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Old 8th Feb 2021, 11:33
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Originally Posted by hargreaves99 View Post
So the CAA allow a French/Dutch/German (etc) EASA CPL holder to fly a G-reg machine in the UK....yet a UK CAA CPL holder can't fly a foreign registered machine in Europe?

It sounds like the CAA has shafted us
Agreed! Absolutely shafted!!!!
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Old 8th Feb 2021, 18:07
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To find out who has shafted you, I think you probably need to look to the government rather than the CAA.
Although the webpage below has been withdrawn, the replacement hyperlink leads to a dead end (a metaphor if ever there was one). Anyway, the webpage below relates to what would happen to the aviation sector in the event of a no deal. Although we have a basic Trade and Cooperation Agreement, for the purposes of aviation regulation, it is pretty much like no deal, so the options are the same/ very similar. The end result is the same, it is the Government, not the CAA who have shafted you.
https://www.gov.uk/government/public...no-brexit-deal
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Old 14th Feb 2021, 10:21
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I may be missing something, the but the general validation for EU licence holders states ‘outside U.K. airspace’, where as the Swiss validation states ‘inside and outside U.K. airspace’. What is the mechanism to allow EU licence holders to fly within the U.K. ON G-REG aircraft?
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Old 14th Feb 2021, 13:52
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Originally Posted by highrpm View Post
I may be missing something, the but the general validation for EU licence holders states ‘outside U.K. airspace’, where as the Swiss validation states ‘inside and outside U.K. airspace’. What is the mechanism to allow EU licence holders to fly within the U.K. ON G-REG aircraft?
CAP1714 provides your answer (my emphasis) "All EASA certificates, approvals and licences in effect on 31 December 2020 for use in the UK aviation system and on UK-registered aircraft will be recognised by the CAA for up to two years."


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Old 14th Feb 2021, 14:15
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All we have to do is threaten to close our airspace to any EU operator transatlantic flights, unless they grant UK pilots the right to fly EU registered aircraft, as we are allowing EU pilots to fly UK registered craft.


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Old 14th Feb 2021, 16:11
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All we have to do is threaten to close our airspace to any EU operator transatlantic flights, unless they grant UK pilots the right to fly EU registered aircraft, as we are allowing EU pilots to fly UK registered craft.
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Old 15th Feb 2021, 00:06
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All we have to do is threaten to close our airspace to any EU operator transatlantic flights, unless they grant UK pilots the right to fly EU registered aircraft, as we are allowing EU pilots to fly UK registered craft.
I’m reminded of the expression “ it’s better to remain silent and allow people to think you are stupid, rather than open your mouth and dispel all doubts “

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Old 15th Feb 2021, 09:33
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Originally Posted by Uplinker View Post
All we have to do is threaten to close our airspace to any EU operator transatlantic flights, unless they grant UK pilots the right to fly EU registered aircraft, as we are allowing EU pilots to fly UK registered craft.
Are you perhaps familiar with the Chicago Convention's article 5?


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Old 15th Feb 2021, 09:36
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Originally Posted by hargreaves99 View Post
So the CAA allow a French/Dutch/German (etc) EASA CPL holder to fly a G-reg machine in the UK....yet a UK CAA CPL holder can't fly a foreign registered machine in Europe?

It sounds like the CAA has shafted us
Don't blame the CAA, they're a civil service with no real teeth or bargaining power.
Blame the current government who negotiated these terms, likely after being leaned on by UK operators who hire those foreign pilots.
The airlines simply wouldn't have wanted to sack them and have to replace them with UK pilots.
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Old 15th Feb 2021, 16:27
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Equivalence of pilot licences are not fair for the UK, in a sense I feel that UK has been abused by Europe.

It is possible to have a UK license validated by a EU state but only for a limited time and it seem that it is at the discretion of the member state (might need to read the document again) Also if you read the appendix there are some minimum required which mean that if you are a low time pilot you have no chance of getting a validation.

I wish I had spotted this before surely I would have gone for a transfer to EASA, in the end Brexit + COVID have put an end to my prospect of becoming a pilot, I am sure there would be others in the same boat.

Official EU 2020/723 documentation available here https://www.easa.europa.eu/document-...ion-eu-2020723
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Old 19th Feb 2021, 11:13
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Just received this from my AME.

This message is aimed at our many clents who operate now on non-UK, EASA licences.
Many of you will be aware that we have sought approval from several EASA states, but as of today, 19 Feb 2021, none of us are yet approved. If you need re-validation, or renewal of a non-UK medical in the near future you will need to find somewhere else to be seen.
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Old 19th Feb 2021, 11:22
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For anyone who it stuck for options - an extract from an email received from Gloster Aviation Medicals 03-Feb-21

“We are pleased to announce that Dr Emma Ramsay has now been approved to offer EASA medicals to pilots with EU licences. Her working days are Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday.


Please book online in the normal way and choose the EASA option, we have limited the choice to EASA Class 1 only. If you have an EU issued PPL/LAPL licence and require a EASA Class 2/LAPL then please call or email us prior to booking in.

The EASA medical certificates Emma will issue are from Malta, however they are valid for all EU licences.

You will need to complete page 1 of the following form: https://www.transport.gov.mt/TM-CAD-...ue-5.pdf-f6004
Please bring this to your appointment along with your EU licence and current EASA medical certificate.

EASA medicals are an additional £13. Emma is able to do a UK CAA medical at the same time as an EASA medical and in this case the UK CAA medical will be substantially discounted. We will update the ‘Fees’ page of our website in due course.”
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Old 19th Feb 2021, 11:29
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UK CAA 14 ATPL Exams Validity EASA

Anyone know what the validity of theoretical ATPL (A) exams completed with the UK CAA before the 31st December 2020 and validated by an EASA member state are?

I completed them in late 2019 and had them verified by the Irish IAA. I have a valid IAA PPL but I am being told by my ATO to check if those exams are still valid to use for CPL and IR training.


This is the most relevant information I have found on the EASA website, although I’m still confused as to what is accepted:

“The certificate of completion of the ATPL theoretical knowledge examination issued by the UK civil aviation authority before the end of the transition period is valid and recognised in the EU only until December 31, 2020In order to continue relying on that ATPL theoretical knowledge examination issued by the UK for the purpose of obtaining a Part-FCL license the student should transfer his/her training before January 1, 2021 to a training organisation under oversight of an EASA Member State or EASA. In such case the student should also apply to the competent licensing authority of an EASA Member State for a formal assessment of the further hours of training required. The new EU competent authority will be the one to whom the student will apply for the licence issue.”

Thanks in advance for any help, suggestions etc.!
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Old 1st Mar 2021, 18:34
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LICENSE COVERSION FROM EASA TO UK CAA

hi all,

Does anybody know if it is still possible to convert a non-UK EASA license to a UK CAA License? There is no information anywhere on the internet.
Will it be possible to keep both licenses valid at the same time?
Will the UK CAA accept a non-UK EASA Class 1 Medical?

So many questions, so little answers to find. Hope somebody can help out! Cheers!
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Old 2nd Mar 2021, 07:56
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I suppose the question is why would you want to do that now? As a non-UK EASA licence holder you are permitted to fly G reg aircraft in UK for up to two years before you need to hold a UK CAA licence.

Once you have been issued with the UK licence (a third country licence) you would be able to retain both. Just as you can hold any number of other licences (apart from another EASA member state).

I imagine that you would be required to have a UK AME medical examination although the UK seem to have relinquished everything else in terms of licensing so perhaps not.
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Old 2nd Mar 2021, 08:49
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I spoke to CAA in January as I did a SOLI transfer. They said in March they will issue instructions on SKYWISE on how to reclaim our UKCAANational licences for those of us who had to transfer out. We will then be able to hold both licences. The details of how medical and ratings can maintained I suspect will be made clear on the SKYWISE.
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Old 2nd Mar 2021, 11:51
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Originally Posted by FlyingFrl View Post
hi all,
There is no information anywhere on the internet.
Mmmmm.

https://info.caa.co.uk/uk-eu-transit...ercial-pilots/


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Old 11th Mar 2021, 13:13
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Someone has started a petition here https://www.change.org/p/european-av...ce-conversions (sorry if already posted) regarding licence conversion UK <==> EASA.

Not sure how much it can help but worth trying...
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Old 1st Apr 2021, 05:58
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The 1st of April is here. The date the CAA were to make available a process for EASA licence holders to apply for a UK licence. Does anyone see anything on the CAA website? Or is it an April Fools joke?
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Old 17th May 2021, 18:22
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So has anyone who didn’t SOLI their U.K. issued EASA licence pre Jan 1st found the most time efficient way (NAA) for gaining an EASA licence which sees any recognition whatsoever for a U.K. FCL licence?

is it 14 exams, medical and flight checks?


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