Eighteen Months of Hell!!!
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MP, (unfortunate abbreviation!). .99% of my collegues, and no doubt yours, are/were excellent collegues, but theres always one isn't there?. .In the "good old days" such people, be they misfits, unsafe, or whatever, were eventually "failed" on their six monthly check. It seems that in todays environment airline management are thinking more about losing the considerable investment they have made in a particular pilots training than anything else. Very sad. It is another indicator of the fact that flying is no longer the "gentlemans" profession that it once was. . .All the best for your retirement BTW!
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MP,. .impossible, how the story got out of hand!. .I feel really embarassed, becaus a woman's action like the one you describe does not really help the co-ed flying.. .. .Not all women are equal, I hope you have not lost trust in us.. .. .Enjoy as much as you dare!. .Cheers
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You've done your bit with your last airline, MP.. .. .Enjoy retirement, and submit your dreadful account of these experiences to a place where it may be acted upon. Then relax.... .. .Good luck.
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Huh,. .. .Guys and gals we earn the bigger dollars because we know right from wrong. You either know how to operate the aircraft in question or you don't. You know the law or you don't. If the answer is you Don't know you should not be the Captain. If you are the Captain and someone is causing you so much distress maybe YOU are doing it wrong and it is time to back out of it gracefully.. . A Captain should take this type of treatment in his/her stride deal with it and still command a safe and efficiant operation, regardless of how difficult the day was for the individual to achieve it. ---- that is why you where promoted to the position of Captain! nothing to do with how long you'd been in the industry.
Happy retirement, MP. While it is regrettable to end a career under such a circumstance, you have the satisfaction of knowing you handled a trying situation with grace and dignity. Bravo.
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Pigboat, nicely said!. .. .Ellion, what is your post doing here? What happened was AFTER the tech log had been signed in.. .. .Uncle Pete, know the story but never new this............. .. . "When she came to her final line check with me she still needed more training and I refered her to the Training Manager who checked her out. She was furious at the time and threatened to get her own back one day. Guess what???". .. .You were spot on. She will chop the power at 50' at vma+5kts on the F100 and THUMP it in. Say anything at choxs on and the waterworks flow. Will not accept constructive criticsm. Still needs more training!. .. .Jet A1 smells crap in the morning, ENJOY the smell of bacon and coffee in the morning Pete!
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MP,. .. .Enjoy the retirement, and I feel for you with what you've had to enfdure for such long time.. .. .I know nothing of this story other that what I've read here, but one thing stands out unanswered (and perhaps I need to re read your original post more carefully if it's there), but why did they keep her on?. .. .PS
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In what other job are you locked into a small dark room with another person for hours on end ?.. .. .This sort of thing is bound to happen sooner or later and requires fast and WISE managment action.. .As most of the pilot managment in the UK are ex-RAF and having left the service some time ago they are not best trained to deal with problems with females ,add to this a large heap of political correctness from the HR department and inactivity may sound like an atractive option.. .. .As we can see from MP,s problems this is not an option , fortunatly all of the female pilots i know hate anyone that plays the "girlie" card and are well up to the job and it is now time for some of the more traditional airline managements to get up to speed.
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Darn right A and C, the last thing any woman pilot who has worked hard to make it in aviation needs someone who perpetuates the myth that women pilots depend more on sexual equality legislation than ability. . .. .But the funny thing is that I was reading this (hope you have a great retirement MP despite the circumstances) and couldn't help thinking that it kinda looks like MP himself has been a victim of sexual discrimination (on top of anything else). I mean how fast would they have acted if it had been the other way around?. .. .Just a thought...
Hi MP. .. .Sorry to read this... I have a question to raise here.. .. .What would have happened if the roles were reversed? Do you think you would have been treated any differently if she had taken the same course of action against you?. .. .From personal experience I have found that the 'PC' brigade nearly always come down in favour of the female. Any comments PPruNers?
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MP,. .. .Is it correct that the lady in question had used the same "modus operandi" twice previously ?. .. .If so were the company aware? Were adequate measures in place to ensure the "safety" of male colleagues ?
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A staggering amount of support for you Pete. Nevertheless someone has to act for the defence. So here goes.. .. .Your argument is 'sexual harrassment' against you. Your story only mentions the following:. .. . </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica"> She also insisted on using a clip board that had pictures of partially clad males in clear view. . .. .she remarked to at least five line captains that she flew with,... " confidence has gone as a result of me staring at her breasts instead of training her". Then ... admitted... she had made up the entire story and that it was malicious, false and entirely without any foundation. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">Apart from the obvious advice not to use without any foundation in a story about breasts, I'm struggling to see what prompted such a severe response from you especially as it very sadly led you to leave flying.. .. .In retrospect do you wish you had played your cards differently?
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Hellow everyone,. .. .I'm Mrs Pete,. .. .Just a few words while he's painting the stairs and I can get on line.. .. .Thank you all for your kind words and encouragement. I didn't realise just how many friend Pete had until this unfortunate incident took place.. .. .God Bless you all.. .. .GG <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="smile.gif" />
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A & C. .. . </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">As most of the pilot managment in the UK are ex-RAF and having left the service some time ago they are not best trained to deal with problems with females ,add to this a large heap of political correctness from the HR department and inactivity may sound like an atractive option.. . </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">In this case the management concerned were all "Warm and Fuzzy" civilians, not an uncouth "soldier" to be seen. Had there been any ex-service managers involved I don't think they would have made the basic procedural errors which seem to have occurred. Remember that all servicemen have a basic grounding in disciplinary systems and should understand the vital importance of correct procedure. Anyway I think an ex-service manager would have known exactly what to do about a matter of integrity, for that is the root of the matter.. .. .RAGBAG. . . . <small>[ 08 March 2002, 13:03: Message edited by: RAGBAG ]</small>