CABAIR - General discussion for those involved.
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From: Sunny Cotswolds
How to pay
The rules for a prospective pilot should always be adhered to
1) Pay by credit card (and try to avoid any surcharge for doing so)
2) If you have cash, pay the cash into your credit card account and revert to 1)
3) If you have a bank overdraft and chequebook to spend it, read 2) and write chq to CC company then revert to 1)
This way you are protected if and when they go bust as I'm afraid others will do so this winter then you can get the card co to give it you back
1) Pay by credit card (and try to avoid any surcharge for doing so)
2) If you have cash, pay the cash into your credit card account and revert to 1)
3) If you have a bank overdraft and chequebook to spend it, read 2) and write chq to CC company then revert to 1)
This way you are protected if and when they go bust as I'm afraid others will do so this winter then you can get the card co to give it you back
Joined: Sep 2011
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From: Uk
Its not so estrange. Ig I have q company and the last 2 months the things was wrong I would never mentioned this things if I would like start again with the news investors. Otherwise I can get more students on the different assestments around the country but sincerely I think this is not the best way, I think the best way is change location, planes, Name of the company and get a own mantainance because after I have been on uk I ve seen on uk plane has a very bad mantainance (like an africans)
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From: UK
Met a current student last week. He carried 3 stripes, so he obviously had passed stage 3 (I believe they call it PT3 there). He was about to start on the twin, followed by IR routes and then the 170A. This guy had paid an extra £6K to complete the course and said this still worked out cheaper than Oxford.
He also mentioned that the MCC course is now done on a B737 sim near Gatwick (?) and I wonder whether FL500 have an input in this.
He also mentioned that the MCC course is now done on a B737 sim near Gatwick (?) and I wonder whether FL500 have an input in this.
Joined: Mar 2007
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From: Somewhere
Well, lets not forget that the old Cabair had shares in Woldwide Holdings. When they went under, they also pulled other companies under with them. (Cabair) EPTA in Bournemouth has now ceased trading as a result and has gone into adminstration. Yes I filled out the form Monday this week to try get some money back....but really do not think that I will!
EPTA will not be reopening as far as I am aware. Shame as the ground school was amazing....
So Cabair has turned out to be a very costly exercise for me and I wish that I had gone else where for my flight training. But There we go....one just has to move forward and try again...lesson is, don't pay up front for any course unless you have some sort of insurance.
I personally would steer well clear of Cabair Cranfield as I don't think that they will be around too long....lets face it, if they have messed things up once, they will do it again as the managers have already proven that they can't do their jobs properly.
Also there is underlying deceit - Check the website, no mention of the problems, and claims to have a long and positive history.....all bull!!!!! of course....lol
EPTA will not be reopening as far as I am aware. Shame as the ground school was amazing....
So Cabair has turned out to be a very costly exercise for me and I wish that I had gone else where for my flight training. But There we go....one just has to move forward and try again...lesson is, don't pay up front for any course unless you have some sort of insurance.
I personally would steer well clear of Cabair Cranfield as I don't think that they will be around too long....lets face it, if they have messed things up once, they will do it again as the managers have already proven that they can't do their jobs properly.
Also there is underlying deceit - Check the website, no mention of the problems, and claims to have a long and positive history.....all bull!!!!! of course....lol
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From: UK
28th January 2012, 0930 hrs.
Cranfield Seminar - book while you can, seats going fast.
Integrated Initial Assessment
Don't forget your chequebooks - deal available for that day only... that's what my independent financial advisor said to me 15 years ago when I was duped into a pension scheme. Now worth 40% of total contribution over time. Thankfully, he is not homeless but can only extend his Fulham mews house upwards. He is not rich enough to move to Buckinghamshire.
Has anyone heard anything about this bunch from the CAA? Any health warnings? Anything you would expect a conscientious regulator might feel is in their remit to contain?
Cranfield Seminar - book while you can, seats going fast.
Integrated Initial Assessment
Don't forget your chequebooks - deal available for that day only... that's what my independent financial advisor said to me 15 years ago when I was duped into a pension scheme. Now worth 40% of total contribution over time. Thankfully, he is not homeless but can only extend his Fulham mews house upwards. He is not rich enough to move to Buckinghamshire.
Has anyone heard anything about this bunch from the CAA? Any health warnings? Anything you would expect a conscientious regulator might feel is in their remit to contain?
Joined: Oct 2010
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From: UK
My mistake - if you go to that link I gave earlier, the 'What would be your ideal course start date?' filter only offers 2011 dates.
Bummer.
You have all missed the opportunity to pay into the Cabair widows' and orphans' fund. And the opportunity to increase it by £6000 because you are so happy with its previous performance.
Bummer.
You have all missed the opportunity to pay into the Cabair widows' and orphans' fund. And the opportunity to increase it by £6000 because you are so happy with its previous performance.
Joined: Aug 2003
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From: UK
Alarm bells should have been ringing sooner
There's a legal requirement (Companies Act 2006) that a company's website should include details about its company registration number and registered office. Can't find these on Cabair International Aviation. The absence of such basic information makes it difficult to check the credentials of any organisation that you're considering undertaking business with.
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From: UK
gpn01 - good point, whois search on cabair.com reveals:
Registrant:
The Cabair Group Ltd
Elstree Aerodrome
Borehamwood
.
HERTS, . WD6 3AW
UK
Domain name: CABAIR.COM
Administrative Contact:
Mullen, Adrian
Elstree Aerodrome
Elstree
BOREHAMWOOD, WD6 3AW
GB
Judging from business acumen previously demonstrated this is probably an administrative oversight. There is a lacking in guile with these jokers.
However, bear in mind the Companies Act 2006 was amended by Blair's cretins so it is bound to be flawed. The same crowd that made the CAA a monopolistic agency.
Registrant:
The Cabair Group Ltd
Elstree Aerodrome
Borehamwood
.
HERTS, . WD6 3AW
UK
Domain name: CABAIR.COM
Administrative Contact:
Mullen, Adrian
Elstree Aerodrome
Elstree
BOREHAMWOOD, WD6 3AW
GB
Judging from business acumen previously demonstrated this is probably an administrative oversight. There is a lacking in guile with these jokers.
However, bear in mind the Companies Act 2006 was amended by Blair's cretins so it is bound to be flawed. The same crowd that made the CAA a monopolistic agency.
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From: UK
Which goes to show why company information should be clearly shown on a website as "The Cabair Group Ltd" is a different registered company from "Cabair International Aviation Ltd" which is, in turn, a seperate legal entity from the various other "Cabair" registerd companies.
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From: Mare Nostrum
Roadshow
A young guy who recently went to one of their roadshows said that Cabair was really pushing the integrated course to the time of £80,000 up front. They barely made any reference to modular training (and they definitely didn't mention the cost of modular).
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From: Dorking, England
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From: S.E.
I have been informed that Aviation Career Associates Ltd. is expected to be liquididated. At present there is a proposal to strike this company off the company register. This action has been suspended untill June 2012 so hopefully receivers will be apointed and staff will be able to make a claim for salaries owed under the goverment scheme.
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From: UK
"Cabair News"
The story Cabair have published is a careful choice of words. It ignores the fact that Cabair International Aviation Ltd was already in administration by the time CCAT was placed in administration and that several other Cabair companies have been placed in administration.
It mentions modular but nothing about it's Wycombe operation or Bournemouth. Do we assume this means the only thing to be saved is the business that was CCAT?
It mentions modular but nothing about it's Wycombe operation or Bournemouth. Do we assume this means the only thing to be saved is the business that was CCAT?
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From: UK
Wycombe Air Centre is now completely removed from any association with Cabair.
Earlier this week, it was taken over by Arora Family Trust - the parent company of Wycombe Air Park (and Airways Flying Club) operator, Airways Aero Associations Ltd.
I believe the plan will be for WAC to look after commercial training and AFC to do the PPL/hire side of things.
Press release:
Changes in the air at Wycombe Air Park
More good news in these austere times. The previously family-owned FTO called Wycombe Air Centre (WAC), which has latterly been part of the Cabair group, has been rescued by Surinder Arora, whose Family Trust is owner of the airfield operator, Airways Aero Associations (AAA).
The combination of Wycombe Air Centre’s commercial flight training programmes with AAA’s 63 years old Airways Flying Club private flying and training activities will create a formidable force to be reckoned with. The engineering expertise of the two companies will remain in place, delivering services for Cessna, Piper, Beechcraft, de Havilland and Tecnam.
The acquisition of Wycombe Air Centre with its access to the experience and aircraft fleet of AAA, will hopefully allow an increase in commercial pilot training at the airfield. The Airways Flying Club’s well known rallies, outings and social activities will now also have a larger clientele.
A new company name will soon appear on people’s lips, too. Booker Aircraft Operations Limited will be the umbrella under which the various flying disciplines, the aircraft operations and the engineering will be run. Fortunately, for both Club members and commercial customers, links with such long histories will not disappear as the names of Wycombe Air Centre and Airways Flying Club will not change.
AAA reports that it is business as usual with all other Wycombe Air Park activities with both Air Traffic Control and Rescue & Fire-fighting facilities in particular remaining in place.
Earlier this week, it was taken over by Arora Family Trust - the parent company of Wycombe Air Park (and Airways Flying Club) operator, Airways Aero Associations Ltd.
I believe the plan will be for WAC to look after commercial training and AFC to do the PPL/hire side of things.
Press release:
Changes in the air at Wycombe Air Park
More good news in these austere times. The previously family-owned FTO called Wycombe Air Centre (WAC), which has latterly been part of the Cabair group, has been rescued by Surinder Arora, whose Family Trust is owner of the airfield operator, Airways Aero Associations (AAA).
The combination of Wycombe Air Centre’s commercial flight training programmes with AAA’s 63 years old Airways Flying Club private flying and training activities will create a formidable force to be reckoned with. The engineering expertise of the two companies will remain in place, delivering services for Cessna, Piper, Beechcraft, de Havilland and Tecnam.
The acquisition of Wycombe Air Centre with its access to the experience and aircraft fleet of AAA, will hopefully allow an increase in commercial pilot training at the airfield. The Airways Flying Club’s well known rallies, outings and social activities will now also have a larger clientele.
A new company name will soon appear on people’s lips, too. Booker Aircraft Operations Limited will be the umbrella under which the various flying disciplines, the aircraft operations and the engineering will be run. Fortunately, for both Club members and commercial customers, links with such long histories will not disappear as the names of Wycombe Air Centre and Airways Flying Club will not change.
AAA reports that it is business as usual with all other Wycombe Air Park activities with both Air Traffic Control and Rescue & Fire-fighting facilities in particular remaining in place.