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Old 25th Dec 2006, 09:45
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Gordy, why would anyone go to all the trouble to fake a picture that, as Remote Hook points out, is common practice in Canada. I ( and most VFR/Mountain guys) have done this on a regular basis. Most Canadian operators have an "Ops Spec" that is in place for just this reason.
You think this is something for a Longranger? I wish I had pics of all the similar pickups I did in 204's and 212's.
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Old 25th Dec 2006, 10:21
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Snow pics!

Great photo's guys! keep them coming!
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Old 25th Dec 2006, 12:16
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I understand that Airwolf, or one of the two heli's that was used for Airwolf is on Danish register. OY-HIG ..

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Old 25th Dec 2006, 15:15
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Originally Posted by Outwest
Gordy, why would anyone go to all the trouble to fake a picture that, as Remote Hook points out, is common practice in Canada. I ( and most VFR/Mountain guys) have done this on a regular basis. Most Canadian operators have an "Ops Spec" that is in place for just this reason.
You think this is something for a Longranger? I wish I had pics of all the similar pickups I did in 204's and 212's.
Just for fun? Who knows, and who really cares. I like to play with photo shop as much as the next guy:

I am not disputing that this work takes place on a daily basis, I have seen it done in a 500. I have personally never done it. My ONLY contribution to this argument, is that I fell that one picture is false. I'll buy off on the pitot tube and tree in the windshield, but, I still cannot figure out why the lower half of 2 of the letters in the registration number are missing, that's all.
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Old 25th Dec 2006, 15:24
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Letters are not missing, just blended in with the surrounding colours... for the same reason as black colour plays with the light, just like on this photo, the black is not so much of a dark colour if you look at the curves...


I don't understand, why you bother so much with such a real photo. Helicopters have been touching hills with skids for decades...
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Old 25th Dec 2006, 15:38
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OK, ok ok----I still think the letters are not blended---my personal opinion, but if it makes everyone feel better then ITS REAL. Like I said before and keep saying......I do NOT dispute that its done on a daily basis. Any way, I have more important things to do than sit and argue over the legitimacy of a photograph.

Hope you all have a wonderful xmas.

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Old 25th Dec 2006, 16:00
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You too...

I think I've eaten myself into the S-61 in the last two days....

RH
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Old 26th Dec 2006, 09:49
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Hostile......Are you related to doggy?
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Old 26th Dec 2006, 19:32
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James Bay Daze

Some photos from James Bay Daze:


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Old 26th Dec 2006, 19:36
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Old 26th Dec 2006, 23:43
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Christmas logging in B.C.

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Old 27th Dec 2006, 00:46
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Ah, NML...I stuck the Arriel in that one , too long ago, back when we were pulling the LTS out. I hear some are going the other way these days.
Great shots! What year was that
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Old 27th Dec 2006, 02:41
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photoshop

I think the problem is that Gordy drew a line from the bottom of the ship across the chin bubble. They are a couple inches lower than the skin of the belly on some jet rangers. So that created a gap where the leaves can be seen between his line and the belly. Then I think the letters just curve under the belly. Just to drag this on a bit more...
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Old 27th Dec 2006, 06:43
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When and where.

Originally Posted by Encyclo
Ah, NML...I stuck the Arriel in that one , too long ago, back when we were pulling the LTS out. I hear some are going the other way these days.
Great shots! What year was that
Looking in the old log book it appears to be Sept - Oct 1987.


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Old 27th Dec 2006, 06:43
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That one of Mexico City a couple of pages back is a bit of a worry - imagine coming home from the pub after a few and trying to find your house!
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Old 27th Dec 2006, 23:41
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Originally Posted by Gordy
"You "experts" kill me....
All I did was say "that" picture was a fake in my opinion. There is a peice of the aircraft missing. Try to read the aircraft # C-??VD, where is the lower portion of the letters. I still think "that' picture is a fake.
A subtle difference is that between a fake and an altered image. Given the difficulty of reading the registration, this may have been an intentional blur/change to give the aircraft some minor level of anonymity. There is some white going onto the chin bubble - i'll get the people with more time on their hands determine if that's got an innocent explanation!
Tap in 206L or 206L-3 into the transport canada site and there's nothing obvious that looks like that registration at the moment. Nothing in g-info to cover the first letter being G. So, there's the new challenge - name that 206L!! (Geologist readers might like to tell us where it's likely to be.)
BTW, it's also quite easy to accidentally mangle images without even realising if you've got them open in photoshop/etc. A crap input device like a laptop's mousepad can assist in making these blunders and if you've already changed it (something innocent like an auto level) then you may well save out the blunder.
Then again, perhaps previous landing was heavy onto a boulder and that just dented it? After that you'd want to re-register the aircraft
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Old 28th Dec 2006, 06:45
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Originally Posted by FairWeatherFlyer
So, there's the new challenge - name that 206L!! (Geologist readers might like to tell us where it's likely to be.)
The machine registration is C-GBVD.Its owned and operated by E&B Helicopters.Good company and the boys do that kinda work daily in their operations.
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Old 28th Dec 2006, 11:48
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Originally Posted by Gordy
"You "experts" kill me....
This is a standard p/u and d/o procedure here in Canada, and I'm sure elsewhere too. I probably did this several hundred times this summer alone... I know Steve, who he works for, and they type of work he does - it's real."
I personally never said that the procedure is not done---I have seen it done. All I did was say "that" picture was a fake in my opinion. There is a peice of the aircraft missing. Try to read the aircraft # C-??VD, where is the lower portion of the letters. I still think "that' picture is a fake.
No, it's not a fake Gordy.
The reason for the part of the image being "missing" as you call it is simple. It's simply a camera blur. Happens frequently in low light situations and in particular if the subject is moving slightly or the photographer moves the camera just as he/she snaps the photgraph and NO, the whole image doesn't have to be blurred, just a tiny part of it may. That's what happened here. And you cannot always see the blur.
(I thought you said you knew Photo Shop? If you did, you'd know this already)
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That isn't a "bent tree" in the background, either. It's a shadowed gap in the foliage.
You really need to brush up on your photo analyst skills.
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Old 28th Dec 2006, 15:42
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Originally Posted by 13snoopy
No, it's not a fake Gordy.
NO, the whole image doesn't have to be blurred, just a tiny part of it may.
Motion blur is motion blur, there's no mystery there. You could work out camera shutter speed from the blur on rotors and relative subject/camera/background motion is visually obvious. They'd be no reason to suspect the cabin floor to be significantly moving/vibrating on its own? The only localalised effects i'd expect would be heat haze and we all know where that should be.

At the risk of almost getting back on topic, the canadians do like putting their registration in a difficult-to-read-from-the-side place on the 206L, see this similar example for the text on a curve effect:
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/0980704/L/
If you look at the underside of that 206L, it's not flat as i'd assumed (are they all like this?) so with a low resolution image and the eye's habit of assuming one dark patch and another dark patch match, i'd agree the image may well have been not retouched.

Did anyone spot Santa in the back?
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Old 28th Dec 2006, 16:06
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Originally Posted by 13snoopy
No, it's not a fake Gordy.
(I thought you said you knew Photo Shop? If you did, you'd know this already)
You really need to brush up on your photo analyst skills.
Never said I "knew" Photo Shop, or that I was a photo analyst. what I said was:

Originally Posted by Gordy
I like to play with photo shop as much as the next guy:
I was just posting my opinion on a photograph that was being discussed.

Before you all get bent out of shape---what follows is my feeble attempt at humor:

It is REAL, you are all gods gift to helicopter flying, photo shop analylizing and detective work Have I stroked ya'lls ego enough now. Drop it. I really don't care anymore. I'm done with this subject.
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