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Old 24th Dec 2020, 19:30
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Does anyone know what is the impact of Brexit on licensing?
Does anyone with EASA licences now need to get UK CAA equivalents in addition in order to be able work in UK?
If so, I guess it means jumping through double hoops to maintain all TRs, plus TRI, TRE etc. Kill me now!
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Old 24th Dec 2020, 19:34
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They’ve spent 5 years working out what to do with a fishing license. I’m sure pilot licensing is next
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Old 24th Dec 2020, 19:46
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https://publicapps.caa.co.uk/modalap...etail&id=10006

is the validation document to be allowed to operate G reg ac with EASA licence. Valid til end ‘22
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Old 24th Dec 2020, 21:04
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Easa pilots can operate G reg machines for 2 years under the agreement before this deal. this deal means anybody's guess at this time. ( 6 hours after the announcement)
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Old 25th Dec 2020, 10:30
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Ps. This validation document effectively becomes part of your non Uk licence and must be carried in the same way as your licence.
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Old 25th Dec 2020, 20:29
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All ratings and authorisations continue with the validation document as i understand it (according to the CAA webinar) inc FE TRE TRI etc.

the problem may be the other way, as soon as you need to revalidate a EASA rating, a U.K. FE TRE can’t do it as I understand it; unless the Brexit deal changes that.

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Old 25th Dec 2020, 21:15
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SFIM. The problem is indeed the other way around, which is why I am changing SOLI to EASA so that with my TRE hat on I will be able to sign EASA licences.
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Old 26th Dec 2020, 10:02
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Originally Posted by deltahotel View Post
https://publicapps.caa.co.uk/modalap...etail&id=10006

is the validation document to be allowed to operate G reg ac with EASA licence. Valid til end ‘22
Many thanks- that is at least a good step in the right direction!


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Old 26th Dec 2020, 10:41
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It is and hopefully this gives two years to work out mutual recognition for the future.
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Old 26th Dec 2020, 10:51
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I had a look at the 120ood page agreement posted on the Gov websitehttps://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/948104/EU-UK_Trade_and_Cooperation_Agreement_24.12.2020.pdf#page221

It looks to me as though our Licences will remain recognised by the EU states. Has anyone else come to this conclusion.

I believe both parties have to vote the agreement valid.
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Old 26th Dec 2020, 11:33
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I can’t read anything referring to licences and I think that mutual recognition may be for the future. For now it’s important to have a licence matching the ac Reg plus a validation if it’s EASA licence on UK ac. I’d be delighted to be wrong about all of this!
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Old 26th Dec 2020, 12:00
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Look at the definition of Certificate in the document. It includes licences. It then clearly states mutual recognition of each other’s certificates. in the agreement
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I can’t see a definition of Certificate in the Air Transport section?
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Old 26th Dec 2020, 12:25
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Look at AVSAF definitions and the the statement in AVSAF-4 in respect of certificates.
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Old 26th Dec 2020, 18:20
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Any one any information regarding the following?

Will it be possible to transfer a UK CAA license to an EASA License later down the road? Or does this mean all the EASA atpl exams have to be retaken?

Is it possible to have a UK CAA license and an EASA license valid at the same time? (As EASA will see the UK license as a 3rd country license?

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Old 26th Dec 2020, 18:54
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The answer to your first question is depending on the agreements that will be signed later on....
Brexit does not necessarily mean that the UK also will leave the EASA (agreements).....Maybe they will sign something to maintain EASA licenses (which i doubt)....

In my opinion, it will be no problem maintaining both licenses (UK and EASA) if there is no other agreement....

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Old 27th Dec 2020, 09:08
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The first objective of the title is to “enable the reciprocal acceptance, as provided for in the Annexes to this Title, of findings of compliance made and certificates issued by either Party’s competent authorities or approved organisations;”

It seems certificates includes licences.

The scope of the areas they may cooperate on include:

(a) airworthiness certificates and monitoring of civil aeronautical products;
(b) environmental certificates and testing of civil aeronautical products;
(c) design and production certificates and monitoring of design and production organisations;
(d) maintenance organisation certificates and monitoring of maintenance organisations;
(e) personnel licensing and training;
(f) flight simulator qualification evaluation;
(g) operation of aircraft;
(h) air traffic management and air navigation services; and
(i) other areas related to aviation safety subject to Annexes to the Convention.

One annexe exists so far involving airworthiness and environmental cooperation. There is no annexe published relating to personnel licensing and training but it looks set to be included down the line...

“The Specialised Committee on Aviation Safety may only adopt Annexes as referred to in paragraph 2 where each Party has established that the civil aviation standards, rules, practices, procedures and systems of the other Party ensure a sufficiently equivalent level of safety to permit acceptance of findings of compliance made and certificates issued by its competent authorities or by organisations approved by that competent authority”.... Shouldn’t be too tricky for personnel licensing if we remain largely aligned with Part-FCL.
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Old 27th Dec 2020, 10:32
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That’s also how I understood it. However, before the relevant annex is issue what happens in the short term.
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Old 27th Dec 2020, 10:42
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Originally Posted by DOUBLE BOGEY View Post
That’s also how I understood it. However, before the relevant annex is issue what happens in the short term.
I can only imagine that in the absence of published annexes for cooperation then the same arrangements which were in place prior to the deal being announced as published by the CAA in all of their recent communications. https://youtube.com/user/UKCAA

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In practical terms - I have just been informed by an EU based operator that they cannot offer me a contract until I have converted my (now) UK ATPL(H) to an EASA licence. I think many of us had assumed (never a good idea) that there would be some form of mutual recognition. It seems that recognition is only one-way at the moment and that EASA licensed pilots can fly G reg for another 2 years but UK pilots cannot fly EASA reg from 1st January (quelle surprise!). Maybe a I should try the European Court of Justice ;-)

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