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Mad Jock is right and anyway why shouldn't prospective students know what has gone on before. Its your company history Andy! If ALL students and staff had been reimbursed then that may be different - but they haven't. Some students are out of pocket and so are some freelance staff.
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A student would have to be barking mad to pay them anything upfront.
I personally don't think they will survive in the current format if the folk in the old Cabair that used to make the commercial decisions still have any input at all.
Its the same with failing airlines the real issue is with the mangement set not the workers on the shop floor however much the finger gets pointed at them.
When it comes to getting shot of that managment or getting real changes that will pick the company up you will hit a brick wall because the incompetent managment would prefer the buisness to fail than someone else make a success of it.
I sure the front line instructors both ground and flight could be used in a successful school. But not one called Cabair or being run by the same managment team.
I personally don't think they will survive in the current format if the folk in the old Cabair that used to make the commercial decisions still have any input at all.
Its the same with failing airlines the real issue is with the mangement set not the workers on the shop floor however much the finger gets pointed at them.
When it comes to getting shot of that managment or getting real changes that will pick the company up you will hit a brick wall because the incompetent managment would prefer the buisness to fail than someone else make a success of it.
I sure the front line instructors both ground and flight could be used in a successful school. But not one called Cabair or being run by the same managment team.
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Hi there,
As you may already know, EPTA is no longer running in any shape or form. I really miss this school as the staff where amazing! The EPTA building is now occupied by a engineering company. Most, if not all the staff have found positions at other companies.
As for Cabair at Cranfield, they must be crazy to continue with the Cabair name. Cabair did allot of damage to so many companies, staff and students. Did they think we would just forget and put our hands back into our pockets! Funny because when I called them to talk about getting some help with finishing my IR training, they asked me for more money upfront and did not offer any help to complete my course. I told them to go jump if they thought that I would give them any more money up front as they still owed me money at the time.
The website states that they saved students, but does not mention that they required additional funds from each student upfront again to save them! More subtle deceit!
As for Mr A Cruise, before EPTA went in, he could have given me a refund, but would not respond to my letter, emails or phone calls....No surprise there then! Why should Pprune listen to him, he ignored everyone else!
As for the bad publicity....you get what you deserve and Cabair deserves all the bad press it can get.
I do not have any sympathy and on a slightly other note, I know one student desperately trying to finish his IR as he thinks that Cabair may go in again. I would not give them any money at all, do yourself a favour, if you want to do an integrated course, contact CTC of Oxford, not two companies that I have been with, but companies that seem to be around for the long run, plus BAA seems to like them!
As you may already know, EPTA is no longer running in any shape or form. I really miss this school as the staff where amazing! The EPTA building is now occupied by a engineering company. Most, if not all the staff have found positions at other companies.
As for Cabair at Cranfield, they must be crazy to continue with the Cabair name. Cabair did allot of damage to so many companies, staff and students. Did they think we would just forget and put our hands back into our pockets! Funny because when I called them to talk about getting some help with finishing my IR training, they asked me for more money upfront and did not offer any help to complete my course. I told them to go jump if they thought that I would give them any more money up front as they still owed me money at the time.
The website states that they saved students, but does not mention that they required additional funds from each student upfront again to save them! More subtle deceit!
As for Mr A Cruise, before EPTA went in, he could have given me a refund, but would not respond to my letter, emails or phone calls....No surprise there then! Why should Pprune listen to him, he ignored everyone else!
As for the bad publicity....you get what you deserve and Cabair deserves all the bad press it can get.
I do not have any sympathy and on a slightly other note, I know one student desperately trying to finish his IR as he thinks that Cabair may go in again. I would not give them any money at all, do yourself a favour, if you want to do an integrated course, contact CTC of Oxford, not two companies that I have been with, but companies that seem to be around for the long run, plus BAA seems to like them!
A few days ago I received a mail from someone who was considering enrolling on the Cabair integrated course.
I gave him my very considered views, since I am an ex-EPTA/CABAIR tutor. This was his reply to me...........
Go on then punters - stick your money with this outfit!!!!
I gave him my very considered views, since I am an ex-EPTA/CABAIR tutor. This was his reply to me...........
Thanks - a few things I've found out in case you're interested
For the course I'm looking for (CPL through to fATPL) they have quoted £34000 which is paid in 2 halves up front then later on. That alone has got my alarm bells ringing as I want to pay by card in £3000 chunks.
It's as much sim time as the regs allow and all the quotes were the minimum possible hour etc so not realistic.
One of the guys from the selection day at Man has an unusual name so with the aid of google it turns out he was the MD with a bathroom company until very recently and suddenly claims to have been a pilot so doesn't ring true. He's in pics at the industry awards for that trade that my old company used to go to so it is the right guy.
He also appeared at the top of the search on a site where women post details of cheating men. Lo and behold more pics of the guy and some of the women say he claims to have been X, Y, Z and a pilot but one woman outed him as 'he just works for a pilot training college'......
Something major doesn't add up so my cash will be going to a different school vouched for by word of mouth from 3 separate people that's local to me in the NW.
Thanks for your reply - just hope other people don't get suckered in.
For the course I'm looking for (CPL through to fATPL) they have quoted £34000 which is paid in 2 halves up front then later on. That alone has got my alarm bells ringing as I want to pay by card in £3000 chunks.
It's as much sim time as the regs allow and all the quotes were the minimum possible hour etc so not realistic.
One of the guys from the selection day at Man has an unusual name so with the aid of google it turns out he was the MD with a bathroom company until very recently and suddenly claims to have been a pilot so doesn't ring true. He's in pics at the industry awards for that trade that my old company used to go to so it is the right guy.
He also appeared at the top of the search on a site where women post details of cheating men. Lo and behold more pics of the guy and some of the women say he claims to have been X, Y, Z and a pilot but one woman outed him as 'he just works for a pilot training college'......
Something major doesn't add up so my cash will be going to a different school vouched for by word of mouth from 3 separate people that's local to me in the NW.
Thanks for your reply - just hope other people don't get suckered in.
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Bad times, I just heard that Cabair International Ltd has gone in again!
I send my condolences to all the poor students who have lost money.
I hope that your fortunes turn in the near future.
I send my condolences to all the poor students who have lost money.
I hope that your fortunes turn in the near future.
Thanks mate - it is now time that the world knew the facts before anyone else gets their chequebook(s) ready...................
btw - I am not in the lighting profession!
sent you a private message lightingmate
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http://www.pprune.org/flying-instruc...-comments.html
BTW my alarm bells are ring like hell with them as well.
I can see it going down to OAT and CTC. In the next couple of years.
With oxford trying to go more into MPL contracts.
CTC seem to be having quality issues with the product. But the bean counters at the airlines will still go for that style of product if not just for the revenue it generates.
BTW my alarm bells are ring like hell with them as well.
I can see it going down to OAT and CTC. In the next couple of years.
With oxford trying to go more into MPL contracts.
CTC seem to be having quality issues with the product. But the bean counters at the airlines will still go for that style of product if not just for the revenue it generates.
I can see it going down to OAT and CTC. In the next couple of years.
But the bean counters at the airlines will still go for that style of product
I will not discuss.
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There might be but I think there isn't enough money out there to support 3.
And definately not enough for 4.
The
and marketing is becoming transparent and the customers are becoming more informed.
Unless the airlines are willing to invest in the intergrated product they are screwed. (and thats all of them)
And definately not enough for 4.
The
and marketing is becoming transparent and the customers are becoming more informed.Unless the airlines are willing to invest in the intergrated product they are screwed. (and thats all of them)
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I give them three months on the outside before they go belly up again, with the senior management wide eyed that they have found a new bunch of mugs willing to fund their Caribbean idyll.
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The next question is how can the powers that be let you potential pilots get raped for over 50k a pop.
Should there not be an IATA type steup for all training orginisation. Escrow accounts as standard or pay the day you fly.
The training industry has a cancer but nobody cares as long as its some poor mug that looses thier familys life savings.
Should there not be an IATA type steup for all training orginisation. Escrow accounts as standard or pay the day you fly.
The training industry has a cancer but nobody cares as long as its some poor mug that looses thier familys life savings.