UK Police helicopter budget cuts
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Contracts due?
Whilst browsing the NPIA site I noticed that the contract register says it is regularly updated.
With only a month or so to go before ALL the contracts run out, the companies must know who has been given the nod by NPIA, or are there no new contracts?
PilotageAcquisition of Pilot ServicesFramework 01.04.2007 - End Date: 31.03.2011 Extension : None
Companies:
Police Aviation Services Ltd
Premiair Aviation Services Ltd
Specialist Aircrew Ltd
Maintenance Acquisiton of Maintenance Services.Framework 01.04.2007 - End date 31.03.2011 Extension : None
Companies:
Eurocopter UK Ltd
Police Aviation Services Ltd. (PAS)
Sloane Helicopters Ltd.
Fly BN Ltd.
NPIA: Contract Register
With only a month or so to go before ALL the contracts run out, the companies must know who has been given the nod by NPIA, or are there no new contracts?
PilotageAcquisition of Pilot ServicesFramework 01.04.2007 - End Date: 31.03.2011 Extension : None
Companies:
Police Aviation Services Ltd
Premiair Aviation Services Ltd
Specialist Aircrew Ltd
Maintenance Acquisiton of Maintenance Services.Framework 01.04.2007 - End date 31.03.2011 Extension : None
Companies:
Eurocopter UK Ltd
Police Aviation Services Ltd. (PAS)
Sloane Helicopters Ltd.
Fly BN Ltd.
NPIA: Contract Register
Tightgit
Well once the temperature climbs past 17 degrees you have to take fuel out of the + model.
Here in my neck of the woods OAT <= 30 degrees OAT, generally, I'm still better off with a P2+ than a P2/T2!!!
Whilst browsing the NPIA site I noticed that the contract register says it is regularly updated.
With only a month or so to go before ALL the contracts run out, the companies must know who has been given the nod by NPIA, or are there no new contracts?
PilotageAcquisition of Pilot ServicesFramework 01.04.2007 - End Date: 31.03.2011 Extension : None
Companies:
Police Aviation Services Ltd
Premiair Aviation Services Ltd
Specialist Aircrew Ltd
Maintenance Acquisiton of Maintenance Services.Framework 01.04.2007 - End date 31.03.2011 Extension : None
Companies:
Eurocopter UK Ltd
Police Aviation Services Ltd. (PAS)
Sloane Helicopters Ltd.
Fly BN Ltd.
NPIA: Contract Register
With only a month or so to go before ALL the contracts run out, the companies must know who has been given the nod by NPIA, or are there no new contracts?
PilotageAcquisition of Pilot ServicesFramework 01.04.2007 - End Date: 31.03.2011 Extension : None
Companies:
Police Aviation Services Ltd
Premiair Aviation Services Ltd
Specialist Aircrew Ltd
Maintenance Acquisiton of Maintenance Services.Framework 01.04.2007 - End date 31.03.2011 Extension : None
Companies:
Eurocopter UK Ltd
Police Aviation Services Ltd. (PAS)
Sloane Helicopters Ltd.
Fly BN Ltd.
NPIA: Contract Register
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Frameworks
Police Air Support related Frameworks have been extended in the past but there will still need to be a review of the prices which could well be a non-trivial task. The quasi-monoploy status that the Frameworks offer the contractor in some cases can be justified for say the few years of the their normal lives .... but as the contracts enter extensions, the commercial elastic is getting quite stretched.
For NPIA the question will be the balance of work of re-negogiation of prices beyond the contracts normal lengths and of setting up new Frameworks (which seems unlikely).
If NPAs is to emerge, the transition to an NPAS model is going to take several years. In this period there will be need for maintenance, pilotage and insurance and the question I would ask is whether it is commercially wise to countenance the extending contracts and then extending extensions....?
It is worth noting that during the lives of the recent Frameworks, we have seen a Global Financial Crisis, a new Government and a radical new version of the old ACPO Air Support Strategy - NPAS - so I think it is hard to argue commercially that the underlying bases of the current Frameworks are as they were when originally bid.
For NPIA the question will be the balance of work of re-negogiation of prices beyond the contracts normal lengths and of setting up new Frameworks (which seems unlikely).
If NPAs is to emerge, the transition to an NPAS model is going to take several years. In this period there will be need for maintenance, pilotage and insurance and the question I would ask is whether it is commercially wise to countenance the extending contracts and then extending extensions....?
It is worth noting that during the lives of the recent Frameworks, we have seen a Global Financial Crisis, a new Government and a radical new version of the old ACPO Air Support Strategy - NPAS - so I think it is hard to argue commercially that the underlying bases of the current Frameworks are as they were when originally bid.
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Didn't read most of this thread but FYI I just watched a Police Eurocopter land at Redhill and found out it is ex police with all the kit still inside, the interior add ons being stripped down and a new interior put in as it's been sold. The handlers were all gawking at the tail which has been burnt from the exhaust during hovering. 
Yep, Thats about right! Police Heli's spend a great amount of their time in the hover,( or the tight orbit), certainly a huge amount more of their total flight time than the average civi bird. So I would be surprised if the paint on the tail boom did not reflect that. But do not let that alarm you. Police Heli's receive far more quality time on inspections than the average and these issues are factored in. I would rather buy an ex police aircraft, fully and detailed maintained than many others.
Charred or discolored paint is one thing, a detailed and in depth survey is something else!
Tigerfish
Charred or discolored paint is one thing, a detailed and in depth survey is something else!
Tigerfish
Be interested to see where all the 'old' 135's go?
Most (if not all) T1's weren't CAA compliant for IF trips, so it would probably be an offshore client perhaps?
Didn't east mids go to Cayman?
Wheres N Wales gone?
Most (if not all) T1's weren't CAA compliant for IF trips, so it would probably be an offshore client perhaps?
Didn't east mids go to Cayman?
Wheres N Wales gone?
Thomas Coupling
Yes, East Midlands went to Cayman.
The ex North Wales machine 0063 remains registered to North Wales with the CAA note "Potential change of Registered Ownership in progress" but it's been like that since just before Christmas so there's a paperwork blockage somewhere. It's advertised here
The following T1 models remain in the UK with ECUK at Oxford:-
G-CCAU 0040 ex Central Counties
G-CHSU 0079 ex Chiltern
G-NESV 0067 ex North East
G-SUFF 0118 ex Suffolk
These are not advertised for sale as you might expect on Eurocopter's Pre-Owned pages, so I wonder what the prognosis is for these. And why is the North Wales one being dealt with differently?
Yes, East Midlands went to Cayman.
The ex North Wales machine 0063 remains registered to North Wales with the CAA note "Potential change of Registered Ownership in progress" but it's been like that since just before Christmas so there's a paperwork blockage somewhere. It's advertised here
The following T1 models remain in the UK with ECUK at Oxford:-
G-CCAU 0040 ex Central Counties
G-CHSU 0079 ex Chiltern
G-NESV 0067 ex North East
G-SUFF 0118 ex Suffolk
These are not advertised for sale as you might expect on Eurocopter's Pre-Owned pages, so I wonder what the prognosis is for these. And why is the North Wales one being dealt with differently?
North Wales is being treated differently because the police did not own it. It belonged to a finance house and it is they who are selling it.
The sales of the other EC135P2 aircraft were tied into a special guaranteed price plus deal by the manufacturers so they are selling four. The others of the six sold recently were .... Cheshire was fixed wing and not PX and West Midlands was quite clearly and visible pre-used and abused....
The aircraft are not currently being advertised on the company web site but there are adverts out there in .com land........... and some additional detail is expected to break cover in the early part of next week in .com land.
The sales of the other EC135P2 aircraft were tied into a special guaranteed price plus deal by the manufacturers so they are selling four. The others of the six sold recently were .... Cheshire was fixed wing and not PX and West Midlands was quite clearly and visible pre-used and abused....
The aircraft are not currently being advertised on the company web site but there are adverts out there in .com land........... and some additional detail is expected to break cover in the early part of next week in .com land.
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Aris: "Bit steep "charred"!! - More like covered in exhaust soot"
No, propperly charred - crispy bits of paint on the floor
I don't know if it was the police who flew it in but I watched it come in after my instructor did a perfect set down with some charter people in a twin squirrel and it looked like the guy threw it down - came in fast, stopped fast, turned fast and set down fast. (Probably don't know what I'm talking about, to put this into perspective - I only have 9 hours in an R22)
I also saw a similar europter with a shield on the tail boom - would have made sense for the police to have this maybe.
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I did a google and found this:
UK Emergency Aviation - Police Helicopter Gallery - G-NWPS
I have a few pics of it but I was concentrating on the Huey at the time. Want to be there for when it leaves EGKR...
No, propperly charred - crispy bits of paint on the floor
I don't know if it was the police who flew it in but I watched it come in after my instructor did a perfect set down with some charter people in a twin squirrel and it looked like the guy threw it down - came in fast, stopped fast, turned fast and set down fast. (Probably don't know what I'm talking about, to put this into perspective - I only have 9 hours in an R22)
I also saw a similar europter with a shield on the tail boom - would have made sense for the police to have this maybe.
G-NWPS
I did a google and found this:
UK Emergency Aviation - Police Helicopter Gallery - G-NWPS
I have a few pics of it but I was concentrating on the Huey at the time. Want to be there for when it leaves EGKR...
I wonder if the aircraft wbrodie saw was the ex-DCP 117? The first time I saw that on the ground at Middlemoor I went and had a chat with the crew - I've not seen anything like it on any UK aircraft before or since. Just as described, the area around the intermediate gearbox was soot-black and flaking.
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Looking at most of those Police Camera Action type programmes it has always appeared to me that the only crooks chased by police helicopters are car thieves and minor villains who always escape jail.
Cost to success ratio does not appear too good.
I have never understood why the police get involved with stolen vehicles.
Insurance pays out and there is less risk to the public with no chase.
In places like Wales and Norfolk the rural crime rate is so low there is no justification for a helicopter.
I'm sure every chief constable would like us all fingerprinted and on DNA database along with 24/7 surveilance
Cost to success ratio does not appear too good.
I have never understood why the police get involved with stolen vehicles.
Insurance pays out and there is less risk to the public with no chase.
In places like Wales and Norfolk the rural crime rate is so low there is no justification for a helicopter.
I'm sure every chief constable would like us all fingerprinted and on DNA database along with 24/7 surveilance
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Not at all.I love helicopters especially B206's with me in the rh seat.
However I pay for my chopper flying along with having to pay for a police helicopter that is often used to justify its costs.
Plod love their toys when someone else pays. You can see that from their car fleets.
When the belt tightens then the expensive ones have to go first.
However I pay for my chopper flying along with having to pay for a police helicopter that is often used to justify its costs.
Plod love their toys when someone else pays. You can see that from their car fleets.
When the belt tightens then the expensive ones have to go first.
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Phil's Pace must be V-E-R-Y slow.
Gone fishing ? - Well catch this .......
Here we go again .........
He obviously doesn't own a car that the "modern day" criminal would be interested in,
so he won't need to worry about the ever increasing number of people who find themselves at sleep during the night,
only to be awoken by a gang of armed thugs that have forced their way into his house,
and who will beat him up and seriously injure him and his family ( or worse ) if he doesn't hand over the car keys,
and he obviously isn't worried about any one else that might find themselves in this situation -
no need to because they will be insured, and the insurance will pay to replace the car, fix the front door of the house,
and heal the scars - both emotional and physical - won't they ??
May as well just accept that we don't need any law and order in this Country and let them get on with it
Gone fishing ? - Well catch this .......
Here we go again .........
He obviously doesn't own a car that the "modern day" criminal would be interested in,
so he won't need to worry about the ever increasing number of people who find themselves at sleep during the night,
only to be awoken by a gang of armed thugs that have forced their way into his house,
and who will beat him up and seriously injure him and his family ( or worse ) if he doesn't hand over the car keys,
and he obviously isn't worried about any one else that might find themselves in this situation -
no need to because they will be insured, and the insurance will pay to replace the car, fix the front door of the house,
and heal the scars - both emotional and physical - won't they ??
May as well just accept that we don't need any law and order in this Country and let them get on with it