The scene is set - incl Low Flying rules and Is there a 'cultural divide'?
Are Quickstops a flight maneuver? After all the intent is not to "Takeoff" but one does a what would be a takeoff transistion prior to those infamous words of "Quick Stop, Quick Stop, Go!" (British Style Quick Stop).
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"Quick Stop, Quick Stop, Go!"
that is such a silly thing to say. the first time my old instructor said that i almost pissed myself laughing...
the UK has some daft things in its heli flying 'syllabus'. like the "HASEL" checks. you almost have to start them on upwind to give yourself time for the maneuver
that is such a silly thing to say. the first time my old instructor said that i almost pissed myself laughing...
the UK has some daft things in its heli flying 'syllabus'. like the "HASEL" checks. you almost have to start them on upwind to give yourself time for the maneuver
Execution of maneuver matters not....but uttering the CFS Gregorian Chants correctly is the standard by which success is determined. (NOT!)
Want to confuse an CFS QHI....call for a Quick Stop Maneuver upon Training Captain's call....and listen as he regurgitates that chant thenbegins the maneuver.....rather than just simply executing the maneuver when requested without the chant.
Fecking Cookbook Pilots!
Want to confuse an CFS QHI....call for a Quick Stop Maneuver upon Training Captain's call....and listen as he regurgitates that chant thenbegins the maneuver.....rather than just simply executing the maneuver when requested without the chant.
Fecking Cookbook Pilots!
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Once again a reasonable thread has developed a cultural divide with the Aussies looking past the sensibilities of the 'british prats' as the Chairknob of the bored so kindly described us poms. As a young pommie I worked as a Jackeroo (a stockman or cowboy for those that don't know) on three different cattle stations all over the Queesland bush and met some solid and sound blokes, it's a shame that there's always a few all mouth and no trousers characters in any culture, casually insulting whilst tapping keys yet strangely silent in the flesh. Aussie posturing aside, there really isn't much, bar skippy, to crash into or onto and therefore there is an element of 'getting away with it' bravado that is unacceptable on this crowded island. The simple fact of the matter is that we don't know anything about this pilot's circumstance from whether he owned the land to a non-alcoholic beer. However, car parks have children (largely facsinated by and unaware of helicopter safety) and as most of us know, choppers have a beautiful nack of biting you in the arse when you least expect it and shredding your cool arrival alongside potential vehicles and humans that consequently we in SAR or the fine people in HEMS will have to pick up the bodily parts or bits and pieces. Learn by other's mistakes as you won't live long enough to make them all yourself.
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Once again .......... a cultural divide with the Aussies?
From what I've seen over the years, when there are signs of a cultural divide in discussions in this forum, it tends to be between Brits and the rest of the world.
The sound of Brits pointing out that a pilot has or might have infringed some rule or other is sometimes matched by the sound of groans and yawns from posters from other parts of the world.
And some imaginative suggestions made about what might have gone wrong (but didn't) would be worthy of tabloid journos.
(Exceptions among Brits and non-Brits, of course.)
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You can't be serious! 
What's the difference between "takeoff and landing" (FAR) and "landing and taking-off in accordance with normal aviation practice" (CAA)?
B.
Just seen you've deleted your post.
Maybe you weren't serious.
Or did you have second thoughts about what you wrote?
if it's not in exercises 1-27 then it's probably not normal aviation practice.
What's the difference between "takeoff and landing" (FAR) and "landing and taking-off in accordance with normal aviation practice" (CAA)?
B.
Just seen you've deleted your post.
Maybe you weren't serious.
Or did you have second thoughts about what you wrote?
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Holy crap....
Hold on a minute...lessee if I got this straight:
A guy stops along the way for bite to eat and a little refreshment in what sounds, by all accounts to be an acceptable LZ ....and it merits this amount of navel gazing and rule quoting....
Christ....where has all the fun gone?
I'm gonna have cold frosty and climb in my float plane (PA-12) and enjoy the sunset up here where we still have a bit of freedom.....Canada.
Loosen up for god's sake before the entire industry is polluted with little ole women spouting rules and standing on holier than thou soap boxes.
A guy stops along the way for bite to eat and a little refreshment in what sounds, by all accounts to be an acceptable LZ ....and it merits this amount of navel gazing and rule quoting....
Christ....where has all the fun gone?
I'm gonna have cold frosty and climb in my float plane (PA-12) and enjoy the sunset up here where we still have a bit of freedom.....Canada.
Loosen up for god's sake before the entire industry is polluted with little ole women spouting rules and standing on holier than thou soap boxes.
Exit 72, Interstate 5, Washington State....The Ribeye Restaurant....just after Sunrise.
Me..."'Scuse Me Guv...me and me mates reckon you do the best breakfast in the county...mind if I park me sky skooter in yer garden for a bit while we have our tucker?
The Guv...."Hell no...no at all....do you realize how much business you brought me when you landed and all the folks saw the helicopter? To the waitress...."Sally...his breakfast is on me!"
Some kids got to sit in the helicopter and get a good talk about flying...I got a second cup of coffee to drink while doing that for them and the pleasure of seeing little ones smile and giggle....the only folks that got miffed were the passengers when they found out they paid for their chow and I did not.
Helicopter flying is supposed to be fun....and different. If you are one of the Grinch's that steal that from others....you ought to consider alternative employment.
Me..."'Scuse Me Guv...me and me mates reckon you do the best breakfast in the county...mind if I park me sky skooter in yer garden for a bit while we have our tucker?
The Guv...."Hell no...no at all....do you realize how much business you brought me when you landed and all the folks saw the helicopter? To the waitress...."Sally...his breakfast is on me!"
Some kids got to sit in the helicopter and get a good talk about flying...I got a second cup of coffee to drink while doing that for them and the pleasure of seeing little ones smile and giggle....the only folks that got miffed were the passengers when they found out they paid for their chow and I did not.
Helicopter flying is supposed to be fun....and different. If you are one of the Grinch's that steal that from others....you ought to consider alternative employment.
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Torquestripe and Sasless...
Whew..just when I thought all the fun had been drained from aviation, I find at least a couple others who are enjoying it!
For the others..i suggest you head down to your local flying club and rent yourself out a little bug-smasher and try and remember what first captivated you all those years ago!
It was a glorious sunset this evening...touch down to an almost glassy lake ...
Gonna take the kids up tomorrow as well as some of their friends and spread the gospel according to Wright maybe a little from the Book of Igor. And yes...I might have a frosty between flights. (Note the 'a' and not 'some')
Gotta have some fun before I'm due back in the 2 by 12!
Whew..just when I thought all the fun had been drained from aviation, I find at least a couple others who are enjoying it!
For the others..i suggest you head down to your local flying club and rent yourself out a little bug-smasher and try and remember what first captivated you all those years ago!
It was a glorious sunset this evening...touch down to an almost glassy lake
...Gonna take the kids up tomorrow as well as some of their friends and spread the gospel according to Wright maybe a little from the Book of Igor. And yes...I might have a frosty between flights. (Note the 'a' and not 'some')
Gotta have some fun before I'm due back in the 2 by 12!
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The cultural divide.
Britain = petty, awkward, officious, over regulated, over taxed, over populated, small minded, nosey, bossy, bigoted, insular, killjoy population in a dull, wet, windy cold miserable climate ruled by stupid ineffective arrogant deceitful corrupt politicians who want to be American but arent. Is it any wonder we are out of step with the rest of the world?
Worst of all I actually like it here.
Britain = petty, awkward, officious, over regulated, over taxed, over populated, small minded, nosey, bossy, bigoted, insular, killjoy population in a dull, wet, windy cold miserable climate ruled by stupid ineffective arrogant deceitful corrupt politicians who want to be American but arent. Is it any wonder we are out of step with the rest of the world?
Worst of all I actually like it here.
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Not so bad in blighty,
Flying through North Wales in an R22, getting blown round in the hills, felt sick so needed to land. Landed next to waht I thought was a youth Hostel, turned out to be a nice hotel/restaurant.
They came out, were chuffed to see me arrive and create a bit of excitement for the guests, got a free lunch and a couple of hours later revived and resfeshed went on my way.
Way I see people are people, you'll get t*ssers all around the world who'll complain and hospitable people too, can't see what geography has to do with it.
Happy to fly anywhere
Flying through North Wales in an R22, getting blown round in the hills, felt sick so needed to land. Landed next to waht I thought was a youth Hostel, turned out to be a nice hotel/restaurant.
They came out, were chuffed to see me arrive and create a bit of excitement for the guests, got a free lunch and a couple of hours later revived and resfeshed went on my way.
Way I see people are people, you'll get t*ssers all around the world who'll complain and hospitable people too, can't see what geography has to do with it.
Happy to fly anywhere
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Sadly there are people everywhere, that as soon as a helicopter lands somewhere that might be of question decide that it is automatically illegal or wrong. It is not confined to the UK by a long stretch.
There is a bakery outside San Diego in the tiny town of Santa Ysabel where those in the rotary world land in the car park and can go in and get breakfast or whatever they desire.
We landed there once, just as a Sheriff was driving down the road. He raced in to the car park lights blazing and after we shut down approached us with hand on gun. We climbed out and he proceeded to give us the ninth degree and claimed that the owner of the property had written a letter to them asking them to cite anyone for trespass who landed at the bakery. He wrote down certificate numbers, N number and everything else he could think of.
Unluckily for him the guy I was flying with is rather well connected in the social circles and a quick phone call revealed that the Sheriff was apparently making up his own laws and that the land owner new nothing of the forementioned letter.
In fact he said he was more than happy for people to land there as it was good for business and he wanted everyone to enjoy his property and what there is there to offer.
Needless to say nothing more was ever heard about it.
There is a bakery outside San Diego in the tiny town of Santa Ysabel where those in the rotary world land in the car park and can go in and get breakfast or whatever they desire.
We landed there once, just as a Sheriff was driving down the road. He raced in to the car park lights blazing and after we shut down approached us with hand on gun. We climbed out and he proceeded to give us the ninth degree and claimed that the owner of the property had written a letter to them asking them to cite anyone for trespass who landed at the bakery. He wrote down certificate numbers, N number and everything else he could think of.
Unluckily for him the guy I was flying with is rather well connected in the social circles and a quick phone call revealed that the Sheriff was apparently making up his own laws and that the land owner new nothing of the forementioned letter.
In fact he said he was more than happy for people to land there as it was good for business and he wanted everyone to enjoy his property and what there is there to offer.
Needless to say nothing more was ever heard about it.
As I landed outside the Regional Office to pick up my executives....at the end of a cul-de-sac with no buildings near it....up slides a State Police car with the lights flashing. My immediate thought was it was off to the cells for me in that we had procrastinated in seeking permission for such landings (read that meaning we had never even considered asking....). The two Hiway Manoleum's approached the aircraft with radio in hand and I waved them to my door where upon I asked what I could do for them.
They quickly told me someone had shot at a fellow Trooper and could they charter my aircraft for a search. Alas, I had to tell them we were not an Air Taxi operator and were not authorized to do such things for hire. I did tell them to load up, strap in, and let's get cracking and there would be no charge, fee, nor expense incurred.
After a fruitless search....we landed back at the airport for fuel....walked around to the State Police Airplane hangar and had a cup of coffee. A short flight back to their car, a handshake, picked up the Executives and off to work.
We had a fine working relationship with the local Police from that point forward and did several community service flights looking for lost little ones and similar events.
They quickly told me someone had shot at a fellow Trooper and could they charter my aircraft for a search. Alas, I had to tell them we were not an Air Taxi operator and were not authorized to do such things for hire. I did tell them to load up, strap in, and let's get cracking and there would be no charge, fee, nor expense incurred.
After a fruitless search....we landed back at the airport for fuel....walked around to the State Police Airplane hangar and had a cup of coffee. A short flight back to their car, a handshake, picked up the Executives and off to work.
We had a fine working relationship with the local Police from that point forward and did several community service flights looking for lost little ones and similar events.
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Good pic Slackman.
Muffin
I can understand 'live' (even though I don't share your view), but 'fly'?
What do you think is so good about flying in the UK compared with the rest of the world?
Muffin
I would much rather live and fly here than anywhere else in the world.
What do you think is so good about flying in the UK compared with the rest of the world?
Slacks,
Must be the Kiwi women are better drivers than here in the USA....try that here and you would have some bent fenders before the lunch was downed!
Must be the Kiwi women are better drivers than here in the USA....try that here and you would have some bent fenders before the lunch was downed!
