CABAIR - General discussion for those involved.
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I also hear that Wycombe Air Centre is putting together a package for those that need them after a load of students went in yesterday asking the "where do I go from here" question
Give flying schools a call and go to the one that gives you the best response to your plight!
Good luck to all of you affected - you have the sympathy from so many people
Give flying schools a call and go to the one that gives you the best response to your plight!
Good luck to all of you affected - you have the sympathy from so many people
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Atlantic Flight Training at Coventry are good. They fly G1000 DA40s and 42s plus it's in the vicinity of Daventry so the if there are any students doing their IR it will be familiar territory for airways stuff.
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@jmparis. There is someone at AFT by the name of Ghassan you can reach him on [email protected]. He should be able to help out with any questions you have with regards to transfers.
Hope it goes well for you!
Hope it goes well for you!
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I also hear that Wycombe Air Centre is putting together a package for those that need them after a load of students went in yesterday asking the "where do I go from here" question
Give flying schools a call and go to the one that gives you the best response to your plight!
Good luck to all of you affected - you have the sympathy from so many people
Give flying schools a call and go to the one that gives you the best response to your plight!
Good luck to all of you affected - you have the sympathy from so many people
Although lots of companies will express their sympathy and offer to "take on" the victims of the CABAIR disaster, it is probably the case that most of these offers are driven by the self-interest of the companies rather than anything more altruistic.
All of the FTO’s are likely to be struggling to find business at the moment and some will be struggling to remain afloat. CABAIR will not be the last one to fail. Students looking for a new FTO should take great care not to get bitten again.
It is also worth remembering that EPTA was owned and managed by WAC when it went down.
All of the FTO’s are likely to be struggling to find business at the moment and some will be struggling to remain afloat. CABAIR will not be the last one to fail. Students looking for a new FTO should take great care not to get bitten again.
It is also worth remembering that EPTA was owned and managed by WAC when it went down.
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Hi guys,
Just want to clear up some stuff!
Firstly those effected by EPTA and Wycombe including those university students from Kingston and New Bucks have a very different situation from those at Cranfield.
EPTA and Wycombe students will be looking for modular training as the majority, if not all were modular.
Kingston University changed their ground school over to BCFT at Bournemouth and I believe that all the students from Kingston Have been looked after in some shape or form including myself.
New Bucks have a simular plan in place, except that I beleive that they are sending their current intake of students to BCFT and the next intake of students to Oxford....This is what I have heard, so not 100% although Oxford websites indicates that it will be doing so.
Non University students and some of the University student have taken things into their own hands and gone to other schools.
In my post above, I was trying to help the current student crisis, not the first as Cabair has gone in twice now in recent months. These guys and girls were based at Cranfield on the integrated course, so there options are not so straight forward.
I have heard over the grape vine that Atlantic Flight Training in Coventry has got approval from the CAA to take any integrated students with emediate effect, however, please make sure that you double check this information as I am not a student consultant...lol Just trying to help students that got stiched up like me.....
Has any other school done something like this?
Bear in mind that any school taking you on from Cabair will not do it for free, however, there are lots of students looking for a new school and it would be wise for you guys to get together and try get some sort of plan in place to approach schools.
You might be able to set some ground rules in place including non payment up front and get a discount if a group of you join the same school? Just a thought.
Just want to clear up some stuff!
Firstly those effected by EPTA and Wycombe including those university students from Kingston and New Bucks have a very different situation from those at Cranfield.
EPTA and Wycombe students will be looking for modular training as the majority, if not all were modular.
Kingston University changed their ground school over to BCFT at Bournemouth and I believe that all the students from Kingston Have been looked after in some shape or form including myself.
New Bucks have a simular plan in place, except that I beleive that they are sending their current intake of students to BCFT and the next intake of students to Oxford....This is what I have heard, so not 100% although Oxford websites indicates that it will be doing so.
Non University students and some of the University student have taken things into their own hands and gone to other schools.
In my post above, I was trying to help the current student crisis, not the first as Cabair has gone in twice now in recent months. These guys and girls were based at Cranfield on the integrated course, so there options are not so straight forward.
I have heard over the grape vine that Atlantic Flight Training in Coventry has got approval from the CAA to take any integrated students with emediate effect, however, please make sure that you double check this information as I am not a student consultant...lol Just trying to help students that got stiched up like me.....
Has any other school done something like this?
Bear in mind that any school taking you on from Cabair will not do it for free, however, there are lots of students looking for a new school and it would be wise for you guys to get together and try get some sort of plan in place to approach schools.
You might be able to set some ground rules in place including non payment up front and get a discount if a group of you join the same school? Just a thought.
EPTA and Wycombe were operating under a single company approval - and Wycombe is now nothing whatsoever to do with Cabair. WAC went into insolvency because of the internal debts forced on them by Cabair, then were bought out by Arora Family Trust - the owner of Airways Aero Association (the other fixed wing school at Booker, and also the tenants for Wycombe Air Park).
Airways and WAC are now being merged under a new "Booker" brand, with the old Airways club concentrating on PPL flying, and the old WAC concentrating on modular/IR and and university (Brunel and Bucks) contracts. So far as I know, WAC's approvals to deliver modular and IR training remain intact.
Sorry, I don't know what has happened to the EPTA students at Hurn. I'd certainly recommend that any "stranded" EPTA students talk direct to WAC who seem to be doing their level best to protect anybody under their umbrella, as well as wisely distancing themselves as far as possible from what little is left of Cabair.
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Airways and WAC are now being merged under a new "Booker" brand, with the old Airways club concentrating on PPL flying, and the old WAC concentrating on modular/IR and and university (Brunel and Bucks) contracts. So far as I know, WAC's approvals to deliver modular and IR training remain intact.
Sorry, I don't know what has happened to the EPTA students at Hurn. I'd certainly recommend that any "stranded" EPTA students talk direct to WAC who seem to be doing their level best to protect anybody under their umbrella, as well as wisely distancing themselves as far as possible from what little is left of Cabair.
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On the Flyer forum pages there is an interesting (allegedly from) CAA statement. If true, it is the first such statement seen from them.
I understand that 3 a/c were put on a chain last wednesday at Hurn,
after having been ferried there for 'maintenance'. Most of their a/c
were leased from there!!!!!
Apparently the Cranfield refuelling people and Cranfield University are not being owed loads of money.
After September CCAT had 24 students on their books, of whom 4 passed their IR and MCC in the meantime. Many of the remainder were 'crying' in their coffees in the Cafe P. yesterday morning.
I feel sorry for these guys and also for the staff for having to go through this again. My symphaties to all!!!!!
I understand that 3 a/c were put on a chain last wednesday at Hurn,
after having been ferried there for 'maintenance'. Most of their a/c
were leased from there!!!!!
Apparently the Cranfield refuelling people and Cranfield University are not being owed loads of money.
After September CCAT had 24 students on their books, of whom 4 passed their IR and MCC in the meantime. Many of the remainder were 'crying' in their coffees in the Cafe P. yesterday morning.
I feel sorry for these guys and also for the staff for having to go through this again. My symphaties to all!!!!!
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Don't be daft and if you have paid 200 quid for it you can kiss that goodbye as well.
I hope someone from Cabair has actually emailed the folk that have booked on it so nobody wastes travel money getting there.
I hope someone from Cabair has actually emailed the folk that have booked on it so nobody wastes travel money getting there.
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Flyer link to CAA statament saying they have closed :
FLYER Airportal - General Aviation News
Sad news particuarly for all those students who paid an extra 15k.
Or the slim possibility that someone has their wires crossed because I though Cabair International was the old FTO name which all ready went bust?
FLYER Airportal - General Aviation News
Sad news particuarly for all those students who paid an extra 15k.
Or the slim possibility that someone has their wires crossed because I though Cabair International was the old FTO name which all ready went bust?
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The company has gone bust. Its gone, insolvent. The woman you spoke to last week is now unemployed. There won't be anyone to answer the phone.
If you payed by credit card you can claim your cash back through that, but if you payed by debt card your money is gone.
If you payed by credit card you can claim your cash back through that, but if you payed by debt card your money is gone.
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lgordon1992 they were bust at the back end of last week so the chances of an assessment I'd say are zero (I mean there is nothing to be assessed for as the establishment is no more) and the odds of getting back your £200 are also somewhere between none and no chance.
Whilst I can appreciate this is annoying you should spare a thought for some of the guys who will be out of pocket in the 10s of thousands of pounds!
You've dodged a bullet!
Whilst I can appreciate this is annoying you should spare a thought for some of the guys who will be out of pocket in the 10s of thousands of pounds!
You've dodged a bullet!
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CABAIR.....(Feb 2012)
Well.....
I am (was) a student enrolled on Cabair's integrated ATPL course.
I would like to thank all 'wannabes', all 'keyboard warriors', all 'part-time pilots', all 'middle-aged crisis suffering dead end job GA pilots in inverted commas with delusions of being a real pilot pilot', all competitors, all PPL's with no hope of EVER moving forwad. ...but....... most of......I'd like to thank all PPRUNE contributors to the old 'Cabair' thread........
Cabair was in trouble, everybody knew it, it wasnt a secret. We live in an age where everyone in the world has a platform to air their minute to minute thoughts....and by god, it looks like we're all using it.....(".....I'm eating a sanwich. LOL".......).
I (rightly or wrongly) started my integrated ATPL course by paying Cabair the WHOLE balance of the cost of the course (£64,000). My rationale was "I dont want anything distracting me from my studying/flying"......
In September ('11) Cabair hit some problems and we were all stood down, for what panned out to be four months.
We were then all asked to pay a 'Top-Up Fee' to keep the company going and to continue our training. Fair enough, thats business and but atleast here was a way forward......
......Enter the 'Keyboard Pilots'......
......the sad middle-aged, middle management, mediocre in every way, GA but wish they were 20 years younger to do a CPL bastards who then proceeded to RAPE the Cabair brand.....
Cabair was badly managed, badly organised and badly delivered, with a deteriorating reputation; but it was still a CAA Accredited school for an Integrated Course trying to make the best of a bad situation.
What Cabair didnt need at this point was 'armchair pilots' chipping in after hearing half of a conversation through their mates and then regurgitating it on this very website and, in turn, making any potential students look elsewhere.
It carried on from there. The damage to the brand to the brand was done. No matter what Cabair's instructors, management, marketing, operations did, they were at the mercy of 'armchair pilots'.
This website (PPRUNE) knew about the predicament of Cabair, its staff, and most importantly its students. Cabair's CEO at the time emailed the Moderator to ask to stop the negative threads as it was damaging the brand and putting current students future in jeopardy..........PPRUNE decided to publish this email.......classy move.
Cabair was far from perfect. Infact, speaking from a students POV, it was bloody awful, but I cant help but to think its demise was accelerated because of 'contributers' to this forum damaging the brand name.
I am £70,000 down. I have no come-back. I dont even have a PPL after 90 hours (integrated courses dont do individual licenses). I am faced with the cold, hard fact that I have lost all of my money, and I have to I cough up atleast another £30,000 to get my license.
This is a life-changing amount of money. People's careers/livlehoods have been dashed. What you post on this forum has a massive knock-on effect to people's lives. So the next time you think about regurgitating a rumour you may have heard 'down the flying club'....peoples lives, mortgages, and future may be at stake.
Cheers PPRUNE.
PS. I will not be monitoring or looking at any responses to this post. I have joined the forum to post this......
I am (was) a student enrolled on Cabair's integrated ATPL course.
I would like to thank all 'wannabes', all 'keyboard warriors', all 'part-time pilots', all 'middle-aged crisis suffering dead end job GA pilots in inverted commas with delusions of being a real pilot pilot', all competitors, all PPL's with no hope of EVER moving forwad. ...but....... most of......I'd like to thank all PPRUNE contributors to the old 'Cabair' thread........
Cabair was in trouble, everybody knew it, it wasnt a secret. We live in an age where everyone in the world has a platform to air their minute to minute thoughts....and by god, it looks like we're all using it.....(".....I'm eating a sanwich. LOL".......).
I (rightly or wrongly) started my integrated ATPL course by paying Cabair the WHOLE balance of the cost of the course (£64,000). My rationale was "I dont want anything distracting me from my studying/flying"......
In September ('11) Cabair hit some problems and we were all stood down, for what panned out to be four months.
We were then all asked to pay a 'Top-Up Fee' to keep the company going and to continue our training. Fair enough, thats business and but atleast here was a way forward......
......Enter the 'Keyboard Pilots'......
......the sad middle-aged, middle management, mediocre in every way, GA but wish they were 20 years younger to do a CPL bastards who then proceeded to RAPE the Cabair brand.....
Cabair was badly managed, badly organised and badly delivered, with a deteriorating reputation; but it was still a CAA Accredited school for an Integrated Course trying to make the best of a bad situation.
What Cabair didnt need at this point was 'armchair pilots' chipping in after hearing half of a conversation through their mates and then regurgitating it on this very website and, in turn, making any potential students look elsewhere.
It carried on from there. The damage to the brand to the brand was done. No matter what Cabair's instructors, management, marketing, operations did, they were at the mercy of 'armchair pilots'.
This website (PPRUNE) knew about the predicament of Cabair, its staff, and most importantly its students. Cabair's CEO at the time emailed the Moderator to ask to stop the negative threads as it was damaging the brand and putting current students future in jeopardy..........PPRUNE decided to publish this email.......classy move.
Cabair was far from perfect. Infact, speaking from a students POV, it was bloody awful, but I cant help but to think its demise was accelerated because of 'contributers' to this forum damaging the brand name.
I am £70,000 down. I have no come-back. I dont even have a PPL after 90 hours (integrated courses dont do individual licenses). I am faced with the cold, hard fact that I have lost all of my money, and I have to I cough up atleast another £30,000 to get my license.
This is a life-changing amount of money. People's careers/livlehoods have been dashed. What you post on this forum has a massive knock-on effect to people's lives. So the next time you think about regurgitating a rumour you may have heard 'down the flying club'....peoples lives, mortgages, and future may be at stake.
Cheers PPRUNE.
PS. I will not be monitoring or looking at any responses to this post. I have joined the forum to post this......
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lgordon1992 may actually be a genuinely conned moron who has fallen for the 'love is in the air' advertising campaign. A quick search of him on google shows he likes to trade in 'online fantasy' games - the ones you play by yourself in your bedroom for hours on end, did I mention by yourself for hours on end, so the attraction of becoming an 'eligible bachelor' distorted his brain and he forgot how to use google.
If only HE put ‘cabair’ into this wonderful search engine.
If only HE put ‘cabair’ into this wonderful search engine.
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I know the school I go to has already took on a few students from Cabair today who were left stuck, I won't post the details as it would go against advertising rules but happy to pass on by PM.