound.
Just a little correction to your post :
Bonus due to employees should be 6.26 months according to the agreed profit sharing agreement.
As for the management announced bonus payment, it will total 6.04 months. Of which 3.54 months will be paid in early July and 1.0 in early December. The other 1.5 months has suddenly achieved an "ex-gratia" status and will be paid to the employees if and when they agree to effectively waive 0.22 months of bonus.
By the way, if the management ram this through, the profit sharing agreement and all other agreement between SIA and its employees will eventually be ..... (just use your imagination and fill in the blanks).
As for the recruitment of new pilots, worry not, the bar will continued to be lowered and then some more to get enough bodies to man the flights.
As for us mere mortals, we will just have to continue to do what the management ask of us, and then some more
without question!I agree with you view on crew morale and ripping apart a slowly healing wound.
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Thanks for the correction. I've rechecked my papers and you are absolutely right about the agreed bonus being 6.26 months basic salary and that we are being asked (forced?) to waive 0.22 months bonus under the arbitary and coercive proposal now suddenly presented. Sorry for the error.
Good luck - and to the rest of us!
[This message has been edited by Tosh26 (edited 29 June 2001).]
Thanks for the correction. I've rechecked my papers and you are absolutely right about the agreed bonus being 6.26 months basic salary and that we are being asked (forced?) to waive 0.22 months bonus under the arbitary and coercive proposal now suddenly presented. Sorry for the error.
Good luck - and to the rest of us!
[This message has been edited by Tosh26 (edited 29 June 2001).]
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I see not much has changed since I departed SQ in 1980....low salaries, high standard of living (but many cannot afford same, especially with children), worked to death with little time off and vacations deferred....well the list goes on....and on.
For the retired type from a previous airline, not so bad, except for the "work to death" part.
The revolving door continues.
For the retired type from a previous airline, not so bad, except for the "work to death" part.
The revolving door continues.
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Tosh26, it was rumoured that once the collective agreement had been sorted out and the profit sharing distributed that there was to be a number of guys set to depart to other outfits....has this happened yet and/or in your opinion is it a load of bull?
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Dear Tosh,
I have been following all threads concerning SIA for a long time. It seems that some more favorable winds are blowing, so on behalf of this I decided to apply.
As far as you know how are the recruitment process going, I mean, they are interviewing a lot, are the same people in charge of this etc.
Any clues would be very wellcome.
Best regards
I have been following all threads concerning SIA for a long time. It seems that some more favorable winds are blowing, so on behalf of this I decided to apply.
As far as you know how are the recruitment process going, I mean, they are interviewing a lot, are the same people in charge of this etc.
Any clues would be very wellcome.
Best regards
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I’m not too sure that a more favourable wind is blowing through the part of SIA that deals with salaries and benefits – please see recent posts on the upcoming difficulties over the 2000/1 bonus payments plus numerous previous mentions that although basic salaries have improved for new joiners, these improvements roughly equal Provident Fund (PF) contributions which SIA will continue to make for incumbents, for the time being but which will quietly not be made for new joiners – effectively the cash saved on PF contributions by SIA is being used to make salaries more attractive to pilots considering an application. So if you do come to SIA, expect an environment of constant downward pressure on your total remuneration and benefits.
A more favourable wind is, however, blowing through the flight ops department, where a much more mature attitude towards Flight Safety is in evidence. I think we are all very pleased by this turn of events.
I will try to find out more for you on how the recruiting process is going.
Best regards
I’m not too sure that a more favourable wind is blowing through the part of SIA that deals with salaries and benefits – please see recent posts on the upcoming difficulties over the 2000/1 bonus payments plus numerous previous mentions that although basic salaries have improved for new joiners, these improvements roughly equal Provident Fund (PF) contributions which SIA will continue to make for incumbents, for the time being but which will quietly not be made for new joiners – effectively the cash saved on PF contributions by SIA is being used to make salaries more attractive to pilots considering an application. So if you do come to SIA, expect an environment of constant downward pressure on your total remuneration and benefits.
A more favourable wind is, however, blowing through the flight ops department, where a much more mature attitude towards Flight Safety is in evidence. I think we are all very pleased by this turn of events.
I will try to find out more for you on how the recruiting process is going.
Best regards
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Two airlines,same management attitude towards crews contracts,fuel loads,CRM, and HR management,lots of incidents covered up, no interest in pro active flight safety,
tons of management generated stress, two fatal crashes,lots of dead.
A real new ops. interest in safety?
Give us a F.....g break, read the PCE memo and take a mid career DLR test.!!!
Cathay management..IMHO. You are well on track for all of the above.
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We will do the drill according to the amendments to the amendments I er think?
tons of management generated stress, two fatal crashes,lots of dead.
A real new ops. interest in safety?
Give us a F.....g break, read the PCE memo and take a mid career DLR test.!!!
Cathay management..IMHO. You are well on track for all of the above.
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We will do the drill according to the amendments to the amendments I er think?
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Yes a lot of people I speak with feel exactly as you do - they are also "on the middle of the road" when second chance recovery from a bad decision is difficult.
For which reason they seem to be unwilling to consider SIA and are waiting to see if things are going to improve dramatically before even considering an application.
Best regards
Yes a lot of people I speak with feel exactly as you do - they are also "on the middle of the road" when second chance recovery from a bad decision is difficult.
For which reason they seem to be unwilling to consider SIA and are waiting to see if things are going to improve dramatically before even considering an application.
Best regards
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For those contemplating joining SIA just a few titbits.
About 5 years ago all Pilots enjoyed the CPF scheme whereby 20% of basic salary was put in fund by SIA and also employees which was taxfree.
They then dropped this and you joined a PF scheme where SIA put in 10% and nothing by employee which is taxed when you withdraw from scheme when you leave. The investment record of this fund is nothing short of scandalous!
Now all new joiners are not even being offered this so although basic salary has increased by 1000 + 100 on MAA totalling 1100$ per month this has been totally negated by withdrawal of PF so the only increase is the extra $10 per hour say $8000 pa less 24% tax!!!
The recent unilateral bonus as announced by SIA should clearly indicate to all and sundry that this is a company that is totally untrustworthy. Bear this in mind at your peril!!
Also bear in mind that this could well be the last year of bonus being paid at all as no doubt SIA are getting ready to plead poverty once more with the downturn in business. Perhaps they should explain to everyone why they wasted so much money on Virgin and Air New Zealand where quite clearly they have been taken for a big ride!!
About 5 years ago all Pilots enjoyed the CPF scheme whereby 20% of basic salary was put in fund by SIA and also employees which was taxfree.
They then dropped this and you joined a PF scheme where SIA put in 10% and nothing by employee which is taxed when you withdraw from scheme when you leave. The investment record of this fund is nothing short of scandalous!
Now all new joiners are not even being offered this so although basic salary has increased by 1000 + 100 on MAA totalling 1100$ per month this has been totally negated by withdrawal of PF so the only increase is the extra $10 per hour say $8000 pa less 24% tax!!!
The recent unilateral bonus as announced by SIA should clearly indicate to all and sundry that this is a company that is totally untrustworthy. Bear this in mind at your peril!!
Also bear in mind that this could well be the last year of bonus being paid at all as no doubt SIA are getting ready to plead poverty once more with the downturn in business. Perhaps they should explain to everyone why they wasted so much money on Virgin and Air New Zealand where quite clearly they have been taken for a big ride!!
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From Straits Times 12 July 2001
Sing Dollar Slides Further
The Singapore dollar, at an 11-year low against its US counterpart, extended its losses on concern that a drop in Singapore’s exports will curb demand for the currency.
The Sing dollar fell 0.1 per cent to $1.8363 against the US dollar.
The currency dropped by as much as 0.5 per cent in the day to its weakest level since June 29, 1990.
“What we’re going to see is probably a protracted period of currency weakness with the Sing dollar probably trading up to $1.90 level,” said regional economist Daniel Lian of Morgan Stanley Dean Witter.
- Bloomberg News
In light of the above gloomy outlook, do you think that your suggestion of a “quick fix” by SIA management is now likely, using the Market Adjustment Allowance (MAA) mechanism to increase salaries and so encourage new ex-pat pilots to join SIA, despite their salaries already being whittled away before they even arrive?
Do you also think it possible that the management might also return our 6% annual increment, stolen from us during another, previous, unilaterally imposed salary pogrom, or will they continue to compound this felony with the latest arbitrarily imposed, unilateral reduction in agreed annual bonus?
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From Straits Times 12 July 2001
Sing Dollar Slides Further
The Singapore dollar, at an 11-year low against its US counterpart, extended its losses on concern that a drop in Singapore’s exports will curb demand for the currency.
The Sing dollar fell 0.1 per cent to $1.8363 against the US dollar.
The currency dropped by as much as 0.5 per cent in the day to its weakest level since June 29, 1990.
“What we’re going to see is probably a protracted period of currency weakness with the Sing dollar probably trading up to $1.90 level,” said regional economist Daniel Lian of Morgan Stanley Dean Witter.
- Bloomberg News
In light of the above gloomy outlook, do you think that your suggestion of a “quick fix” by SIA management is now likely, using the Market Adjustment Allowance (MAA) mechanism to increase salaries and so encourage new ex-pat pilots to join SIA, despite their salaries already being whittled away before they even arrive?
Do you also think it possible that the management might also return our 6% annual increment, stolen from us during another, previous, unilaterally imposed salary pogrom, or will they continue to compound this felony with the latest arbitrarily imposed, unilateral reduction in agreed annual bonus?
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Seems to me SQ still juggle Sing nickles and Sing dimes thinking itll attract pilots. When the salarys quoted change from "S$9000" to "US$9000" and tax free they might then get some serious applications.
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L1011 asked a while back about the Brisbane base, but I didn't see a reply. Does any one have any details. Is it up and running ? How much time off at home ? Is the flying purely north/south, or will you do east/west stuff too ? would appreciate any info. 
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The B777 Brisbane base has been filled with type rated SIA pilots who've bailed out of Singapore, to return home to Oz.
We understand that they go to a regime of 1000 hrs per annum/100 hrs per 28 days - this deal is outside the Singapore CA! Oz tax is 48%.
As yet no one knows what the rostering people have in mind but the betting is that time at home enjoying the sun will be limited.
The B777 Brisbane base has been filled with type rated SIA pilots who've bailed out of Singapore, to return home to Oz.
We understand that they go to a regime of 1000 hrs per annum/100 hrs per 28 days - this deal is outside the Singapore CA! Oz tax is 48%.
As yet no one knows what the rostering people have in mind but the betting is that time at home enjoying the sun will be limited.
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highcirrus...An MAA revision still hinges upon the response to their recruitment efforts. While they have not been very successful for SIN base, i understand the response for overseas bases in PER and BNE has been favourable...especially with 737 upgraders. Also, the mess at Cathay has suddenly presented them with an unexpected potential source of pilots.
Notwithstanding all this, pressure mounts on them to do something significant to improve their recruitment process, and i think an MAA increase would be an obvious way out...at least to you and I. However, my optimism and feeble faith in the few objective heads at SQ management is fast fading, given their rubbish antics regarding the 'ex-gratia' bonus. By that same token, and given the rapidly deteriorating business sentiment in Singapore, i think it is unlikely that we'll see a return to the 6% days of yore vis-a-vis service increment.
Regards
Notwithstanding all this, pressure mounts on them to do something significant to improve their recruitment process, and i think an MAA increase would be an obvious way out...at least to you and I. However, my optimism and feeble faith in the few objective heads at SQ management is fast fading, given their rubbish antics regarding the 'ex-gratia' bonus. By that same token, and given the rapidly deteriorating business sentiment in Singapore, i think it is unlikely that we'll see a return to the 6% days of yore vis-a-vis service increment.
Regards
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Tosh26...i refer to your post on June 26. I was away on leave, hence the delayed reply.
I am constantly astounded at the brazen attempts of this management bunch to constantly change the goalposts during the game. They have utter disregard for crew morale, and might i emphasise, INTEGRITY. The results from the Safety Survey released yesterday is telling, as far as morale amongst us is concerned.
I reckon this 'ex-gratia' rubbish is merely an attempt to gauge our response, whilst also setting the tone for the new SI/PS negotiations due to commence soon. They are also trying to set a precedent, for future IPO's, the largest likely to be that of SIA Cargo. It is VITAL, that all SIA Unions remain united in the face of this latest affront to our common senses. On that note, i expect the courts to rule in our favour, as we have a clearly spelt out written agreement (if that means something here), and a precedent of sorts...the disposal of our stake in Delta and Swissair a couple of years ago, and the $110 million proceeds being credited to our profits.
Regards.
I am constantly astounded at the brazen attempts of this management bunch to constantly change the goalposts during the game. They have utter disregard for crew morale, and might i emphasise, INTEGRITY. The results from the Safety Survey released yesterday is telling, as far as morale amongst us is concerned.
I reckon this 'ex-gratia' rubbish is merely an attempt to gauge our response, whilst also setting the tone for the new SI/PS negotiations due to commence soon. They are also trying to set a precedent, for future IPO's, the largest likely to be that of SIA Cargo. It is VITAL, that all SIA Unions remain united in the face of this latest affront to our common senses. On that note, i expect the courts to rule in our favour, as we have a clearly spelt out written agreement (if that means something here), and a precedent of sorts...the disposal of our stake in Delta and Swissair a couple of years ago, and the $110 million proceeds being credited to our profits.
Regards.