I guess they don't like Heli's !!!!
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Helicopter noise
Now I am sure that the last time I saw this, those NOT affected was somewhat higher than it appears now.......
....me thinks this is fixed !!
Helicopter Noise Coalition - How many helicopter noise incidents have you had in last 7 days...
Also realised none of the stats add up !
....me thinks this is fixed !!
Helicopter Noise Coalition - How many helicopter noise incidents have you had in last 7 days...
Also realised none of the stats add up !
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around 70% are not affected ( they dont show that of course if the total vote of 41,136 is correct ). Stil does not make sense why none is only 148 . I am actually surprised so many people would bother to vote to say they have not been affected.
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Check out the efforts of g-mady (good boy) 
http://www.pprune.org/rotorheads/324...ike-helis.html
and mini suggested :
J.
http://www.pprune.org/rotorheads/324...ike-helis.html
and mini suggested :
Someone needs to take a "snapshot" of the poll results on a regular basis, methinks that once they cop the erosion in their position they may adopt ZANU-PF style tactics and "manipulate" the vote...
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hope they will never organize elections in any democratic country, or maybe uk has some 5000 helicopters flying every day, a pilot's paradise, maybe I would find a job 
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Here is one of their five aims
Over the sea, are they mad? It also shows their ignorance to the neccessay training requirements.
5. To have helicopter training located in uninhabited areas or over the sea. Who, in their right minds, would locate afresh today such helicopter training in the highly-populated Thames Valley or other highly populated region?
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I forgot about this old chesnut! Mainly because I haven't been into Booker for a while down the "ho chi min trail!!!"
Let us all pray for a UK employment market boyed by "many times everyday" kind of movements!!!
I see it appears ZANU -PF style tactics are fully deployed!!!
MADY
PS The forum appears to be Buzzing with activity!!!
Let us all pray for a UK employment market boyed by "many times everyday" kind of movements!!!
I see it appears ZANU -PF style tactics are fully deployed!!!
MADY
PS The forum appears to be Buzzing with activity!!!
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I live in a part of the United States where we have a huge Army base, a huge Marine base, and a very active Coast Guard base....throw in the EMS aircraft, police aircraft, and privately owned aircraft......and I might see five helicopters or Ospreys in a week maximum.
So...I reckon I ought to get out and protest all this noise.
The conveyor system at the gypsum plant makes more noise all day long than the aircraft...jets and helicopters combined do at one time.
But...then I am not a Nimby.
So...I reckon I ought to get out and protest all this noise.
The conveyor system at the gypsum plant makes more noise all day long than the aircraft...jets and helicopters combined do at one time.
But...then I am not a Nimby.
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The conveyor system at the gypsum plant makes more noise all day long than the aircraft...jets and helicopters combined do at one time.
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Poll numbers dont add up!
Check out the number of votes on their poll.
Helicopter Noise Coalition - How many helicopter noise incidents have you had in last 7 days...
Total number of votes: 41201
Total number of votes shown: 12700
I think there might be a few votes missing
about 28501 of them!!
Must be Robert Mugabe that is running this site.
Helicopter Noise Coalition - How many helicopter noise incidents have you had in last 7 days...
Total number of votes: 41201
Total number of votes shown: 12700
I think there might be a few votes missing
about 28501 of them!!Must be Robert Mugabe that is running this site.
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I have just stumbled across this thread after searching the Internet for activity relating to anti helicopter noise in Surrey.
As you can probably tell by my username I am one of those NIMBY's you refer to, I am actually a normal guy who rarely complains about things but have been driven to action by the level and regularity of noise in my area.
Of the many posts in this thread, the majority in my opinion are childish and selfish, there was one helpful one by AndyJB32 suggesting that maybe the complainers point of view is worth discussing over a beer.
I am not suggesting we have a beer
however if any of you want to discuss the issues surrounding helicopter noise then please reply and I will discuss.
I am active on many formus relating to my specific areas of interest (motorbikes and model helicopters) and have seen posts on the bike forums where an anti has joined in and been shot down and not given the chance to voice their side, I hope that helicopter pilots are above that!
You never know, you may learn something that enables you to appease the complainers and help delay the inevitable legilation which can only adversely affect you.
On the other hand, this may be a dead post that has no chance of resurrection and my post count will forever stay at 1
As you can probably tell by my username I am one of those NIMBY's you refer to, I am actually a normal guy who rarely complains about things but have been driven to action by the level and regularity of noise in my area.
Of the many posts in this thread, the majority in my opinion are childish and selfish, there was one helpful one by AndyJB32 suggesting that maybe the complainers point of view is worth discussing over a beer.
I am not suggesting we have a beer
however if any of you want to discuss the issues surrounding helicopter noise then please reply and I will discuss.I am active on many formus relating to my specific areas of interest (motorbikes and model helicopters) and have seen posts on the bike forums where an anti has joined in and been shot down and not given the chance to voice their side, I hope that helicopter pilots are above that!
You never know, you may learn something that enables you to appease the complainers and help delay the inevitable legilation which can only adversely affect you.
On the other hand, this may be a dead post that has no chance of resurrection and my post count will forever stay at 1
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OK low-and-loud, what are your "issues"? And what proposals do you suggest from which we may learn?
For examples, are these military helicopters, emergency helicopters, training helicopters, private helicopters? Is it the same helicopter or a number of different ones? Did you buy a house near a known airfield or helipad? How well can you judge height above ground?
Cheers
Whirls
For examples, are these military helicopters, emergency helicopters, training helicopters, private helicopters? Is it the same helicopter or a number of different ones? Did you buy a house near a known airfield or helipad? How well can you judge height above ground?
Cheers
Whirls
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Blimey Whirls, quick reply! I appreciate your time.
Right, I bought my house recently, intentionally away from airports and railway lines as I like a quiet life. Little road noise and no other noise to speak of, a bit of a quiet oasis in Surrey. Dont think I am some lucky rich guy, the only thing going for this house is the quiet, it has cost us dear in many ways, and now we dont even have the quiet we paid so much for.
The isse is mainly with commercials (I think, it can be very hard to tell, and trust me I have tried). I am getting quite good at telling them apart. I am getting up to 20 flights a day directly over my house, height no idea but it really does not look that high, I am sure it is around the 1000 feet mark (which is legal, I know, but legality is not the issue). I hear them from up to a minute away and when the go over, my god it is like a runway at heathrow sometimes.
No matter what I do I cannot complain to anyone, CAA not interested, council not interested, MP's pass the buck.
I dont see why they have to follow a "route" over my house, it is open air space so cant we have a bit of randomness, when they are in the distance (say half mile away) and pass the house, things are nowhere near as bad. I know they are probably following land features, but come on have a bit of thought for the people continually disturbed below.
I think 5 a day directly overhead is acceptable, but when it gets to 20 I get very angry and that is when I start investigating what direct action I can take. It is so frustrating as there is nobody to say to "come on guys, give us a break and make your noise somewhere else for a few hours" I am not a NIMBY, but I think that it is only fair the noise and disturbance is shared (and minimised eg unnecessary flights, but that is another issue....)
Over to you........
Right, I bought my house recently, intentionally away from airports and railway lines as I like a quiet life. Little road noise and no other noise to speak of, a bit of a quiet oasis in Surrey. Dont think I am some lucky rich guy, the only thing going for this house is the quiet, it has cost us dear in many ways, and now we dont even have the quiet we paid so much for.
The isse is mainly with commercials (I think, it can be very hard to tell, and trust me I have tried). I am getting quite good at telling them apart. I am getting up to 20 flights a day directly over my house, height no idea but it really does not look that high, I am sure it is around the 1000 feet mark (which is legal, I know, but legality is not the issue). I hear them from up to a minute away and when the go over, my god it is like a runway at heathrow sometimes.
No matter what I do I cannot complain to anyone, CAA not interested, council not interested, MP's pass the buck.
I dont see why they have to follow a "route" over my house, it is open air space so cant we have a bit of randomness, when they are in the distance (say half mile away) and pass the house, things are nowhere near as bad. I know they are probably following land features, but come on have a bit of thought for the people continually disturbed below.
I think 5 a day directly overhead is acceptable, but when it gets to 20 I get very angry and that is when I start investigating what direct action I can take. It is so frustrating as there is nobody to say to "come on guys, give us a break and make your noise somewhere else for a few hours" I am not a NIMBY, but I think that it is only fair the noise and disturbance is shared (and minimised eg unnecessary flights, but that is another issue....)
Over to you........
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Of the many posts in this thread, the majority in my opinion are childish and selfish
In my view, aircraft noise is part of modern life, just like any other type of noise. Although I live on the final approach path at one mile from a recreational and training airfield, the noise from vehicular traffic and in particular, from motorbikes with modified exhausts racing up the bypass and travelling through the village is far more intrusive and goes on far longer.
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Alrighty!
L and L,
Most of the helo pilots and particularly the operators I know take noise abatement very seriously. You are new to these forums and I am sure that you will not be aquainted with the members, most of whom have a wicked and funny sense of humour. I am surprised that you do not seem to have picked up that even from this thread.
To have called most of the posters..."childish and selfish"...perhaps isnt the way to start off your first post if you want to be treated seriously.
I am sure your nice part of Surrey does suffer from noise pollution and operators will take any REASONABLE precautions to try to alleviate your issues. Having said that to place the helicopters in the same category as motorbikes and toy helicopters weakens your position somewhat.
As I am sure you are aware you have a few extremists amongst you which causes the "sense of humour" factor to come out amongst us. That said I am certainly willing to read to your issues as I am sure sensible dialogue between us would at least give you a sense of the professionalism that is absolutely present in the helicopter pilot community.
I am also sure that if you understood why some of these helicopters were airborne it would assist in balancing off your few minutes of noise against the needs of others. For instance some of the police forces will post why their air support helos were up at "4am" on their websites to help the public understand why they were woken up and it wont have been because they were making a run to their local chippie.
Expect a few wind-ups too....but thats what makes these forums fun!!
Oh....I live on a arrival and departure route of a major airport and do regularly hear traffic including during the night. I chose to live here...and whenever I hear a medium / large helicopter thumping over my home....I consider it the sound of safety and freedom!
IC
Most of the helo pilots and particularly the operators I know take noise abatement very seriously. You are new to these forums and I am sure that you will not be aquainted with the members, most of whom have a wicked and funny sense of humour. I am surprised that you do not seem to have picked up that even from this thread.
To have called most of the posters..."childish and selfish"...perhaps isnt the way to start off your first post if you want to be treated seriously.
I am sure your nice part of Surrey does suffer from noise pollution and operators will take any REASONABLE precautions to try to alleviate your issues. Having said that to place the helicopters in the same category as motorbikes and toy helicopters weakens your position somewhat.
As I am sure you are aware you have a few extremists amongst you which causes the "sense of humour" factor to come out amongst us. That said I am certainly willing to read to your issues as I am sure sensible dialogue between us would at least give you a sense of the professionalism that is absolutely present in the helicopter pilot community.
I am also sure that if you understood why some of these helicopters were airborne it would assist in balancing off your few minutes of noise against the needs of others. For instance some of the police forces will post why their air support helos were up at "4am" on their websites to help the public understand why they were woken up and it wont have been because they were making a run to their local chippie.
Expect a few wind-ups too....but thats what makes these forums fun!!
Oh....I live on a arrival and departure route of a major airport and do regularly hear traffic including during the night. I chose to live here...and whenever I hear a medium / large helicopter thumping over my home....I consider it the sound of safety and freedom!
IC
L and L,
Perhaps you might take a moment...actually a few hours sometime....stand out in your garden (if you have one) and do an inventory of noise sources and time them.
I would bet the major source of noise (besides the Missus and Curtain Climbers) will be Lorries, Trains, Cars, and Sirens (the noisy kind....on car tops) and perhaps some airplanes....and finally way down at the bottom of the list....helicopters.
Get a meter and record the volume in Decibels and again I bet the helicopters are still way down on the list.
The problem with living in a very confined space such as the UK....one has to give up the peace and tranquility of an isolated location.
I thought I had found a lovely spot a few weeks ago here in the US....anchored my sailboat at the north end of the Alligator River in eastern North Carolina. Ah...yes....solitude in the absolute middle of no where....until the USMC showed up with F/A 18's and Harriers doing practice bombing runs.
You think helicopters are noisy!
At least I enjoyed the free airshow....especially after flashing the mirror at them....and getting a low pass and wave!
Perhaps you might take a moment...actually a few hours sometime....stand out in your garden (if you have one) and do an inventory of noise sources and time them.
I would bet the major source of noise (besides the Missus and Curtain Climbers) will be Lorries, Trains, Cars, and Sirens (the noisy kind....on car tops) and perhaps some airplanes....and finally way down at the bottom of the list....helicopters.
Get a meter and record the volume in Decibels and again I bet the helicopters are still way down on the list.
The problem with living in a very confined space such as the UK....one has to give up the peace and tranquility of an isolated location.
I thought I had found a lovely spot a few weeks ago here in the US....anchored my sailboat at the north end of the Alligator River in eastern North Carolina. Ah...yes....solitude in the absolute middle of no where....until the USMC showed up with F/A 18's and Harriers doing practice bombing runs.
You think helicopters are noisy!
At least I enjoyed the free airshow....especially after flashing the mirror at them....and getting a low pass and wave!
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Here we go...
I love it, the noise coalition web-site wont let you join if it thinks your "one of them", yet the PPRuNe website, which is mature enough to let aircraft haters join gets rewarded by an accusation of being "childish and selfish" sorry it may be me but I think there's some irony there...
As for the "the inevitable legislation" I'm sorry but I'm really tired of hearing this drivel... there is plenty of legislation out there to deal with aircraft noise the fact that you didn't get the answer you wanted from your mean local council, or your lawyer, or that the American embassy turned down your request to sell you anti-aircraft artillery to deal with your problem or the fact that it actually turns out the 6000+ aircraft movements a year over your garden pagoda is actually 6. 2 of those were probably the police stopping the criminal fraternity from nicking your or your neighbors car, 2 were maybe the local air ambulance, almost certainly paid for by charitable donations (bad charities, bad!) saving someones life... no helicopters are not used for any medical emergency because they are expensive, so it was important, i.e Lifesaving, maybe a coastguard aircraft, again bad coastguard saving peoples lives, and one private aircraft...rich tosser ruining everyone's lives eh?
I'm sorry this is an old argument from people who are grumpy that they can't get their own way and stop people doing something they don't like. No there won't be any more legislation because your grumpy, get over it, become more tolerant of your fellow man & his machine.
If you truthfully need a crusade at least make it a worthwhile one, world peace, feeding the homeless, save the whatever, but get off your soap box and start to enjoy the world, and if that doesn't satisfy that inner need to bitch and complain just let us know where you live and I'm sure that there will be a PPRuNer who will be happy to drive a motorbike up and down your road doing the whole screemy engine thing to put the evils of noise in modern society in perspective... O I'm sorry your into motorbikes, I bet all your neighbors love you, bet you don't annoy any of them with your motorbike, but isn't that different, it's different because it's you making the noise.
I love it, the noise coalition web-site wont let you join if it thinks your "one of them", yet the PPRuNe website, which is mature enough to let aircraft haters join gets rewarded by an accusation of being "childish and selfish" sorry it may be me but I think there's some irony there...
As for the "the inevitable legislation" I'm sorry but I'm really tired of hearing this drivel... there is plenty of legislation out there to deal with aircraft noise the fact that you didn't get the answer you wanted from your mean local council, or your lawyer, or that the American embassy turned down your request to sell you anti-aircraft artillery to deal with your problem or the fact that it actually turns out the 6000+ aircraft movements a year over your garden pagoda is actually 6. 2 of those were probably the police stopping the criminal fraternity from nicking your or your neighbors car, 2 were maybe the local air ambulance, almost certainly paid for by charitable donations (bad charities, bad!) saving someones life... no helicopters are not used for any medical emergency because they are expensive, so it was important, i.e Lifesaving, maybe a coastguard aircraft, again bad coastguard saving peoples lives, and one private aircraft...rich tosser ruining everyone's lives eh?
I'm sorry this is an old argument from people who are grumpy that they can't get their own way and stop people doing something they don't like. No there won't be any more legislation because your grumpy, get over it, become more tolerant of your fellow man & his machine.
If you truthfully need a crusade at least make it a worthwhile one, world peace, feeding the homeless, save the whatever, but get off your soap box and start to enjoy the world, and if that doesn't satisfy that inner need to bitch and complain just let us know where you live and I'm sure that there will be a PPRuNer who will be happy to drive a motorbike up and down your road doing the whole screemy engine thing to put the evils of noise in modern society in perspective... O I'm sorry your into motorbikes, I bet all your neighbors love you, bet you don't annoy any of them with your motorbike, but isn't that different, it's different because it's you making the noise.
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I fly helicopters for a living. After thirty years of professional aviation (and living near an airfield, as already stated) I'm already aware of the aviation noise issue, as are all the other regular contributors here.
I also ride motorcycles for recreational purposes. If I were the one to "scream up and down" on my bike the loudest thing anyone would hear would be the "clunk" of the gearchange. I have foregone more performance and more fun for the sake of less noise.
I try to consider those on the ground below when I'm flying, in a similar way. I really cannot give much time or patience to those who try to tell us we will be banned, or legislated away just because they don't like what we do for a living.
I also ride motorcycles for recreational purposes. If I were the one to "scream up and down" on my bike the loudest thing anyone would hear would be the "clunk" of the gearchange. I have foregone more performance and more fun for the sake of less noise.
I try to consider those on the ground below when I'm flying, in a similar way. I really cannot give much time or patience to those who try to tell us we will be banned, or legislated away just because they don't like what we do for a living.
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Jeez SASless, I've never seen you hold back so much!
Having lived under the flight path to a bombing range, and now under a departure/arrival path (handy for work), I'm keen to read some of the points to be raised by L and L - if indeed he hasn't given us the bird already.
Sure the bombing flight path was loud as F%$K, but i didn't let 10 seconds of thunder ruin my day.
It always makes me smile to see how companies such as the Department of Conservation (in NZ) give helicopter companies a hard time 24/7 for everything from noise to landing permits, but are the first to ask for a good deal when they need to drop rangers into the backcountry.
Having lived under the flight path to a bombing range, and now under a departure/arrival path (handy for work), I'm keen to read some of the points to be raised by L and L - if indeed he hasn't given us the bird already.
Sure the bombing flight path was loud as F%$K, but i didn't let 10 seconds of thunder ruin my day.
It always makes me smile to see how companies such as the Department of Conservation (in NZ) give helicopter companies a hard time 24/7 for everything from noise to landing permits, but are the first to ask for a good deal when they need to drop rangers into the backcountry.