The scene is set - incl Low Flying rules and Is there a 'cultural divide'?

[rotorspin]

TOT - you seem to be p**sed off at the actions of this pilot and rightly so! So for the sake of the rest of us do something about it.

If the R22 is privately owned then that is one thing, however if it belongs to a flying school then I would mention it to them...

Students do some of the stupidist things..and they will have the records to show who was flying...may do us all a favour.

[lartsa]

john/twotbags
i know who tot is and i can assure you that tot would not be jealous of anyone flying a robbie ive seen tot in md 902,600,500,520,enstromwhole range j/r infact the whole shooting match

hold it a moment disregard that tot would be jealous of anyone in a r22 as there is no way he would fit in one and if he did squeze in one it would be too heavy to lift Lol

[paco]

Wasn't there a Rule 5 somewhere?

Phil

[thecontroller]

if the R22 pilot is out there, then come forward with your version of events please!

[Heliport]

chester2005

If this is true surely someone will have noted the registration for forwarding to the CAA?

As it happened in the UK, there's a very high chance someone (or several) did.


TOT

"in a small car parking space
ALONG SIDE side the cars"

If you were so bothered about that (enough to tell everyone on the forum about it), why didn't you introduce yourself as a fellow pilot and tell him in a friendly pilot-to-pilot way?
If your concern was valid, he would have had a chance to learn from it.
If he disagreed with your opinion, you could just agree to differ.

Drinks a beer
wanders back to the car park
and flies away.

Same question.
Why didn't you speak to him and discuss it?
If it was normal beer (not the non-alcoholic copy) it might have deterred him from taking off, or from doing it again, for flight safety and 'image' reasons.
Even if non-alcoholic, it might have made him consider the 'image' aspect in future.


paco
Which part of Rule 5 have you got in mind?
The 500' requirement doesn't apply to landing and taking off or we'd be in breach at many private sites.



Heliport

[HELOFAN]

Maybe it was non alcoholic beer tha he had prearranged with the manager...who knows he may be a diabetic & cant drink the real stuff?? !!!



MAYbe that was his 7th or 9th pub on the way home?


Maybe he didnt care about other peoples cars, thats why he flys.


I dont think its a good thing knocking one down then jumping back in , maybe if he didnt draw so much attention to himself prior to the beer ( landing right there ) that no one would have known.

Maybe he thought it was 8 minutes from bottle to throttle not 8 hrs. its a common mistake when you are a little pissed !


Ammendment to HELOFAN'S personal rules #3....
Thou shalt not fly in R22's
(no matter of colour even yellow ones)



HF

[MD900 Explorer]

Different slant

Guys,

Just a small observation. It seems like there are some cultural acceptances here round the world for what is acceptable and what is not relating to wether one should drink and fly.

But how many can put their hands up and say they flew the next morning hanging out of their back sides, because they were in the bar the night before getting trashed..

I would say that there is a fair few where this is true.

MD

[Helipolarbear]

T he 'Scene is set'.............but maybe it was a non-alcoholic beer! Imagine that!!!

[John Eacott]

Originally Posted by lartsa

john/twotbags
i know who tot is and i can assure you that tot would not be jealous of anyone flying a robbie ive seen tot in md 902,600,500,520,enstromwhole range j/r infact the whole shooting match

hold it a moment disregard that tot would be jealous of anyone in a r22 as there is no way he would fit in one and if he did squeze in one it would be too heavy to lift Lol

lartsa,

Thanks for the verification of TOT: unfortunately I can only go on his history, which shows a propensity of posting a contentious opening line, then failing to reappear and verify the accusation; check his posting history. There is a similar trawl on D & G at the moment which went to five pages of accusations against the Coffs Harbour Council airport, until the council responded negating the accusation. Guess what, there is no one coming forward to verify the original accuser nor the accusation

I find the concept of an R22 landing amongst cars in a full pub car park, as stated, to be slightly strange. No one came to bail up the pilot for being too close to their car? The publican blithly accepted a strange visitor to his premises and served him a pint, then watched him go on his way? What about the tables and pub full of patrons: not one of them bothered enough to say or do anything?

I said in my first post that

I'd be a bit concerned if someone landed close to cars/objects/people in a car park

, and that stands. But the self righteousness of TOT and the lack of verification concerns me, along with the grandstanding that goes on with the assumption that everything reported is factually 100% correct.

[LIMIT NOT TARGET]

With all this debating going on, has anyone stopped to think that the poor pilot has to fly to the pub because he has no car licence due to a DUI.
Give the pilot a chance.
Hey its your shout co-pilot.

[metalman]

set the scene

Hello Everyone,

I am the pilot who along with my mate decided to call into the pub at the side of the A40 a couple of weeks ago,I cannot believe all of the bull**** that has been printed with regard to my "pitstop" along with the views of all you (so called) super pilots out there,however I now realise and understand how rumour's start,let us begin by not letting the truth get in the way of a good story.

Let me explain the events of that day,but first of all allow me to tell you of my experience i am 60 years old and have been flying for the past twenty five years,i have more that 6000 hrs on fix wing and 1000 hours rotary,300 of them were aquired on the Robbo 22 within the last twelve months,on the day in question we were returing to swansea from wellesbourne pushing a 35knot headwind we were both tired and thirsty when we spotted what we thought was a suitable pub to have a coffe and a sandwich,we made an approach and landed on some grassy ground in front of the car park,there was plenty of room and was in my opinion a safe although some (inexperienced) pilots would say "tight" spot to land. The landord made us very welcome and invited both myself and any of my friends to visit at anytime,he pointed out that he also owned the field next door.(which is big enough for anyone)

I can highly reccomend the restaurant,the food is excellent and people are friendly,if you get an opportunity please go and have whatever takes your fancy,say hello to Stephen and Joanna for me ther name of the restaurant is the Hardwick,it's on the old Raglan Road, Abergavenny,Telephone no 01873854623,or you could email them on [email protected].

I had a sandwich and a lemonade followed by a coffee,my mate had a glass of wine and she also had a sandwich,no alcohol whatsoever!!!!!!!

I hope this has'nt spoilt a good story for all you sad bored people out there!!!!!
Why not go and have some fun instead of sitting at your computers inventing stories?

[lartsa]

this has to be a wind up in the uk pilots dont just see a pub and go in for a drink of coffee and a sarni without permission from the land owner

tot is this the same pub or what ?
i may stand corrected but do others make a habit of landing at places unknown unanounced ?

its august 1st on tuesday not april 1st

[PITCH LINK]

sounds like a good reason to have a break. I'm familar with the area and the pub in question but dont you think it would have been safer to land in the private strip directly opposite the pub! Just as nice chap and licenced.

[thecontroller]

fair enough.

but... what if the pub landlord and come out screaming and shouting, and made a complaint to the CAA about you landing without the landowners permison? seems like a gamble to me

royston - you said in a post in nov 2004 you had 4000 hours fixed wing, and now you have 6000 hours. thats an average of 95 hours flown a month since nov 2004. out of interest - how did you manage that? sounds like an awfully lot.

[lartsa]

by royston on 23 nov 2004 I have 4000hrs on fixed wing and 600 rorary with 120gliding,as far as i am concerned the CAA safety evening are a total waste of time as they are all about the two people that present them

so that means in 20 months you have amassed 2,400 hours which is 120 per month
are you sure

[Bright-Ling]

awww bless

don't be like that boysand girls - it must be the alzeimers that is affecting his maths!

35 kts headwind blah blah - complete TOSH.

YOU are ruining it for the rest of the considerate world who fly nicely!

Another doddery old 60yr old muppet. Great. That's OK then.

Ggrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

B-L

[Bronx]

Is it the law in Britain that you have to get the landowner's permission before you can legally land at a private site?

Can you be prosecuted if you don't and the UK CAA gets to hear of it?
Even if it was in a field miles from anywhere and some hiker reported you?

What's the offense?

Maybe one of the critics on this thread can take a break from criticizing and explain.


Anyways, if he didn't drink what's all the huff and puff about.
Who cares if he had permission if the landlord didn't complain.
Seems to me the only one who cared was TOT.

B.

[metalman]

thats quite correct i have amassed thousands of hours because i fly a lot,something you lot ought to be doing instead of spending time inventing stories, the facts again (for those of you not quite up to understanding my last explanation) the site appeared to be able to accomodate helicopters,it could.The landlord welcomed me warmly in fact told me to drop (with my friends) at anytime,no alcohol was consumed,(exept by the passenger) i cannot see what law (if any) was broken i must be missing something here, what is the problem? it was (as it turned out) a bone fida helicopter site,so my judgement was correct on all counts ,god lads what world do you all live in?
If any of you do decide to drop in, for gods sake ger real lighten up be happy and have fun (remember that!!!!!!!!!!!)
just for the record i did'nt realise that there was an airfield just up the road,nevertheless i would still be happy to land again at this restaurant site!!!!!!!!!

[verticalhold]

OK. In with both feet. You never asked for permission. Big no-no. So you got a nice welcome. Nobody should try and land without the landowners' prior permission. You didn't know there was an airfield/ airstrip just up the road, inspires great confidence in your airmanship, planning and execution of the flight. As for the queries on this thread about your hours 120 a month is a huge amount especially allowing for those months when you can't fly four hours a day due to bad weather.

[Bright-Ling]

Don't fall in the trap....

IT WAS ME!

I have done 10000000 hrs since Jan (busy old month on the Robbo)

I am 21 (don't look a day of it)

We consumed loads of Bollinger

Blah Blah

The guy is either made up (more than likely) or a complete plonker. I go with the first line - and I hope that TOT files on the **********