The R22 corner: Owning, flying & training questions
I had an engine failure on the lawn mower today - coughed and spluttered a few times before it died. Ran out of petrol but it made me think of this thread. .
If you are on a high power setting I think you would get very little warning but a lower power setting should give you more warning.
Hows that for a definitive answer to the question.
If you are on a high power setting I think you would get very little warning but a lower power setting should give you more warning.
Hows that for a definitive answer to the question.
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I had a flight in a 300C with a recently replaced ("new") engine that had a few snags...
Flying along, ~1000' lowered to a cruise setting ~16" MAP IIRC when it started to flutter...
Amazing how quickly training kicked in selected a spot and entering auto.
While doing that instructor suggested rolling up throttle to see if that helped, which it did, reapplied power and returned to base.
Had an issue with valves on one of the cylinders and some mag issues.
What pleasantly surprised me was how natural my actions seemed entering into the auto, not rushed, and "in tune", inspite of how quickly it happened, even the ability to do diagnostics on the way down.
Flying along, ~1000' lowered to a cruise setting ~16" MAP IIRC when it started to flutter...
Amazing how quickly training kicked in selected a spot and entering auto.
While doing that instructor suggested rolling up throttle to see if that helped, which it did, reapplied power and returned to base.
Had an issue with valves on one of the cylinders and some mag issues.
What pleasantly surprised me was how natural my actions seemed entering into the auto, not rushed, and "in tune", inspite of how quickly it happened, even the ability to do diagnostics on the way down.
your responses on this thread are making you come across as bit of dick
What's wrong with helping out a fellow aviator, regardless of the machine he's flying?! TC (who couldn't even afford an R22) just can't control the snob in him..
(~<50hrs in 300C) ~250TT at the time.
What TC could have told you is that the helicopter doesnt know if its up wind or down wind , the auto is the same . At touchdown the ground speed on the up wind auto will be airspeed minus headwind and the down wind auto will be airspeed + tailwind . Therefore a 10 kn wind will give a 20kn difference in touchdown speed which is fine on a runway but probably not so good on a plowed field. Anyway dont be cross with old TC , he,s tired and grumpy after 100,000 hrs working and still hasnt got his own personal shiny heli ( even if it is a robbo !!)
On an aside , having flown singles exclusively for many years very happily, i have now come to appreciate the slightly happier feeling of flying over dense cities ,with no really appetising landing spots , in the 109 . Still prefer the 350 but 2 engines and 150kn is v nice .....
On an aside , having flown singles exclusively for many years very happily, i have now come to appreciate the slightly happier feeling of flying over dense cities ,with no really appetising landing spots , in the 109 . Still prefer the 350 but 2 engines and 150kn is v nice .....
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I reckon TC has been having an enjoyable time, - and a fair feed on the way past.
If you read a few of his posts you'll see that there's a bit more to him (or her) than a just common connection in the industry.
Somewhere i had the idea that Ifresh was a plank student, could be wrong, that's been the context that structures my replies to him, or her.
Regardless of that forget downwind autos unless you are in the low level industry and after heaps of training. Any sort or tooling around the country joyriding or learning should always be in sight of a suitable area that can have at least a short final approach into wind.
There is only one rule, look after number one don't worry about the machine.
Just make sure that you can get the fuse down in an area that is reasonably clear and level and if the blades are going to cut their way down through light timber anything up to 3" in diameter (for a R22 they will, have seen that) and not too tall, then you should be able to walk away.
Conduct your auto to the ground as usual, even if the pitch links are smashed which is usual, then energy will be being absorbed by the timber cutting and you will be slowing down your ROD because of it.
Oh and don't walk too far away, stay with the machine as that is where you will be found when hellup comes a lookin'.
cheers tet
If you read a few of his posts you'll see that there's a bit more to him (or her) than a just common connection in the industry.
Somewhere i had the idea that Ifresh was a plank student, could be wrong, that's been the context that structures my replies to him, or her.
Regardless of that forget downwind autos unless you are in the low level industry and after heaps of training. Any sort or tooling around the country joyriding or learning should always be in sight of a suitable area that can have at least a short final approach into wind.
There is only one rule, look after number one don't worry about the machine.
Just make sure that you can get the fuse down in an area that is reasonably clear and level and if the blades are going to cut their way down through light timber anything up to 3" in diameter (for a R22 they will, have seen that) and not too tall, then you should be able to walk away.
Conduct your auto to the ground as usual, even if the pitch links are smashed which is usual, then energy will be being absorbed by the timber cutting and you will be slowing down your ROD because of it.
Oh and don't walk too far away, stay with the machine as that is where you will be found when hellup comes a lookin'.
cheers tet
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Great story birddog
Thanks nigel
TET - do you mean that you shouldn't start the flare if you are going into a (small) tree or something? Wait tiill you get to the ground? I don't get it.
And why/how would the pitch links be smashed? Thanks
Thanks nigel
TET - do you mean that you shouldn't start the flare if you are going into a (small) tree or something? Wait tiill you get to the ground? I don't get it.
And why/how would the pitch links be smashed? Thanks
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That's easy, 3" size timber will usually only be about fifteen feet high, if you find a gap for your fuselage to sink into then you will automatically flare off to zero airspeed as you arrive there, just a bit higher than normal. You will quite easily stop yourself before you approach anything too big.
You will find that you will be trying to cushion the touch down but there will be no reaction to your control inputs because of broken links.
The pitch change links usually break if the blades are at any incidence at all to a solid obstruction as the sudden twisting moment cannot be resisted by the puny little links.
One machine that I saw after such an incident was sitting quite upright without hardly any bent undercarriage or body damage and from a distance the blades looked quite normal. but up close they looked like corrugated iron. There is a photograph of it somewhere that I promised Pandalet that I would try to find about four years ago, still looking.
You will find that you will be trying to cushion the touch down but there will be no reaction to your control inputs because of broken links.
The pitch change links usually break if the blades are at any incidence at all to a solid obstruction as the sudden twisting moment cannot be resisted by the puny little links.
One machine that I saw after such an incident was sitting quite upright without hardly any bent undercarriage or body damage and from a distance the blades looked quite normal. but up close they looked like corrugated iron. There is a photograph of it somewhere that I promised Pandalet that I would try to find about four years ago, still looking.
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The only thing we may have left for the whole North Australian beef industry very soon Pandalet maybe is photos and memories. Quite sad, our govt has been grossly rude to our most precious trading partner, Indonesia.
As an industry we are ashamed and frightened. I may have to come over there for a job polishing your bubbles, bar glasses etc.
Hey Ifresh, the automatic bit kicks in real easy after you have been instructed by a good instructor. They will give you enough experience for you to make an "automatically" good decision.
Besides most people when they see a large tree or something immovable loom up in front of them they usually "automatically" react away from it, get it, quite simple really. The old flight or fight syndrome.
You will learn that when trying to grasp the hovering bit. When you can't keep it in the paddock the instructor may drive the machine over to adjacent the largest brick outhouse that can be found and demand that you hover quite close to it.
You'll be amazed how easy it suddenly is, no one likes to be in the ****e.
all the best
tet
As an industry we are ashamed and frightened. I may have to come over there for a job polishing your bubbles, bar glasses etc.
Hey Ifresh, the automatic bit kicks in real easy after you have been instructed by a good instructor. They will give you enough experience for you to make an "automatically" good decision.
Besides most people when they see a large tree or something immovable loom up in front of them they usually "automatically" react away from it, get it, quite simple really. The old flight or fight syndrome.
You will learn that when trying to grasp the hovering bit. When you can't keep it in the paddock the instructor may drive the machine over to adjacent the largest brick outhouse that can be found and demand that you hover quite close to it.
You'll be amazed how easy it suddenly is, no one likes to be in the ****e.
all the best
tet
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According to his post of 28th December 2010 in Private Flying
It didn't take long for him to annoy the heck out of contributors there, either 
I am 16. In the US you have to be 17 to get a pilots license. However, in Canada you can get a recreational license at 16 which allows you to fly with one passenger . Would it be possible to get a recreational license in Canada and somehow fly in the US with a passenger? I am not sure if I could simply fly with that license in the US legally with the Canadian age rules, or if I would have to apply for a US license via the Canadian recreational license.
If I had to apply for the US license, would the age requirement be 16 or 17?
Thank you very much in advance for any help. If I didn't give enough detail somewhere, I would be happy to clarify.
Thanks again.
If I had to apply for the US license, would the age requirement be 16 or 17?
Thank you very much in advance for any help. If I didn't give enough detail somewhere, I would be happy to clarify.
Thanks again.
Thanks Squeaks....I suspected as such.
Stringfellow / Aerobot / FSXPilot: any comments?
And as for Toptobottom: another wise, knowledgeable comment. You and Ifresh are good "aviator" companions methinks. Same wavelength anyway......
Ifresh - might I suggest you pick another helicopter web site. I hear the previous duchess of York set one up over there in the US about 5 yrs ago. It's full of the sort of stuff you are talking about. But get your parents permission this time - yes?
Stringfellow / Aerobot / FSXPilot: any comments?
And as for Toptobottom: another wise, knowledgeable comment. You and Ifresh are good "aviator" companions methinks. Same wavelength anyway......
Ifresh - might I suggest you pick another helicopter web site. I hear the previous duchess of York set one up over there in the US about 5 yrs ago. It's full of the sort of stuff you are talking about. But get your parents permission this time - yes?
TC - thanks for the compliment; listen, learn and try to keep up
Ifresh - there's a lot of 'holier than thou' arrogance on this thread; don't be put off by TC and other cab drivers who seem to have rather unfortunate personality defects. Keep asking the questions - there are a lot of mature contributors on here that have a lot more respect and who are keen to help you
Ifresh - there's a lot of 'holier than thou' arrogance on this thread; don't be put off by TC and other cab drivers who seem to have rather unfortunate personality defects. Keep asking the questions - there are a lot of mature contributors on here that have a lot more respect and who are keen to help you