UK Police helicopter budget cuts
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Perhaps you'd like to take that up with Tracker/OFT, false advertising perhaps?
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Some Constabularies have very few (if any) cars fitted with Tracker..
TRACKER is the ONLY stolen vehicle recovery system operated by all police forces across the UK.
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Really, as many as that? Really?
TRACKER is the ONLY stolen vehicle recovery system operated by all police forces across the UK.
With over 1,500 police patrol cars and 30 helicopters across the UK fitted with TRACKER’s detection equipment, the chances of recovering your stolen vehicle are greatly improved.
With over 1,500 police patrol cars and 30 helicopters across the UK fitted with TRACKER’s detection equipment, the chances of recovering your stolen vehicle are greatly improved.
From the same web site (Tracker)
New Study Reveals That Global Satellite System Could Fail In 2010
TRACKER believes it is ready for any eventuality
News that the Global Satellite System (GPS), overseen by the US Air Force, could fail by 2010 is worrying news and whilst TRACKER believes it is highly unlikely that it will happen, it is ready should the system fail.
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But isn't that just my point ap?
Tracker (RBS) get the punter in with these statements, take the money, then have the Police do the job!
Tracker (RBS) get the punter in with these statements, take the money, then have the Police do the job!
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When you think about it Tracker have been very astute by supplying equipment for Police and then they sit back wait for the money to roll in and then let the Ploice do their work, very clever bit of marketing 
Perhaps we should have "vehicle recovery scheme" on the sides of the helicopters
Perhaps we should have "vehicle recovery scheme" on the sides of the helicopters
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Sid, I am happy with the principle, Tracker is supposed to be a system to locate missing vehicles, not a recovery agency.
My concern is that it has fallen out of use in day to day ops compared with the number of units in use at the launch of the system. Partly this is because there are fewer marked cars out there anyway and partly because some forces are unwilling to spend the money fitting the kit to replacement cars.
Maybe this could go pirvate with a bounty paid by the insurance company, or it may be worth getting units fitted to Local Authority vehicles that are out on the road 24/7.
1,500 is possibly the number of car units that Tracker UK have supplied to the Police, but I'd like to know how many are moving around the force area every day.
Maybe, just maybe, there are enough to do the job. It could be that the original flood was overkill and all that's required is for Tracker to say where (roughly) the car is and a suitable police car attends there.
I don't see the point in more money going around in circles by having the police admin people billing Tracker so thay can pass that cost on to the motoring public.
My concern is that it has fallen out of use in day to day ops compared with the number of units in use at the launch of the system. Partly this is because there are fewer marked cars out there anyway and partly because some forces are unwilling to spend the money fitting the kit to replacement cars.
Maybe this could go pirvate with a bounty paid by the insurance company, or it may be worth getting units fitted to Local Authority vehicles that are out on the road 24/7.
1,500 is possibly the number of car units that Tracker UK have supplied to the Police, but I'd like to know how many are moving around the force area every day.
Maybe, just maybe, there are enough to do the job. It could be that the original flood was overkill and all that's required is for Tracker to say where (roughly) the car is and a suitable police car attends there.
I don't see the point in more money going around in circles by having the police admin people billing Tracker so thay can pass that cost on to the motoring public.
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Tracker is supposed to be a system to locate missing vehicles, not a recovery agency.
or it may be worth getting units fitted to Local Authority vehicles that are out on the road 24/7.
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Perhaps if we were to allow sponsorship from Tracker and other like companies we could raise the millions they will save in chopping up the present ASU's so service can be kept to a maximum.... or is that too simple?
I fear after watching another episode of Apprentice my faith in management is totally shot, just like most of them should be!!!
I fear after watching another episode of Apprentice my faith in management is totally shot, just like most of them should be!!!
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And there we have the solution.
As frontline policing is not being affected by these cuts, perhaps we should have the helicopters 'sponsored' by Tracker/RBS. A simple arrangement where, for example, Tracker pay for the crews helmets. These would also have a 'Tracker' sticker on the back, placed so that it will be seen on all these Stop, You're Nicked, 'Ello3', Action type programmes, that don't seem to pay for any footage!
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That's easily remedied.
The units 'aircrew clothing' rep would simply send the bills to Tracker, therefore the only cost would be the one Tracker passes on to the motorist that has a unit fitted to their vehicle. How much gets passed on? Well that would be their own commercial decision.
Tracker gets advertising, the punter keeps the service and the helicopter unit makes savings.
As frontline policing is not being affected by these cuts, perhaps we should have the helicopters 'sponsored' by Tracker/RBS. A simple arrangement where, for example, Tracker pay for the crews helmets. These would also have a 'Tracker' sticker on the back, placed so that it will be seen on all these Stop, You're Nicked, 'Ello3', Action type programmes, that don't seem to pay for any footage!
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I don't see the point in more money going around in circles by having the police admin people billing Tracker so thay can pass that cost on to the motoring public.
The units 'aircrew clothing' rep would simply send the bills to Tracker, therefore the only cost would be the one Tracker passes on to the motorist that has a unit fitted to their vehicle. How much gets passed on? Well that would be their own commercial decision.
Tracker gets advertising, the punter keeps the service and the helicopter unit makes savings.
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But to recover them you have to find them first, we do it for Tracker for free!!
Should you treat a stolen Tracker equipped vehicle any differently than a non-equipped one?
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Tracker are providing a service to members of the public with no expense to police authorities
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Sorry, I don't see your point.
If I have my non-Tracker equipped car stolen, then see it being driven around and report it to you (I presume you are a police employee). Wouldn't you launch the helicopter anyway?
Can't see the difference.
If I have my non-Tracker equipped car stolen, then see it being driven around and report it to you (I presume you are a police employee). Wouldn't you launch the helicopter anyway?
Can't see the difference.
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Over the years I have been involved in a number of very serious crimes being "resolved" because of Tracker being fitted to vehicles: murders, kidnappings, carjackings, drug pushers and SOCA stuff. And some potential suicides being found.
Should the police pay Tracker for those cases where otherwise a serious crime would have gone unsolved and violent serial criminals not been caught?
Or should we just all be happy to have something else to assist us in preventing and detecting crime?
Using the same sort of argument witnesses should be asking the cops for a fee to make a statement.
Should the police pay Tracker for those cases where otherwise a serious crime would have gone unsolved and violent serial criminals not been caught?
Or should we just all be happy to have something else to assist us in preventing and detecting crime?
Using the same sort of argument witnesses should be asking the cops for a fee to make a statement.
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Total crap only thing worth while replying to
I agree but why do Tracker get money out of us doing our job and we get little back in return, a bit of sponsership money would be the best solution then we can spend that on flying more hours like looking for Skidkids Skoda Estelle
Oops too late sorry Skidlid, get tracker next time
Or should we just all be happy to have something else to assist us in preventing and detecting crime
Oops too late sorry Skidlid, get tracker next time
I wish we'd fitted Tracker to the original thread and then might be able to locate it and get back to the matter in hand.
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Message drift!
hi Guys!
This thread was aimed at the serious topic of Budget Cuts to Police Aviation and the resultant response to the problem by NPAS. It now appears to have drifted off into an entirely different subject concerning the effectiveness of tracker. If we are to make any headway in responding to this challenge we need to remain focussed on the central issues and not drift off.
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This thread was aimed at the serious topic of Budget Cuts to Police Aviation and the resultant response to the problem by NPAS. It now appears to have drifted off into an entirely different subject concerning the effectiveness of tracker. If we are to make any headway in responding to this challenge we need to remain focussed on the central issues and not drift off.
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Tigerfish, agreed but can you tell me what is new to chat about and if anyone is listening? Also it was pointed out that money from firms like Tracker who use our services for their commercial gain should pay the Police hence providing funds to help remove the need for such vicious cuts by NPAS. How was that going off subject?
I disagree totally with the statement....
I think that little can be achieved now on this thread as decisions are beyond normal control hence the divulgence of Tracker
It is pretty clear that these proposals are just that and there is no Business Plan in place and most of it is fluid and pretty rubbish.
I accept that as serving police officers and employees things are difficult - but that is why you do not quote your collar number on Pprune isn't it?
Equally there are people out there who can 'safely' write on your behalf [yes the castigated press even] - and existing documents can be delivered to your local representative/MP to widen the pressure on something has not yet come to pass and has yet to meet the approval of [for instance] the police authorities.
They, those potentially useful people, are not likely to be coming to Pprune any day soon but the words in pprune and other documents can be delivered in plain brown envelopes without fear of discovery for the cost of a second class stamp. The stamp I think you may have to buy yourself.
If these important people only see the ACPO plan in isolation they will never question whether it is good or bad.
I think that little can be achieved now on this thread as decisions are beyond normal control hence the divulgence of Tracker
It is pretty clear that these proposals are just that and there is no Business Plan in place and most of it is fluid and pretty rubbish.
I accept that as serving police officers and employees things are difficult - but that is why you do not quote your collar number on Pprune isn't it?
Equally there are people out there who can 'safely' write on your behalf [yes the castigated press even] - and existing documents can be delivered to your local representative/MP to widen the pressure on something has not yet come to pass and has yet to meet the approval of [for instance] the police authorities.
They, those potentially useful people, are not likely to be coming to Pprune any day soon but the words in pprune and other documents can be delivered in plain brown envelopes without fear of discovery for the cost of a second class stamp. The stamp I think you may have to buy yourself.
If these important people only see the ACPO plan in isolation they will never question whether it is good or bad.