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Old 30th Oct 2018, 11:54
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I hear what you are saying but surely the two pilots must at least have a licence for the vehicle that they are flying ie Helicopter or Aeroplane?
If the aircraft is certified for single pilot ops, there is no requirement other than a customer / owner one.
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Old 30th Oct 2018, 11:57
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My God have we not got it yet ???? V often a pax may feel safer having someone with some knowledge up front with the pilot . This is often due to fear of possible pilot incapacitation. I have done this over the years in many aircraft . This operation was single pilot but having someone capable with you to look outside , remember frequencies etc can only be a help . It looks like you are all willing there to be a legal problem .....
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Old 30th Oct 2018, 12:24
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Do we anticipate an incoming temporary flight suspension or emergency AD?
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Old 30th Oct 2018, 14:47
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AW169 AD's.

Originally Posted by silverelise View Post
Do we anticipate an incoming temporary flight suspension or emergency AD?
Have wondered the same thing about AD's? Any news from other AW169 owners, OR whoever provided the maintenance on the 169 involved in the crash?
The only AD's that I can see for the AW169 are enclosed in the PDF below..

https://www.caa.govt.nz/assets/legac...ives/AW169.pdf
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Old 30th Oct 2018, 15:01
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Whilst I agree that 'any old pilot' in the other seat of a single crew operation could quite likely be a liability, the two Pilots in this case were both highly experienced Corporate Crew who had flow together professionally for a long time, understood CRM and had a wealth of knowledge between them, even if one was fixed not rotary.

Having flown single pilot ops in complex types many years ago I did appreciate a competent pilots assistant as they used to be termed. As long as they are briefed/trained in the scope of their input I have only seen it as a good thing.
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Old 30th Oct 2018, 15:18
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G-VKSP maintenance provider

Originally Posted by Cabby View Post
Have wondered the same thing about AD's? Any news from other AW169 owners, OR whoever provided the maintenance on the 169 involved in the crash?
The only AD's that I can see for the AW169 are enclosed in the PDF below..

https://www.caa.govt.nz/assets/legac...ives/AW169.pdf
Some images of G-VSKP at a the Specialist Aviation Service maintenance company.
I believe they are the importer of the AW169 type into the UK.

When was the a/c last checked for the latest AD about the emergency windows being difficult to push out? 5th Sept AD posted earlier.
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/F...313983994).jpg

This photo taken in 2016 at same place.
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/F...401335502).jpg
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Old 30th Oct 2018, 15:26
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As we reach the end of day three of the AAIB investigation, the fact their are no ADs and the aircraft type has not been grounded suggests the following.

(a) There is no reason to suspect that the aircraft was in anyway defective.
(b) The primary causal factor is a result of the aircraft sustaining damage during flight as a result with contact with a structure or other object.
(c) If not (b) then due to the handling of the aircraft by the pilot in command, pax or both, either in error or intentionally.
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Old 30th Oct 2018, 15:36
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Originally Posted by tartare View Post
Yep - very puzzling accident.
Clearly a highly experienced pilot apparently operating to SOPs - LTRE wouldn't seem to be a factor.
An almost brand new and very sophisticated machine - that one would assume was impeccably maintained.
Could there have been some sort of one off assembly or manufacturing fault that caused a catastrophic drive shaft or gearbox failure?
But then you'd think there'd be multiple independent checks of components at time of assembly?
Very strange...
Leonardo is assisting the AAIB according to their press release. Also mate of mine in Leics was quoting a local rumor of drone impact, which I believe was mentioned somewhere earlier in this thread. Has the stadium CCTV showed anything out of place on immediate lift off? Without digressing , sadly its two 'firsts' crashes this week.

Accident at Leicester City Football Club's stadium - DETAIL - Leonardo - Aerospace, Defence and Security

I do like a certain tabloid this morning that showed photo of G-LCFC when criticising the Beeb sports editor for his assumptions on the relationship between two members of the deceased

ATB
cheers

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Old 30th Oct 2018, 15:36
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Originally Posted by anchorhold View Post
As we reach the end of day three of the AAIB investigation, the fact their are no ADs and the aircraft type has not been grounded suggests the following.

(a) There is no reason to suspect that the aircraft was in anyway defective.
(b) The primary causal factor is a result of the aircraft sustaining damage during flight as a result with contact with a structure or other object.
(c) If not (b) then due to the handling of the aircraft by the pilot in command, pax or both, either in error or intentionally.
(d) The cause has not yet been positively determined by AAIB.
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Old 30th Oct 2018, 16:09
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Originally Posted by anchorhold View Post
As we reach the end of day three of the AAIB investigation, the fact their are no ADs and the aircraft type has not been grounded suggests the following.

(a) There is no reason to suspect that the aircraft was in anyway defective.
(b) The primary causal factor is a result of the aircraft sustaining damage during flight as a result with contact with a structure or other object.
(c) If not (b) then due to the handling of the aircraft by the pilot in command, pax or both, either in error or intentionally.
AAIB might as well go home then. When are you releasing your report?
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Old 30th Oct 2018, 16:43
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Originally Posted by ShyTorque View Post
(d) The cause has not yet been positively determined by AAIB.
Bravo Sir! At least someone has recognised that the investigations are still ongoing.
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Old 30th Oct 2018, 17:23
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(Reuters) - The helicopter crash that killed Leicester City soccer club owner Vichai Srivaddhanaprabha was not caused by a police drone, Leicestershire Police said on Monday, as investigations continue into how the accident happened.
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Old 30th Oct 2018, 17:43
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New footage emerges

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/762093...um-fatal-spin/
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Old 30th Oct 2018, 17:58
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SASless: "The usual suspects are making statements of certainty already.....as is their habit...despite knowing nothing of what caused the accident."

I haven't

but this quote from JimL (a prime architect of the PC1 'upwards and backwards' take off that delivers 'engine accountability') might be pertinent:
"The arguement that simplicity is safer than complexity is a given, only the consequence of failure is in question"

Lets wait for the report, whatever it was, many here lost a great friend and a "top banana".
Always v sad for many people.
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Old 30th Oct 2018, 18:00
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Originally Posted by ShyTorque View Post
(d) The cause has not yet been positively determined by AAIB.
Of course but actually you will struggle to find an example where the early rumour differs significantly in terms of the headline to the multi year final report...

Glasgow ran out of fuel...Shoreham pilot...North Sea EC225 let those down wearing big boy pants...etc

Last edited by Pittsextra; 30th Oct 2018 at 18:02. Reason: Edited to add a few recent examples..
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Old 30th Oct 2018, 18:16
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At frame 00.54 something appears to fly from above and to the right of the aircraft and then, at a different angle, move very fast off to the lower left of frame, around 5 second before it transitions into forward flight and immediately begins to rotate.
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Old 30th Oct 2018, 18:20
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Originally Posted by Gustosomerset View Post
At frame 00.54 something appears to fly from above and to the right of the aircraft and then, at a different angle, move very fast off to the lower left of frame, around 5 second before it transitions into forward flight and immediately begins to rotate.
It's an insect lit by the stadium lights, I get them on my CCTV daily...
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Old 30th Oct 2018, 18:20
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Well that answers the could it have struck the stadium question.
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Old 30th Oct 2018, 18:21
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It's worth reading the article, even if it is the Sun...
One shaken witnesses told The Sun: ďIíve seen that helicopter take off lots of times, but Iíve never noticed it take so long to get up and stay up there in the same position in the sky for that length of time."Normally it goes straight up, and itís gone.
ďBut this time, it seemed to take a long time to get up, and it stayed in the same place which seemed very unusual
. Then, obviously, you know the rest.
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Old 30th Oct 2018, 18:54
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Originally Posted by Nige321 View Post
It's an insect lit by the stadium lights, I get them on my CCTV daily...
I am not convinced - given the direction of the downwash..... delamination of TR ?
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