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That page and the documents have been there for a few weeks now. What I can't work out for sure is what has changed, as EASA sent out an 'update' notification this morning.
Does anyone know what has been amended or added? I think it might be the Working Arrangement with Switzerland.
Does anyone know what has been amended or added? I think it might be the Working Arrangement with Switzerland.
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I would say France, but i donīt have my licence there. Just saying from some feedback i got. seems that you can do a lot online and via the postal office. Fast replying and diligent to solve problems.
It is no longer possible to use the SOLI transfer process from the UK to another EASA state. This was only possible prior to 1st January 2021.
The EU-UK Trade and Cooperation deal does allow for reciprocity on certificates (read licences), however feedback at the moment indicates that EASA won't have anything in place this year. There's also no indication how difficult EASA will make the process or what additional requirements they may insist on e.g. resitting exams, etc.
Hargreaves99. I think like many of us there was an assumption that there would be some kind of reciprocity between UK and EU in terms of licensing but sadly that is not the case. The UK has agreed to allow EASA licences to be used to fly G-reg in UK but EASA will not now recognise UK licences that are now regraded as 'third country'. So as Variable Load said you are too late.
Also it appears that you cannot even attempt to convert your UK licence to an EASA licence as there is no such animal as a 'UK licence' at the moment until the CAA get around to issuing one. Meanwhile our EASA licensed friends can fly in UK for 2 years and then get a 'free' UK licence issued to them - and they get to keep their own EASA licence.
Also it appears that you cannot even attempt to convert your UK licence to an EASA licence as there is no such animal as a 'UK licence' at the moment until the CAA get around to issuing one. Meanwhile our EASA licensed friends can fly in UK for 2 years and then get a 'free' UK licence issued to them - and they get to keep their own EASA licence.
ok, so.... if I am offered a job in an EU country (flying an EU registered aircraft), and I have a UK issued EASA ATPL(H)...what do I do?
CAA website states this:
UK-issued Part-FCL licences will not be valid to operate EU-registered aircraft.
To continue operating EU-registered aircraft, you may seek a licence validation from any of the EASA Competent Authorities, which would be valid for aircraft registered in any EASA Member State.
We recommend that you speak to the relevant NAA as soon as possible about the process for achieving a validation of your UK issued Part-FCL licence.
Alternatively, you may undertake a State of Licence Issue transfer. This means transferring your licence from the UK to an EASA member state.
To transfer a Part FCL to a new State of Licence, a request to transfer your licence and a separate request to transfer your medical records must be submitted to the CAA. In addition, a request to become the applicant’s new State of Licence must be submitted to the receiving NAA.
An application cannot be progressed until all three of these requests along with supporting documentation and appropriate fees have been submitted.
CAA website states this:
UK-issued Part-FCL licences will not be valid to operate EU-registered aircraft.
To continue operating EU-registered aircraft, you may seek a licence validation from any of the EASA Competent Authorities, which would be valid for aircraft registered in any EASA Member State.
We recommend that you speak to the relevant NAA as soon as possible about the process for achieving a validation of your UK issued Part-FCL licence.
Alternatively, you may undertake a State of Licence Issue transfer. This means transferring your licence from the UK to an EASA member state.
To transfer a Part FCL to a new State of Licence, a request to transfer your licence and a separate request to transfer your medical records must be submitted to the CAA. In addition, a request to become the applicant’s new State of Licence must be submitted to the receiving NAA.
An application cannot be progressed until all three of these requests along with supporting documentation and appropriate fees have been submitted.
You will not be be eligible as you do not have an EASA licence anymore. So as you no longer have the right to work in EU and no longer have an EASA licence you will not be eligible - much the same as any Third Country citizen.
Not sure - it may have been good advice last year but I have been researching options and - although I have not tried every State - the ones that I have all sing from the same sheet - "You no longer have an EASA licence (from 01.01.21) so you cannot request SOLI transfer."
The UK EASA licence is now effectively only valid in UK or for flying G-reg outside UK. To operate anywhere else you will need a validation of your UK CAA licence (when you get one issued). A validation is normally an Air Law exam of the country you want to fly in plus a flight test plus a work visa. I suspect that it will not be quite that straightforward when dealing with our 'friends and partners in EU'.
The UK EASA licence is now effectively only valid in UK or for flying G-reg outside UK. To operate anywhere else you will need a validation of your UK CAA licence (when you get one issued). A validation is normally an Air Law exam of the country you want to fly in plus a flight test plus a work visa. I suspect that it will not be quite that straightforward when dealing with our 'friends and partners in EU'.
Well you are in limbo-land as you don't have an EASA licence so cannot convert with SOLI and you don't yet have a UK CAA licence. Go ahead and try but I think you will find out what I have just wasted 2 weeks of my life to discover. You still have an ICAO licence so can apply for validation of that in most countries outside EU but in terms of EU employment where you need an EASA licence, your UK EASA licence at the moment is worthless as it is neither EASA - nor UK as yet.
Theoretically yes. But the CAA do not expect to be issuing new UK CAA licences (dark blue covers I would imagine) until April 2021. So if you are not changing address or have a rating change then you will still have a non-existent UK EASA licence - that the EU do not recognise - and that you cannot use to validate your UK CAA with an EASA State.
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I've been hit by this as a commercial balloon pilot. We were all pushed into getting the shiny new UK EASA BPL(Balloon Pilots Licence) at the back end of 2019 as we were informed we could no longer fly commercially after April 2020. This we were told would future proof us and allow us to play in Europe too. For another 35 quid we could keep our old UK CPLs for use in countries that accept them(Such as Myanmar where I spend my winters).
Anyway, now my lovely piece of A4 is now just expensive bog roll as I live in Germany and fly the summers in France.
Luckily I still have a French national licence which I'm currently transferring. It expired in June last year as I'd let it lapse due to the new UK licence. I was told by our man on the inside not to even mention the fact that I have a UK EASA licence and just to provide proof that I'd completed the requirements for the revalidation of my French licence and they'd then issue me an EASA equivalent on the back of it...However I suspect even the very friendly and easy going staff in the DSAC office in Marignane will find something that doesn't line up...
Anyway, now my lovely piece of A4 is now just expensive bog roll as I live in Germany and fly the summers in France.
Luckily I still have a French national licence which I'm currently transferring. It expired in June last year as I'd let it lapse due to the new UK licence. I was told by our man on the inside not to even mention the fact that I have a UK EASA licence and just to provide proof that I'd completed the requirements for the revalidation of my French licence and they'd then issue me an EASA equivalent on the back of it...However I suspect even the very friendly and easy going staff in the DSAC office in Marignane will find something that doesn't line up...
Theoretically yes. But the CAA do not expect to be issuing new UK CAA licences (dark blue covers I would imagine) until April 2021. So if you are not changing address or have a rating change then you will still have a non-existent UK EASA licence - that the EU do not recognise - and that you cannot use to validate your UK CAA with an EASA State.
The lack of EASA reciprocity is nothing to do with the licence you hold, or the CAA. This is bound up in political dogma in the EU.
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The lack of EASA reciprocity is nothing to do with the licence you hold, or the CAA. This is bound up in political dogma in the EU.
So I would say that it is far more to do with the political dogma of the governing party in Westminster than it is the political dogma of the EU
If the Brexit EASA issue is caused by the inflexible and autocratic 'political dogma' of the UK then why do EASA licences pilots continue to be allowed to fly G-reg in UK? Surely EASA licences must be considered to be third country by UK?
I imagine if you are current, type-rated and experienced up the ying-yang it won't trouble European employers too much to do the paperwork to hire you.
Tightgit
If the Brexit EASA issue is caused by the inflexible and autocratic 'political dogma' of the UK then why do EASA licences pilots continue to be allowed to fly G-reg in UK? Surely EASA licences must be considered to be third country by UK?
I agree, EASA licences in the UK are now licences issued by a third country. As to why we’re still accepting them. I don’t kniw, perhaps UK gov were hoping that this little bit of largesse might earn the UK some reciprocity from the EU, perhaps it turns out we need them slightly more than they need us. However, UK chose to leave EASA ( and many other EU institutions such as Euratom and the EMA), because of the political dogma of the conservative party. That is the cause of UK licences no longer being EASA licences.
perhaps it turns out we need them slightly more than they need us.
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Well, I’ve certainly no intention of hiding my ‘credentials’ but they are irrelevant to this discussion. All I’ve done is write down the facts of where we are. The potential issues have been quite clearly highlighted by the CAA on their website since the withdrawal agreement was signed. I’m guessing that you were fairly happy to leave the EU, well this is what it meant. I don’t say that as a dig, or as an attempt to score some political point, I just can’t work out why you seem surprised.
As an exercise in democracy I am happy that we have finally left the Titanic on our speedboat (their description). No doubt the EU still will do whatever it can to stymie the progress of UK to dissuade other states from leaving. The CAA highlighted 'potential' issues in terms of a no-deal scenario but no-one seemed to know exactly what the terms of a trade deal would mean for licences. Now we know. My surprise (although I suppose I shouldn't be) stems from the fact that the CAA allow EASA licence holders to fly here. If permission was was withdrawn then maybe there would be some incentive for EASA to change their stance. As it is why should they?
