CABAIR - General discussion for those involved.
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Administrators can continue running a business while they look for a buyer for the business as a going concern.
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Is cabair running?
Definitly no. I have been in front the door and I haven't seen any car parked on cabair. No people in the bulding at 11:30 am, so I suspect cabair is definitely close or in an invest period with any student/teacher.
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Cranfield has indeed received approvals as of yesterday for residential ground and modular flying as Cabair International.
The old management (S.R.) have nothing to do with the ongoing concern. The investor group and the staff are committed to doing right by their students, despite the doom and gloom one reads here.
The old management (S.R.) have nothing to do with the ongoing concern. The investor group and the staff are committed to doing right by their students, despite the doom and gloom one reads here.
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The Instructor staff have always been committed with an excellent sense of customer care & commitment to the students, it is sad that the past “management” could never live up to the example they, the instructors, set. If the new management team want to make an unrivalled success they need to consult with their instructor team and be highly visibly with their customers being seen a the solid support behind their team. Furthermore I would suggest that the “Cabair” brand name is now too toxic, so as soon as practicable there should be a name change. A mission statement that is committed to at all levels and seen to be done, not just given lip service to, must be the key objective from the outset.
I would like to live in hope that the recent cathartic events could lead to new energy being breathed back in to the patient so it recovers more resilient and successful to become a market leader. Delivery beyond market and client expectations should be the daily goal of everyone, not just for those at the coal face. Bona fortuna
I would like to live in hope that the recent cathartic events could lead to new energy being breathed back in to the patient so it recovers more resilient and successful to become a market leader. Delivery beyond market and client expectations should be the daily goal of everyone, not just for those at the coal face. Bona fortuna
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From: Kitty Hawk
thank you hashdef - your post is accurate and welcome.
secret agent man - again you are in possession of the facts.
dofi27 - you are wrong.
thank you to all those in this thread and the other large one who wished the students well.
i'd wish this thread closed now - more negative and clearly speculative posting from those not in the know isn't going to help anyone. integrated cranfield students are returning to flight school beginning monday morning.
end of story.
secret agent man - again you are in possession of the facts.
dofi27 - you are wrong.
thank you to all those in this thread and the other large one who wished the students well.
i'd wish this thread closed now - more negative and clearly speculative posting from those not in the know isn't going to help anyone. integrated cranfield students are returning to flight school beginning monday morning.
end of story.
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So when you add what integrated students paid to the old company and what they now have to pay to the new company, exactly how much will the total be for someone to complete a " Cabair " course or is that top secret and unhelpful speculation.
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From: Kitty Hawk
G-RICH I think the opposite. The guys at Cabair are very busy right now!
...and so you know, there is no new owner. They didn't bolt out of the stable with a pot of cash, leaving all of Cabair to die. It's a lot more complicated than that. The existing investors have injected more money and their track record and the management's effort in taking care of the student liability in all this speaks volumes for their 'track record'.
The number for Cabair is available on their website. If a prospective student has the intelligence I'm sure they'll find their way there and in doing so be mindful of the BS they may hear, but also the rumours they read here!
Ask questions of the horse and get answers from the horses mouth.
...and so you know, there is no new owner. They didn't bolt out of the stable with a pot of cash, leaving all of Cabair to die. It's a lot more complicated than that. The existing investors have injected more money and their track record and the management's effort in taking care of the student liability in all this speaks volumes for their 'track record'.
The number for Cabair is available on their website. If a prospective student has the intelligence I'm sure they'll find their way there and in doing so be mindful of the BS they may hear, but also the rumours they read here!
Ask questions of the horse and get answers from the horses mouth.
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From: down south
G-RICH,
If you care to PM me I will give you my personal telephone number.
Better still, PM your personal e-mail address and I will respond with my private e-mail address.
I am a CABAIR staff member (ATPL instructor).
I cannot be more fair than that.
If you care to PM me I will give you my personal telephone number.
Better still, PM your personal e-mail address and I will respond with my private e-mail address.
I am a CABAIR staff member (ATPL instructor).
I cannot be more fair than that.
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From: Luton
Hi all have been following your posts on the situation at Cabair....has anyone got any further info as to whether or not it would be a safe investment, I am considering it as one of my training providers as it does seem to have a good reputation in regards to quality of training and equipment used and also its very close to where I live which is massively convenient. Many thanks 
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I would say it is still a possibility to go there but you would have to be stark raving mad to pay for any training up front just like all the other schools.
Also as well there are going to be quite a few schools go tits up when the new regulations come in so it would be a prudent student who waits a bit and see's what the out come is.
But saying that the cost of flying training is likely to increase when they do come in.
Also as well there are going to be quite a few schools go tits up when the new regulations come in so it would be a prudent student who waits a bit and see's what the out come is.
But saying that the cost of flying training is likely to increase when they do come in.
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Cabair Bournemouth
Does anybody here have any up-to-date information about the future of Cabair at Bournemouth? I've made numerous phone calls to Cabair at both Bournemouth and Cranfield but never with any success.
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There are changes to both the maintenance and the way schools are run. There will be alot more inspections and red tape bollocks such as auditing and qa and the like which is never free.
They have already sent out invoices to all schools out the blue with the option of pay up or stop training.
They have already sent out invoices to all schools out the blue with the option of pay up or stop training.
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I did my CPL with Bonus, next door to Cabair, at Cranfield.
I have some issues with them, which I'll not air here. However, they never asked for a penny for anything up front (indeed, sometimes the time it took them to ask for money was mildly embarrassing). And they're still in business. And I passed first time. Those three things would seem significant to the likes of James Darlington.
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I have some issues with them, which I'll not air here. However, they never asked for a penny for anything up front (indeed, sometimes the time it took them to ask for money was mildly embarrassing). And they're still in business. And I passed first time. Those three things would seem significant to the likes of James Darlington.
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I have got through on the phone to both Bournemouth and Cranfield but nobody has been able to give me any up-to-date information. I have a suspicion that I have already met Lightning Mate in person but I will not disclose his true identity. As far as I know the staff at Bournemouth are still there but at this moment in time they are unable to continue training. I can only say positive things about the quality of instructing I have received so far. Hopefully Cranfield will sort things out soon.
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From: London
@ James
you have quality modular training providers on your doorstep in Denham, Cranfield, Stapleford and more ...
and in Luton itself for the ATPL theory
spread the risk lower the cost and keep the day job
you have quality modular training providers on your doorstep in Denham, Cranfield, Stapleford and more ...
and in Luton itself for the ATPL theory
spread the risk lower the cost and keep the day job